IAF plans to get old defunct aircraft to run its fleet

[Windjammer]

Don't take him seriously. It's the same rubbish story he had been taking here since ages. When asked to provide any source here shamelessly chickens away.

Pot calling kettle black....what proof have you Indians provided with your pathetic claims of Foxbat over Islamabad....Fulcrum buzzing Falcon and off course, the laughing stock....the so called surgical circus

The f22 or f 35 have no combat kill till date so I suppose they are shit compared to jf 17.

Well the crap is lodged in your upper crust hence you can't think logically, here's a basic example for you, regardless of which model of Merc or Beamer you go for, you seldom worry about reliability however when purchasing an ambassador or Maurti, you will think twice....you need to keep in mind, from which manufacturing house have the F-22 or the F-35 come out from....i have yet to hear of any Russian jet making a reputation for it's self....the likes of F-86s, Mirage-3, F-16, F-15 ....they have all delivered in their period.

 

[Chhatrapati]

Pot calling kettle black....what proof have you Indians provided with your pathetic claims of Foxbat over Islamabad....Fulcrum buzzing Falcon and off course, the laughing stock....the so called surgical circus

You expect us to share our MO with you?

Well the crap is lodged in your upper crust hence you can't think logically, here's a basic example for you, regardless of which model of Merc or Beamer you go for, you seldom worry about reliability however when purchasing an ambassador or Maurti, you will think twice....you need to keep in mind, from which manufacturing house have the F-22 or the F-35 come out from....i have yet to hear of any Russian jet making a reputation for it's self....the likes of F-86s, Mirage-3, F-16, F-15 ....they have all delivered in their period.

Lol! Windy theories. What do you think of MiG-21? Irrelevant Bull crap? Or what do you make of most Chiense jets which are more or less based on Soviet/Russian jets. And how do you rate you Jf-17 running on Russian engines?

 

[deep_blue]

The recent hostilities between the two countries aren't just confined to cross border firing... much is also happening in the air.

And nothing is public.right?

Pakistanis make up all sorts of fantasy story's

Surgical strike never happened
Kargil was not army but freedom fighters
Obl was not in Pakistan

Thunders locked onto mki and they ran.

Next year when rafales arrive it will thunder chased off rafales.

Show me the proof first

In my book one mki is better than three thunders so I don't believe your account windjammer .

Hence your air force deperation to acquire a J11 or J16 or Russian flanker

A post of mine has just been deleted so I will keep the things simple here...

Can you provide a proof of your so called sir g kal strikes???
Sorry but I won't accept a bolly wood scripted post or a bollywood movie clip ...the only proof you people have.

 

[Centurion2016]

Chinease refusal to induct their own jf17 which they design and build for your benefit tells us everything

The will rather induct more flankers and J10 for next decade than the miighty thunder .

That tells us me even more than the budget cost of 20million a plane

Back to the topic

I think India should scrap everything and just add rafales and tejss in hundreds to work with mki fleet

 

[assassin123]

Pot calling kettle black....what proof have you Indians provided with your pathetic claims of Foxbat over Islamabad....Fulcrum buzzing Falcon and off course, the laughing stock....the so called surgical circus


Well the crap is lodged in your upper crust hence you can't think logically, here's a basic example for you, regardless of which model of Merc or Beamer you go for, you seldom worry about reliability however when purchasing an ambassador or Maurti, you will think twice....you need to keep in mind, from which manufacturing house have the F-22 or the F-35 come out from....i have yet to hear of any Russian jet making a reputation for it's self....the likes of F-86s, Mirage-3, F-16, F-15 ....they have all delivered in their period.

As I expected you cannot even provide any proof for all you crap bs rather you choose to provide excuses.so typical of you
And now You are comparing cars to fighter jets.Lol at your logic.
Ok let me try put some sense into you just because the Russian jets did not see any combat it doesn't mean that they are not good for any thing. An su 35 will put up a good fight even with an f 22. Fighter jets are meant to shot the other aircraft down by employing the best of the technology their is.just because the US had LM jets in their arsenal and we're always engaged with some other country and had combat kills it's idiotic logic to say that fighter jets made by Russians are worthless.
Then I guess the Chinese jets which have not even dropped a single bomb in combat are absolutely worthless too.

 

[Centurion2016]

As I expected you cannot even provide any proof for all

Then I guess the Chinese jets which have not even dropped a single bomb in combat are absolutely worthless too.

How dare you

THUNDER is equal to 80% of the 0ld F16 BLOCK A/B

 

[ohmrlobalobayeh]

IAF plans to get old defunct aircraft from France to run its fleet

Kalyan Ray, New Delhi, DH News Service, Sep 27 2017, 18:19 IST

36 Jaguar fighter aircraft to provide spares for six squadrons

There are 117 Jaguar aircraft (as on October 2016) with the IAF that flies six squadrons with these jets. DH file photo

Indian Air Force wants to procure 36 grounded Jaguar fighter aircraft from France to run its six squadrons of Jaguar deep penetration bombers that are in dire need of spares for operational readiness.

The fighter planes inducted nearly four decades ago, remain one of India's mainstay for air attacks. Even though these platforms are being upgraded, unavailability of spares remained a critical challenge in the absence of an assembly line for the aircraft.

The IAF is now looking at France for a solution with Paris offering to sell its 36 grounded Jaguar aircraft at a nominal price. These aircraft could be cannibalised – extraction of spares in aviation parlance – to run the Indian squadrons for several years.

There are 117 Jaguar aircraft (as on October 2016) with the IAF that flies six squadrons with these jets. In the last five years, the government has sanctioned multiple upgrade projects for these aircraft to give them more teeth during combat.

The top brass in the IAF and defence ministry are in the process of calculating the transport cost associated with bringing these defunct aircraft back in India, sources told DH. The final decision would be taken only with a positive cost-benefit analysis.

India is the only country that still flies Jaguars. Its two original users – Royal Air Force and French Air Force – replaced their Jaguars with Eurofighter Typhoon and Rafale respectively.

The upgrade programme for Jaguars includes installing a new navigational-attack system DARIN-3 (Display Attack Ranging Inertial Navigation-III) in the old aircraft. It is supposed to transform the ancient war jet into a modern fighting machine with a head-up display, all-glass cockpit, advanced avionics, auto-pilot and new weapon systems.

The modernisation programme of Jaguars is several years behind the original schedule. Hindustan Aeronautics Limited in July 2017 described the completion of the Darin-3 upgrades as one of its targets and the IAF is unlikely to receive the entire fleet of modernised Jaguars by 2019.

The Defence Acquisition Council approved the purchase of flight simulators for Jaguar fighter jets only in July 2016.

http://www.deccanherald.com/content/635233/iaf-plans-get-old-defunct.html

lol instead of upgrading, India is downgrading.

Exceptionalist India.

 

[Windjammer]

As I expected you cannot even provide any proof for all you crap bs rather you choose to provide excuses.so typical of you
And now You are comparing cars to fighter jets.Lol at your logic.
Ok let me try put some sense into you just because the Russian jets did not see any combat it doesn't mean that they are not good for any thing. An su 35 will put up a good fight even with an f 22. Fighter jets are meant to shot the other aircraft down by employing the best of the technology their is.just because the US had LM jets in their arsenal and we're always engaged with some other country and had combat kills it's idiotic logic to say that fighter jets made by Russians are worthless.
Then I guess the Chinese jets which have not even dropped a single bomb in combat are absolutely worthless too.

Oh we have moral mule on the lose....as i said it's you characters who wash the soap before hands, giving false awards to pilots for claiming to lock on some target.....PAF is a professional force, it seldom discloses what weapon system it's fielding in an exercise, much less about the results....even PAF F-16s taking out the Typhoons in AE was disclosed by a third party, even when during Kargil conflict, PAF never made it public how a couple of F-16s trailed a flight of five MiG-29s for about 20 minutes with Fulcrums completely oblivious of Falcon's presence until warned by the Indian GCI...causing a panic with MiG-29s almost crashing into each other....now compare the IAF, whose commander went on national tv gloating about Typhoon kills only to be humiliated by the RAF thus forced to retract the claims. Those with some knowledge will enlighten you that instead of the F-16s, it's the JF-17 which now patrols along the Indian border..... and your stupidity is evident and complete by claiming that Russian jets haven't seen any combat ....or you that dumb....surely it wasn't Indian made fighters which fought against Americans in the Korean or Vietnam wars....or later in the Arab Israeli conflicts....what about India/ Pakistan or Iran/Iraq wars and the latest of all the Desert Storm or the second Gulf war.!!!....
Now go and study some history before being a waste of space.

 

[assassin123]

Oh we have moral mule on the lose....as i said it's you characters who wash the soap before hands, giving false awards to pilots for claiming to lock on some target.....PAF is a professional force, it seldom discloses what weapon system it's fielding in an exercise, much less about the results....even PAF F-16s taking out the Typhoons in AE was disclosed by a third party, even when during Kargil conflict, PAF never made it public how a couple of F-16s trailed a flight of five MiG-29s for about 20 minutes with Fulcrums completely oblivious of Falcon's presence until warned by the Indian GCI...causing a panic with MiG-29s almost crashing into each other....now compare the IAF, whose commander went on national tv gloating about Typhoon kills only to be humiliated by the RAF thus forced to retract the claims. Those with some knowledge will enlighten you that instead of the F-16s, it's the JF-17 which now patrols along the Indian border..... and your stupidity is evident and complete by claiming that Russian jets haven't seen any combat ....or you that dumb....surely it wasn't Indian made fighters which fought against Americans in the Korean or Vietnam wars....or later in the Arab Israeli conflicts....what about India/ Pakistan or Iran/Iraq wars and the latest of all the Desert Storm or the second Gulf war.!!!....
Now go and study some history before being a waste of space.

Well how can you speak for something that PAF never made public in the first place.
Post some proof and enlighten us.lol


did you forgot what you typed in your earlier posts eh?
I was talking about su 30 mki& su 35 not old generation Russian aircraft. While you were claiming jf-17 had shot down an unarmed drone and it must be better than the mki because it hasn't done that.

Also be careful when you try to speak highly of PAF in the kargil war which was hiding under their hangers while your soldiers were getting pounded by IAF day and night unchallenged.

 

[ziaulislam]

Darin 3 upgraded Jags are any day better for strike/bombing role than mirage rose upgraded operated by PAF

You are right but are they better the new built full life left aesa thunders.

The question is not of better its the timing. The timing is too late. The mirages were slanted to retire in 2020 though pushed back due to f16 fiasco it still will be retired by 2025

 

[Alphacharlie]

One Cricket Match Won -- This means you are on Top of the World
People Outhere live is False Bravado....

Not 1 Radar Intercept report has been made Public by pakistan on escorting SU30MKI out of their airspace. India published HUD recording for atlantique

If JF 17 was that Classy A/C WHOLE WORLD WOULD HAVE INDUCTED IN LARGE NUMBERS

Comparing KJ-7 with N011M is a Joke in itself.....
Forget Comparing IRST. N011M Is active and Passive Radar Both.
Peak power output of N011M - 4-5 kW will Burn microchips of all electronic circuits in 30km vicinity and clutter to 50km range


Seeing the Radar KJ-7
KLJ-7 is a multi–function X-band Pulse-Doppler fire control radar

• Frequency: X band
• Operation range (RCS of 5 m2) :
  Up-looking detection range >105KM
  Down-looking detection range >85km
• Management of up to 40 targets
• Numbers of simultaneously tracked targets: 10
• Simultaneously fire on 2 BVR targets
• Weight: <120 kg
• Meantime between failure: 220 hours
• Meantime to recovery: 0.5 hours

N011M
phased array X band radar and an L band IFF
peak power output of 4-5 kW capable of positioning beams in 400 microseconds,
scanning sector of ±70 degrees in azimuth and ±45 degrees
The 28 MHz Ts200 programmable signal processor used in N011M incorporates Fourier transforms of "butterfly" type capable of 75 Million operations per second. The N011M supports digital signal processing using 3 processors with 16 MB of both static and flash MEMORY

 

[Mitro]

Indian are not able to understand the technology is evolving very fast and pakistan is able to modify and upgrade their own fighter is very dangerous with help of china Pakistan can easily upgrade any future upgrades to their JF-17 with blink of a eye and India would have to spend a fortune.

 

[RowdyRathore]

Our upgraded 250 Bisons can take care of JF17 anytime.

 

[SingaporeGuy]

Airframes all have useful life for reason.

For this reason i pity india pilots

 

[NirmalKrish]

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Its better than flying made in China JF-17 junk which does not even have a full functional fly by wire... Jam this!