IAF No Induction of Women

[Kinshuk]

oohh my gosh & i am hurting

Sorry Kiddo

Female World Order is coming

Kiddo? Thanks.. I take that as a compliment.


Female world? Yes it is coming, Now I think Men needs reservation in different fields. They are left behind.

 

[DaRk WaVe]

Women have not been kept out of combat because they are unqualified but because their presence makes men uncomfortable.

Kiddo? Thanks.. I take that as a compliment.

Female world? Yes it is coming, Now I think Men needs reservation in different fields. They are left behind.

Chill

 

[Kinshuk]

Chill

Well I didn't say that in a sarcastic way. But really it is happening.

In India, Reservation is given to the women, and now the condition has reciprocated. Men's race would need it soon or Women will surpass them very soon,

BTW offtopic. I was just making a point that I didn't get hurt or made any sarcastic comment.
Whatever level you could convince me, I have taken it and was not making any lame excuses.

Thanks,

Gotta go.. Or lockheed won't fly its jets.

 

[Super Falcon]

i still bellieve that woman fighter pilots are nuts and waste of fighter jets capability never allow them to fly any war fighter jet trainers yes

 

[r0ck]

I can understand the fuss and anger towards this decision but people are simply refusing to accept the 'fair' reason. Pregnancy is one of the very big issues in contrast to others. Now certain people think that if the women are 'guaranteeing' that pregnancy will not be an issue, it is 'sufficient' for the Air chief to accept them as able pilots. You see, as air chief you cannot afford the slightest of chances even the slightest, to affect the efficiency of your air squad. Yes, I understand the guarantees are there and the women are more than willing to adhere to those commitments, even if their life depends on it. But as an air chief you are not supposed to take chances on pilot efficiency and effectiveness. You have to for-see that your pilots are never in a position that 'could' make them unfit as fighter pilots.

I 100% agree that women be separated from girls or a screening or a measure be introduced so that the pregnancy issue is completely nullified. But an air chief spending millions of Rs./$ on training has to be completely 'assured' that the pilots will be fit for the role.

So considering the 'potential' threat of pregnancy amidst a vast array of assurances, the air chief does have a 'fair' reason. I agree that this is completely unfair and unjust for the most enthusiastic, inspired, motivated, dedicated, and equally capable women willing to join the air force, and I can agree with the anger to a certain limit. But at the end of the day, when looking at the bigger picture, there's only one way to completely eliminate the unfit-ability due to pregnancy.

P.S. Please don't come out with a twister of my post. I consider women as being the greatest of beings. But rather evaluate the reasons that I've provided with a balanced mindset.

 

[DaRk WaVe]

i still bellieve that woman fighter pilots are nuts and waste of fighter jets capability never allow them to fly any war fighter jet trainers yes

yeah sure NUTS can talk about NUTS, but some NUTS can't be bolted at all, so you need to weld 'em

will care you care to prove your BS, or its just 'Might is Right'

Kill all women & live in your women free world

 

[DaRk WaVe]

Women who choose to come to this field know exactly all the dangers of Rape & all that sh!t

why is that all of you are too concerned about women been tortured & raped

Just look around you they are been tortured & raped every day

 

[footmarks]

I too agree with most of you here. IMO, women are stronger than men in every aspect, they are strong mentally, are more emotionally balanced and dominating (like any other animal species). Humans are also animals (social though), and in every animal species, life revolves completely around females, with male's role only restricted to reproduction/advancement of species. Its been a long suppression of such female dominance in humans that have reduced female's to an add-on to males. But still we can feel their dominant instincts. Even goondas fear their wives at home. No matter how brave I can be, I feel over ruled by my GF on many issues and in every debate between us, I have to invariably concede defeat even if I know that I am right.(tear power)
Ladki ke ek ishaare pe kitne hi mard majnu ban jaate han or peeche peeche ghumte firte han.
And because in every aspect we are belittled by females, we start using brute force, physical power. Males are better savages than females may be, otherwise women rules our lives. they give us birth, nurture us, love us, made us do whatever they want (behind every successful/failed man, there is a woman). we dont even realize where the real power centre lies.(eg. MMS and Sonia gandhi).There are still some territories where men have so far succeeded in keeping women away for the fear of being defeated there as well. and one of them is - Air force. If anyone have ever experienced "adam-teasing", will understand how strong women are. They experience lewd comments and eve-teasing everyday and still carry themselves so confidently. had it been men subjected to such things, most of us would have stopped going out of our homes. Torture is not a new thing to women, they experience it everyday. there is no doubt they can do better than men in combat situations too.Think....

 

[deckingraj]

P.S. Please don't come out with a twister of my post. I consider women as being the greatest of beings. But rather evaluate the reasons that I've provided with a balanced mindset.

I am sorry though i have no intentions to twist your words yet i dont find them balanced by any stretch of imagination...

Let me tell you why...As you said that

You see, as air chief you cannot afford the slightest of chances even the slightest, to affect the efficiency of your air squad

It is like saying that Air-Chief should not allow his so called macho air squad not to venture on roads because who knows they get killed in road accidents....don't let them have drinks,smoke for obvious reasons....Don't let them have sex with anybody - so that their should not be slightest chance of them catching all those STD's..HIV's out there...i know all this sound absurd...but the same way your reasoning about concerns of pregnancy sounds absurd to me...

The way there is every chance for a macho fighter pilot to break rules and then thrown out of Air Force the same way their is a chance of women getting pregnant and thus subjected to diciplinary actions...Putting anything more to it is like saying women are dumb and they love to get pregnant even though their line of duty don't expect them to...

I hope you see the distinction that i am trying to put here...

 

[deckingraj]

The ban on women in combat is the last barrier to equal opportunity for military women. However, the issue cannot be resolved on the basis of equal rights but rather on the basis of mission effectiveness.

Thanks fpr putting up an existing perspective but with all due respect isn't the bolded part aply to everyone irrespective of the gender???

The problem is that mission effectiveness is not measured by competence alone. There is much evidence to suggest that women would be competent as fighter pilots, or in any other combat role for which they are physically and mentally qualified. Women have not been kept out of combat because they are unqualified but because their presence makes men uncomfortable.

I am not sure what to comment about the bolded part because you are being honest and must be sharing with us some ground reality...However Sir, don't you think being uncomfortable is a problem that men folks need to figure out...why should women suffer???...To be honest with you all these are excuses becuase in our minds we all think women are feeble species and should be taken care of....this is our typical conservative thoughts that are being passed from generations to generations...We say that women and men are equal but snub that thought on every occasion that we get...Just look around us...All the places where women have been allowed by so called hypocratic male dominant society(read India-pak and similar) women folks have outperformed them by huge margins...Various study's show how good and effective women managers are over their male counterparts....and why only in management almost every field....Just a month back i read somewhere that there are more women working in US than male counterparts...so in essence give them equal opportunity and they will kick our a$$....It is this insecurity complemented with might is right attitude that is stopping from looking at the writings on the wall...Anyways momentum on this issue is going up and very soon people will see the unthinkable....

Just an example - My granny was not allowed to go out of home to work becuase of similar issues...Her prime job was to look after kids and home...My mother went out and worked yet she was assumed to be the caretaker of kids and house...My fiance(gettng married on valentines eve) have already divided the days when i am supposed to cook ..lol...

The idea of a woman being tortured as a prisoner of war is unbearable for many men because it somehow implies that they have failed in their role as protector. If women are to be smoothly integrated into nontraditional military roles, there must be some cultural reconditioning.

I agree partially...Cultural reconditioning is anyways going on...That's why this subject is being dicussed...However women folks would have to use courts to get this debate to its logical conclusion...Sue the bloody people who on one hand say all netizens are equal and on the other leaves no stone unturned to keep women folks under the carpet....

 

[Kinshuk]

Lol this question just popped out of my mind... Can women bowl as fast as Shoaib Akhtar? Or even Zahir Khan? Just asking. Standards cannot be the same, for them..

men have higher muscle ratios than women and their bone structure is denser to give them the ability to pack more muscle onto it.

Many men are naturally well-muscled it's called being a mesomorph. Equally there are men who are ectomorphs and are physically alot weaker but the point is on average a male is physically much stronger than a female of the same body weight and muscle mass. They just have more efficient body structures for strength based activities

 

[Kinshuk]

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Physical Fitness | Man Vs Woman | Health Care | Good Health

Men More Physically Fit Than women

Latest research have finally proved that women are weaker than men physically. For their study, the researchers observed activity levels in school children and adults over 70 years of age discovered that males are more active.

The researchers also observed that the girls involvement in playtime was six percent lower than the boys. On studying the girls and boys of 10-11 years of age, it was found that the girls and boys play differently.

"Our study shows that girls and boys play differently. Girls tend to spend time in smaller groups and engage in verbal games, conversation and socialising. Most boys play in larger groups, which lend themselves more to physically active games, such as football," Dr Nicky Ridgers said.

However the study does not claims that playtime activity has any impact on the children's weight, though it can be a factor. By reaching the age of 11, about 33 percent of children are obese. This refers to both boys and girls, but it was clinically proven that adult women grow more obese than men.






Our study shows that girls and boys play differently.

"It is a concern that girls' activity levels are lower than boys and, although it is just one piece in a complex picture, this could be contributing to girls being overweight and obese," Dr Ridgers said. The second study that involved the over-70 year olds revealed that the activity levels were low in both the sexes, however women are generally less active than men.

This study lead by the University of Bristol reported that more than 70 percent of the people that participated in the study walked less than 5,000 steps a day.

"Men accomplish more higher intensity physical activity than women and this seems to be explained by trips out of the house. However, there is evidence that they also sit down for longer periods in the day. Women do more lower intensity activity which probably represents daily tasks around the house," said Ken Fox, Professor of Exercise and Health Sciences at the University of Bristol (UK).

"This would suggest that traditional family roles are still identifiable in this generation. We are now taking a closer look at what may lie behind this gender difference and are attempting to identify the best ways of promoting physical activity to help improve mental well-being and physical fitness among the over 70s," Fox added. AGENCIES

 

[deckingraj]

Lol this question just popped out of my mind... Can women bowl as fast as Shoaib Akhtar? Or even Zahir Khan? Just asking. Standards cannot be the same, for them..

men have higher muscle ratios than women and their bone structure is denser to give them the ability to pack more muscle onto it.

Many men are naturally well-muscled it's called being a mesomorph. Equally there are men who are ectomorphs and are physically alot weaker but the point is on average a male is physically much stronger than a female of the same body weight and muscle mass. They just have more efficient body structures for strength based activities

Buddy do you really need scientific theories to proove that men are physically more stronger than women of same body weight and muscle mass???? Can you show me even one poster here that disagrees on this???


However its not all about muscle mass..there is a thing called technique....a technique that can make a person of the size of bruce-lee kicks anyone's a$$ any given time...... I am sure even you would agree to this...Anyhow here the point is when it comes to national security there should not be any bull sh-it....Every army has a set standard for its forces and i am of the strong opinion that there should not be any relaxation for women in this regard....but one should be prepared to give them an equal chance instead of snubbing them by giving lame excuses from Rapes-Menstrual cycles-Feable force-pregnancy-men not conformtable and what not...

 

[satishkumarcsc]

Women who choose to come to this field know exactly all the dangers of Rape & all that sh!t

why is that all of you are too concerned about women been tortured & raped

Just look around you they are been tortured & raped every day

If I were the ACM I would put a bullet through her head and never care...Or i shall atleast try negotiate with the release. But that can be done with a government or a country. Not a terrorist shooting her down with a stinger. And if it were a man there are no organisations crying but if it is a woman then it starts from the NCW locally and goes upto Amnesty International.

 

[shrivatsa]

what about defensive roles , even if they are shot down they will not be in hostile territory.