IAF losing edge over PAF:Military Intelligence.

[lepziboy]

Aroor is talking about Pakistan not China. India-China relation is not that bad.

I stand corrected

 

[Manticore]

With what ?



What are these multipliers exactly that cancel out the MKI's radar range. Are you implying meeting a SU-30MKI with multiple aircraft at once would neutralize its advantages somehow ? It would just shoot all of them down. Then turn around and leave.

DO i need to remind some people here that at its induction the SU-30MKI was one of the most advanced aircraft in the world ? That was on 04 it is still a very capable aircraft now. Underestimating it wouldn't be a wise choice. Objective thinking would entitle this.

1
of all our f-16s are blk52+ , not blk52.

2
by the end of 2+ years , all our f16s will be of that standard, not the only ''18''

3
our blk15s as well as the relatively newer ones we got in the past 2 years are already capable of firing amraam

4
in defensive role,
in defensive stance , it will have greater datalinked situational awareness in the form of 7 awacas -- which was non exhistant before-- so our fighters would be able to go into a fight without the radars being used/detected for greater time, without compromising there job

5
in offensive role however, their are 3 basic things to look for..

range-- can easily be increased with air refuellers , which we didnt have a few years back

smart/precision guided weapons-- paf has invested a hell of its recources in this field... if you notice the libyian war , none of the fighters were ''fully loaded'' as you see in the wallpapers, rather they were using lesser but more effective pgms.

radar-- the current fleet even with the upgraded radars is old and can only be upgraded to an extent due to the inherent design of the nose dome of the fighter.

the jf17, which will be 250 in number has a dome size greater than f16 and rafale.. rather in the range of eurofighter..so im optimistic that even if the blk2 jft doesnt have aesa, still the radar will be much capable

rcs -- the rcs of blk1 jft is bested only by the blk52+ --- the blk2 with stealthy frontal fuselage would have the least rcs in our inventory

standoff weapons -- ra'ad cruise missile gives a 350 km standoff range



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It should be noted that post kargil , all our exercises had combined paf and pa involvement

Moreover the number of joint exercises / deputations paf is going to,[including tuaf f16 and plaaf su30] is astounding.

Apart from testing its own fighter in wot is practicle --[you can argue on this point, but in libya even , the rafales went in only AFTER the defences were neutralized.]

The Havelsan electronic warfare test & training range is also a practical step in the right direction

PAF has to pool its recources in only 1 front
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personaly instead of three 4.5 gen platforms and none 5th gen platform , if cash problem can be solved and jft newer blocks effectively upgraded , i would like paf to save the money intended for j10b and use it in a new jv for a stealth/stealthy fighter--AFTERALL pakfa would be the real game changer

 

[Thorough Pro]

Article is nothing more than a hog wash, IAF is years ahead of PAF both numerically and technologically. The only capable plane worthy of mention in PAF inventory is 18 F16 of block 50/52, 42 F16 of block 15/16 and 30 JF17 have limited capabilities and no match for the advanced Su30MKI, Mig 29, and Mirage 2000. Honestly speaking I think IAF's SU30 aand Mig29 are more than enough to counter the whole of PAF.

 

[Thorough Pro]

There is already a thread on the subject, Mods are requested to please merge this thread with the other one.

 

[Black Widow]

1
of all our f-16s are blk52+ , not blk52.

2
by the end of 2+ years , all our f16s will be of that standard, not the only ''18''

3
our blk15s as well as the relatively newer ones we got in the past 2 years are already capable of firing amraam

4
paf is mainly a defensive force,
in defensive stance , it will have greater datalinked situational awareness in the form of 7 awacas -- which was non exhistant before.

5
in offensive role however, their are 3 basic things to look for..

range-- can easily be increased with air refuellers , which we didnt have a few years back

smart/precision guided weapons-- paf has invested a hell of its recources in this field... if you notice the libyian war , none of the fighters were ''fully loaded'' as you see in the wallpapers, rather they were using lesser but more effective pgms.

radar-- the current fleet even with the upgraded radars is old and can only be upgraded to an extent due to the inherent design of the nose dome of the fighter.

the jf17, which will be 250 in number has a dome size greater than f16 and rafale.. rather in the range of eurofighter..so im optimistic that even if the blk2 jft doesnt have aesa, still the radar will be much capable

rcs -- the rcs of blk1 jft is bested only by the blk52+ --- the blk2 with stealthy frontal fuselage would have the least rcs in our inventory

Very Good," Mogambo khush huwa..."

 

[rajusri]

Even for highly positive thinking person like me the article is more like bragging. Just asking for more and faster deals "126 Rafales should be bought quickly."

 

[TaimiKhan]

So, wasn't the threat like China more and shouldn't the comparison be done with CAF rather then PAF ??

As Indians like to say that China is our new challenge, Pakistan is nothing against the mighty Indian Defence Forces.

So why comparing with PAF which will be overrun by IAF in 5 minutes, compare with CAF guys, we are not a threat for you guys.

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So, wasn't the threat like China more and shouldn't the comparison be done with CAF rather then PAF ??

As Indians like to say that China is our new challenge, Pakistan is nothing against the mighty Indian Defence Forces.

So why comparing with PAF which will be overrun by IAF in 5 minutes, compare with CAF guys, we are not a threat for you guys.

 

[TROJAN.EXE]

Even for highly positive thinking person like me the article is more like bragging. Just asking for more and faster deals "126 Rafales should be bought quickly."

so what if they are "bought", the pilots who fly them are not nearly as comptent as Pakistan's.

 

[Manticore]

1
of all our f-16s are blk52+ , not blk52.

2
by the end of 2+ years , all our f16s will be of that standard, not the only ''18''

3
our blk15s as well as the relatively newer ones we got in the past 2 years are already capable of firing amraam

4
paf is mainly a defensive force,
in defensive stance , it will have greater datalinked situational awareness in the form of 7 awacas -- which was non exhistant before-- so our fighters would be able to go into a fight without the radars being used/detected for greater time, without compromising there job

5
in offensive role however, their are 3 basic things to look for..

range-- can easily be increased with air refuellers , which we didnt have a few years back

smart/precision guided weapons-- paf has invested a hell of its recources in this field... if you notice the libyian war , none of the fighters were ''fully loaded'' as you see in the wallpapers, rather they were using lesser but more effective pgms.

radar-- the current fleet even with the upgraded radars is old and can only be upgraded to an extent due to the inherent design of the nose dome of the fighter.

the jf17, which will be 250 in number has a dome size greater than f16 and rafale.. rather in the range of eurofighter..so im optimistic that even if the blk2 jft doesnt have aesa, still the radar will be much capable

rcs -- the rcs of blk1 jft is bested only by the blk52+ --- the blk2 with stealthy frontal fuselage would have the least rcs in our inventory

standoff weapons -- ra'ad cruise missile gives a 350 km standoff range



--------------------------------
It should be noted that post kargil , all our exercises had combined paf and pa involvement

Moreover the number of joint exercises / deputations [including tuaf f16 and plaaf su30]paf is going to, is astounding.

Apart from testing its own fighter in wot is practicle --[you can argue on this point, but in libya even , the rafales went in only AFTER the defences were neutralized.]

The Havelsan electronic warfare test & training range is also a practical step in the right direction

PAF has to pool its recources in only 1 front

-------------------------------

personaly instead of three 4.5 gen platforms and none 5th gen platform , if cash problem can be solved and jft newer blocks effectively upgraded , i would like paf to save the money intended for j10b and use it in a new jv for a stealth/stealthy fighter--AFTERALL pakfa would be the real game changer

 

[All-Green]

Both j10 or F16 block60 are not air superiority fighters so they are not belongs to MKI category

In dog fight with any of these MKI is surely a winner

The F-16 is still one of the best dog fighters in the world, if both F-16 and MKI enter WVR then it suits PAF.
The advantage of MKI is range, payload, radar etc.

The article is just a propaganda to get more $$ for IAF.
The IAF currently has the advantage in high end fighters, no doubt about it.

 

[Archie]

Thats the current inventory as per wiki

List of aircraft of the Indian Air Force - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

However there are a few mistakes in that article

The actual number of Mig21 Bis/Bisons in service are 173 against 200 mentioned in the article

While the number of Mig29 listed in the article also include 8 aircrafts in service with the Indian Navy

Number of Jaguars in service , stand at 139 against 169 mentioned in the article

 

[SQ8]

All-green.. thou shalt not diss MKItabh bachan...

The whole article is a marketing ploy.. to get the MRCA.. which is intended for a PLA oriented policy.
But since things are moving all nicely with the Chinese.. lets bring up the usual hate-mattress the Pakistani's. and go to your government like Oliver twist..saying "please sir.. may I have some more".

 

[Roybot]

so what if they are "bought", the pilots who fly them are not nearly as comptent as Pakistan's.

You guys seriously believe in such jingoism

 

[rockstarIN]

Its just a marketing ploy to decide fast on MMRCA and not to negotiate more with USA for F-18, but to go for Rafale fast..

 

[Mabs]

People who are arguing that PAF has nothing to counter the MKI really need to go through the thread with the PAF pilot's interview. He tells the tale of the 3 RAF typhoons which were downed in the Anatolian Eagle exercise by the PAF.