IAF Pilot Served Tea in PAF Officers Mess !

[Samlee]

Please don't interrupt their victory dance.

It's A Well Deserved Dance

 

[Joe Shearer]

Didn't the Quint article prove that the kidnapped hypothesis was a lie?

It was persuasive, not conclusive.

Apprehending a serving Naval Officer from a belligerent country with falsified identity documents is kidnapping?
Ask anyone that 'person' fits the very definition of the word 'spy' and this is a text book case of counter-espionage

It is, if you impose your personal opinion that he was a serving naval officer rather than a retired one. Unfortunately, that is the direction in which most Pakistanis' arguments go; pick a convenient narrative, express it, and insist, with indignation, that that is the truth. That is the way the narrative goes on 1947-48, on 1965, on 1971, on Siachen, on the Mumbai outrage, on Kargil - those of us who hope against hope that we will get a reasonable person to talk to still hope that this will stop some day, that the fanboys of all ages will mature one day.

We continue to hope.

Undisputed victory tastes sweet.

Even YOU know that Pakistan military humiliated india in latest round of confrontation (mostly thanks to your bombastic media and idiotic hindu nationalist you elected to highest office)

Lets be honest, am I not correct here?

I agree with the bombastic media and the idiotic Hindu nationalist; he was not elected to highest office, that is that of the President, and the man you are referring to was the leader of the coalition that was voted with maximum seats in Parliament.

Finally, I think that there is a strong case for an alternative view, and that this is being swept under the carpet by Pakistani fanboys who desperately need a reason to feel good.

Maybe if you start giving preference to human life over a cow in your country especially in Kashmir and spend some of $55billion towards internal intelligence instead of sending kulbushans on vacations you may not find IEDs along the way

Maybe.

Until that hypothetical state of affairs what I said is what I hold.

It's A Well Deserved Dance

Of course, it must be. You have said so.

Yes, India is the nation of angels. They are doves in this miserable world - listen you are one from the mother of terrorists nation get your cruel face in front of mirror and ask your so called conscience if you have any. Killing your very own people for the lust of 'ISOLATION' of others. Time has changes you have to change your sick mindset.
In every place you consider yourself right. The barbaric killing of Muslims/Sikhs is right? You relentlessly killing people of Kashmir. You sow the seeds of terrorism in E Pakistan/Sri Lanka and you says that it was right?


I did not want to hear your stupidity filled linguistic stories. May be originated from Indian HISHTORY. Rajiv the baby terrorist son of mother terror killed by IED because he was innocent? He was not assassinated, he was detonated as he was responsible of terrorist activities in other nations.


Dare to listen the LIES/WICKEDNESS/CONSPIRACIES is DNA of India. Just see at media and press conferences of your officials, they never feel ashamed of telling lies - that is your real character.
Don't worry about Pakistan - keep some worries for you own and your country. We know what to do and we already embarked on correct path - just get your path right or this CHAI WALA take you to hell to serve you tea.

I suggest that you resolve your life problems some other way. Venting your frustrations on an on-line journals with bluster and unfounded opinions masquerading as reality will only give you temporary solace.

 

[khail007]

I suggest that you resolve your life problems some other way. Venting your frustrations on an on-line journals with bluster and unfounded opinions masquerading as reality will only give you temporary solace.

I also suggest please see some phycologist for your personal issues. Don't pose on this forum that you are an angel/educated/intellectual person. None of these qualities exists in your DNA. Yes you could consider yourself as psycho/conspiracy expert/illiterate/sick person - you could not hide your real face.

 

[AUz]

I agree with the bombastic media and the idiotic Hindu nationalist; he was not elected to highest office, that is that of the President, and the man you are referring to was the leader of the coalition that was voted with maximum seats in Parliament.

Finally, I think that there is a strong case for an alternative view, and that this is being swept under the carpet by Pakistani fanboys who desperately need a reason to feel good.

Evidence, when looked at objectively, does not suggest much room for "alternative view" here (even if we accept some IAF claims regarding Pak losing one jet of its own etc).

Overall, Pakistan dominated the escalation ladder. Offered significantly more substantial evidence of its claims, and the optics of the war (wreckage of indian jets, wing commander being shot down and arrested etc) overwhelmingly shown Pakistan as having the "upper hand" at the end of a fiasco started by Indian side with all its gung-ho jingoistic rhetoric (to put it mildly).

Pakistani fan boys (count me as one, if you so will) are not happy because we need to feel good. We are happy at the validation of what we always knew: Laughably embarrassing indian wish of acting like an "Israel" in the region is mythical in nature. Pakistan is not Gaza. Over last few days, gullible masses of yours were forced to realize that

Pakistan easily matched (ehm, out-struck ) indian escalations militarily and once again established the fact that india shares this region with another regional power and it is in no shape to change this fact (albeit indian fanboys do keep deleting Pakistan's entry under "regional powers" section on wikipedia pages. Talk about inferiority-complex?)

Good day.

 

[khail007]

All that you demonstrated through the Kulbhushan Yadav episode is that you are good kidnappers.

That is you real psychological issue - your terrorists and monkeys are always 'INNOCENT'. You - a typical Indian and pseudo intellectual in denial mode.
Your wishes will never be fulfilled, you don't have any credibility.

 

[Bratva]

All that you demonstrated through the Kulbhushan Yadav episode is that you are good kidnappers. But that was known already, from Daniel Pearl's kidnapping and subsequent murder.

If Kulbhushan Sudhir Yadav was kidnapped from Iran, why no police report was registered in Iran for the kidnapping of Hussain Mubarik Patel ? I've seen india and you regurgitate this kidnapping theory without taking basic measures to ensure everyone he was kidnapped and I've not seen any Iran official statement or report endorsing your or India official stance he was kidnapped. If you have any, I'll be happy to agree with your hypothesis of kidnapping

What is common b/w daniel pearl kidnapping and Samjhota express and Malegaon bomb blasts ? that extremist elements exist at both side of borders.So should we generalize the hindu extremist elements with same paint brush with which you are trying to generalize us as good kidnappers ? One might say you are good at "Baghal mae churri, muh se ram ram" or Attacking muslims and blaming others for your act. But that would be inequity and prejudice wouldn't it

 

[untitled]

those of us who hope against hope that we will get a reasonable person to talk to still hope that this will stop some day, that the fanboys of all ages will mature one day.

Yes I too am looking forward to the day when you too will look at facts objectively rather than through propaganda lens of Indian intelligence

Please don't interrupt their victory dance.

I hope you are done licking your wounds

1947-48,

Where does the Jammu massacre feature in your completely unbiased narrative?

 

[coffee_cup]

@Bratva @member.exe @khail007

You are wasting your energies on this psycho.
Who considers himself some sort of indian intellectual but to understand his mental state just consider this:

He acknowledges LTTE are terrorists
He admits India has trained, armed, financed LTTE

And then he says at the same time that India has never sponsored cross-border terrorism.

This is the state of mind of so called "learned" indians, just imagine about the chaddis and other average indians around.

This country, india, must be declared a mental asylum area for retards.

 

[Joe Shearer]

Yes I too am looking forward to the day when you too will look at facts objectively rather than through propaganda lens of Indian intelligence


I hope you are done licking your wounds


Where does the Jammu massacre feature in your completely unbiased narrative?

Three posts for the price of one. My lucky day.

What about the Jammu massacre? If you had not been so inattentive, you would have remembered my posts where I had talked about this. Since you have not, you have the poor student's weak excuse that it was not taught in class.

 

[untitled]

Three posts for the price of one. My lucky day.

Makes me wonder how bad your unlucky days are

If you had not been so inattentive

You got me here. I have not been active here

Since you have not, you have the poor student's weak excuse that it was not taught in class.

I may be a poor student but I do certainly stay away from lessons which reek of indoctrination. And I am definetely allergic to teachers who will fail their students with delight who can't regurgitate verbatim, what was presented to them

 

[Joe Shearer]

If Kulbhushan Sudhir Yadav was kidnapped from Iran, why no police report was registered in Iran for the kidnapping of Hussain Mubarik Patel ?

Please think things through before jumping up as if someone had exploded a firecracker under your seat.

I am not defending or attacking the official response but just pointing out some facts, as a bystander with neither official standing nor access to anything other than regular news items, that I have read or listened to in the past.

The first report was that Kulbhushan Yadav had been detected and arrested within Pakistani territory, on suspicion of being an Indian espionage agent. If he had been a genuine agent, GoI would have known everything about him. If he had not, it is difficult to understand what immediate reaction there could have been. Were we to have deduced from that initial report that he was actually located in Iran and had been kidnapped from there? Is it too difficult to believe that in the normal course of things, if he had actually been not the kind of James Bond figure that has been painted, to find what the man had done after the Navy, and was doing currently, at the time of the report, might take some time. On finding that he had been in Iran when last reported, what should have been the reaction? To tell the Government of Iran that an ex-naval officer trading out of the territory had been detained by Pakistan? With what authority, and on what standing? He was not there on official duty, if you bear with me, and continue to follow the line of reasoning that quite possibly took place. Second, how was GoI to assess the truthfulness of the false passport story? Just on the say-so of the official information from the Government of Pakistan? Presumably there needed to be some basic investigation of the existence of a passport issued to Hussain Mubarik Patel, and it's being issued under the auspices of an intelligence agency to the retired officer Yadav?

I've seen india and you regurgitate this kidnapping theory without taking basic measures to ensure everyone he was kidnapped and I've not seen any Iran official statement or report endorsing your or India official stance he was kidnapped. If you have any, I'll be happy to agree with your hypothesis of kidnapping

Might I point out without disturbing you the way my initial post had done that your outline of action that you might expect the Government of India to have taken is entirely consistent with the behaviour of a guilty authority, and that it is also entirely inconsistent with the behaviour of an authority trying to find out what was going on, with not the slightest cooperation of a Pakistani administration that has to date refused even to share the sentence of the military court?

My basic argument can be summed up in one sentence: Apply Occam's Razor.

What is common b/w daniel pearl kidnapping and Samjhota express and Malegaon bomb blasts ? that extremist elements exist at both side of borders.So should we generalize the hindu extremist elements with same paint brush with which you are trying to generalize us as good kidnappers ? One might say you are good at "Baghal mae churri, muh se ram ram" or Attacking muslims and blaming others for your act.

Please feel completely free to say whatever occurs to you, and do not stifle your feelings and suppress your reactions. It would normally be up to us to judge each other by our words first, and then, circumstances permitting, by our actions. If what you wish to say is what you have stated is what you might have said but didn't, that is rather deflective, is it not? If I had been in your apparent mood of ascribing religious and civilisational values to the other person's words and actions, I might have agreed with you that these could be interpreted as typical of each other, and suggested that you were practising, or extolling 'takfiri'. Would you consider that as a fair accusation? Or would you, as I do, think of these as the shortcomings of an administration and not of a culture or a religion? The distinction is not difficult.

The most painful part of your post was your seemingly deliberate brushing aside the sharp contrast between the deception that the Government of Pakistan resorts to, habitually, and as a practice, of concealing evidence, of destroying evidence, of doing away with witnesses, of intimidating witnesses and generally of distorting the course of justice. Exactly these things have happened in my country, too; unlike you, and unlike your fellow citizens, save those who have formed a movement to protest these and been despised for it, we have a strong section of civil society united in condemning these administrative and political attempts at manipulation.

Painful because you seem to wish to allow to die unseen and unheard the actions of dutiful officials who unearthed the machinations of the right-wing Hindu terrorists responsible for the Samjhauta Express blasts and the Malegaon blasts. It was Indian policemen, and Indian prosecutors who took up these issues; it was the famously toxic Indian media who carried these stories in their full, disgraceful versions, and revealed these plots to an angry nation. Not a Pakistani, not Pakistani media, not the ISI, no outsider; we. The 'Bagal me chhurri aur muh mein Ram Ram' lot, those who accuse Muslims. None of this occurs in my post, but I can understand your seeking to impose these tags in order to justify the latent prejudice and bigotry that guided the suggestions that we might have been guilty of what you have been thinking. The fact that the Indians involved in these investigations did not think of themselves as Hindus, or Muslims, or Sikhs, or Christians, or Buddhists is obviously one that sets your teeth on edge, and only that resentment of what you cannot achieve can explain the accusations of religious bigotry on our part or the hostility on your part that you display.

But that would be inequity and prejudice wouldn't it

As a contrast to whatever I have stood for, and argued for, yes.

Shame on you, @Bratva. I had thought this to have been beneath you.

That is you real psychological issue - your terrorists and monkeys are always 'INNOCENT'. You - a typical Indian and pseudo intellectual in denial mode.
Your wishes will never be fulfilled, you don't have any credibility.

Read with little interest.

Your verbiage really deserves no particular attention.

Evidence, when looked at objectively, does not suggest much room for "alternative view" here (even if we accept some IAF claims regarding Pak losing one jet of its own etc).

Overall, Pakistan dominated the escalation ladder. Offered significantly more substantial evidence of its claims, and the optics of the war (wreckage of indian jets, wing commander being shot down and arrested etc) overwhelmingly shown Pakistan as having the "upper hand" at the end of a fiasco started by Indian side with all its gung-ho jingoistic rhetoric (to put it mildly).

Pakistani fan boys (count me as one, if you so will) are not happy because we need to feel good. We are happy at the validation of what we always knew: Laughably embarrassing indian wish of acting like an "Israel" in the region is mythical in nature. Pakistan is not Gaza. Over last few days, gullible masses of yours were forced to realize that

Pakistan easily matched (ehm, out-struck ) indian escalations militarily and once again established the fact that india shares this region with another regional power and it is in no shape to change this fact (albeit indian fanboys do keep deleting Pakistan's entry under "regional powers" section on wikipedia pages. Talk about inferiority-complex?)

Good day.

LOL.

Would I dare to challenge these immutable truths that you have so patiently enunciated to the undeserving?

Good day.

Makes me wonder how bad your unlucky days are


You got me here. I have not been active here


I may be a poor student but I do certainly stay away from lessons which reek of indoctrination. And I am definetely allergic to teachers who will fail their students with delight who can't regurgitate verbatim, what was presented to them

My next lesson will be about how to straighten out tangled syntax. Try to pay attention.

 

[khail007]

@AUz @Bratva @coffee_cup @Samlee @member.exe @GumNaam @Taimoor Khan @Hiptullha

This pseudo retard Indian intellectual suffering from some kind of cerebral degeneration syndrome have nothing to say but trolling with his biased and rubbish claims from Indian HISHTORY. He is only 'PROFESSIONAL' in his rubbish claims.
His only agenda is to prove Indian terrorists as innocents.
Secondly, just want himself to project that he is the best in coping multiple posters simultaneously; with his linguistic illusions.

 

[untitled]

My next lesson will be about how to straighten out tangled syntax

My syntax is tangled by design. Makes your head spin does it not?
As for your class, I am dropping it for something more mentally stimulating.

 

[khail007]

Read with little interest.

Your verbiage really deserves no particular attention.

Yes the true (verbiage) made you more sick and you have no credibility while you put all your weight to protect Indian Terror Mata.
You don't have to laugh but to face palm on yourself.

 

[coffee_cup]

Yes the true (verbiage) made you more sick and you have no credibility while you put all your weight to protect Indian Terror Mata.
You don't have to laugh but to face palm on yourself.

The psycho was equating those villagers who caught Abhi and threw few slaps and punches on him with those chaddis who lynch ppl for eating beef.

Can you believe this, throwing few slaps to an enemy who shells their homes day and night is equal to lynching innocent citizens for their dietary habits for this retard!