IAF Jaguar Aircraft To Be Equipped With Modern AESA Radars

[Syed Asif Bukhari]

Overspending is not good. We don't need to follow them . We are fine because we have nuclear weapons for minimum deterrence purpose. While india is just 1 cm away from border.
While we have enough fighters, and it can hold India at-least one week, which is good buy time for final go.

Mirage will be kept because RAAD can be only launched by mirage .so it will be good to keep some upgraded mirages untill a substitute is found .

 

[Gessler]

But does the jag not have 2 overwing pylons dedicated to a2a missiles?

Yes, and those are used for carrying the last-ditch measures for self defence : the IR-guided WVR missiles, which are preferred because they are better at close-in engagements, and usually have much higher g-stress tolerance than BVR missiles - allowing them to hit targets during tight maneuvering. Secondly, they can be used regardless of whether you have a radar or not.

If a Jag is indeed forced to engage in combat, it will be at close range (the escorts will take care of distant threats).

If you put BVR missiles on these hardpoints, you will have to move the WVRs to the under-wing stores. That takes away Jag's A2G capabilities. Same is true for the reverse.

Ideally, a Jag should carry 2 WVRAAMs for self-defence. That's all. Rest all should be A2G munitions. Even the Panavia Tornado only carries WVRAAMs while on strike missions...however, being more capable of performing multi-role duties than the Jaguar, it's possible to find Tornados with BVRAAMs from time to time - but almost never while carrying a strike load.

 

[GoodKnight]

Yes, and those are used for carrying the last-ditch measures for self defence : the IR-guided WVR missiles, which are preferred because they are better at close-in engagements, and usually have much higher g-stress tolerance than BVR missiles - allowing them to hit targets during tight maneuvering. Secondly, they can be used regardless of whether you have a radar or not.

If a Jag is indeed forced to engage in combat, it will be at close range (the escorts will take care of distant threats).

If you put BVR missiles on these hardpoints, you will have to move the WVRs to the under-wing stores. That takes away Jag's A2G capabilities. Same is true for the reverse.

Ideally, a Jag should carry 2 WVRAAMs for self-defence. That's all. Rest all should be A2G munitions. Even the Panavia Tornado only carries WVRAAMs while on strike missions...however, being more capable of performing multi-role duties than the Jaguar, it's possible to find Tornados with BVRAAMs from time to time - but almost never while carrying a strike load.

That defies any logic.

Why should the Jaguar not carry a BVR missile on top of the wings ? It will have zero impact on its ground strike capacity while giving him significant A2A self defence capability.

Derby BVR missile weights only 118 kg and two of them will weight 236 kg.

The total capacity of the upgraded Jaguar will be able to carry a payload of 5.5-6 Tons. Carrying the BVR will not make the slightest reduction to its ground strike capability. Even a CBU-105 weights only 420 kg.

A BVR capable aircraft with an AESA radar will never ever engage in a Close in combat. Once it detect an enemy presence, it will either fire its BVR missile or quickly leave the zone. This is assuming its escorts do not defend it.

 

[Lord Of Gondor]

That defies any logic.

Why should the Jaguar not carry a BVR missile on top of the wings ? It will have zero impact on its ground strike capacity while giving him significant A2A self defence capability.

Derby BVR missile weights only 118 kg and two of them will weight 236 kg.

The total capacity of the upgraded Jaguar will be able to carry a payload of 5.5-6 Tons. Carrying the BVR will not make the slightest reduction to its ground strike capability. Even a CBU-105 weights only 420 kg.

A BVR capable aircraft with an AESA radar will never ever engage in a Close in combat. Once it detect an enemy presence, it will either fire its BVR missile or quickly leave the zone. This is assuming its escorts do not defend it.

The Jaguar is a low level strike fighter.
It flies at altitudes of <100m at very high speeds.
It is rather difficult for the Jaguar to be tracked at great ranges because of this.
The IAF chose the Aim132 ASRAAM taking into consideration the mission profile.

 

[GoodKnight]

The Jaguar is a low level strike fighter.
It flies at altitudes of <100m at very high speeds.
It is rather difficult for the Jaguar to be tracked at great ranges because of this.
The IAF chose the Aim132 ASRAAM taking into consideration the mission profile.

That is not a reliable strategy in the day and age of AWACS.

 

[Lord Of Gondor]

That is not a reliable strategy in the day and age of AWACS.

The IAF does not think so.

 

[GoodKnight]

The IAF does not think so.

So an aircraft with a AESA radar cannot fly low ?

 

[Lord Of Gondor]

So an aircraft with a AESA radar and cannot fly low ?

I did not understand your question.
The Jaguar was designed from zero as a low altitude nuclear capable strike aircraft. It has been used in the IAF precisely for the low level strike role and the IAF has close to 40 years of operational experience with this platform.

 

[GoodKnight]

I did not understand your question.
The Jaguar was designed from zero as a low altitude nuclear capable strike aircraft. It has been used in the IAF precisely for the low level strike role and the IAF has close to 40 years of operational experience with this platform.

what has that got anything to do with it having a AESA radar. Does having that radar diminish its capability to perform said mission or will it enhance its survivability ?

 

[GuardianRED]

what has that got anything to do with it having a AESA radar. Does having that radar diminish its capability to perform said mission or will it enhance its survivability ?

AESA -air-to-ground modes, including high resolution mapping, multiple ground moving target indication and track, combat identification

THAT WHY AESA!

 

[wiseone2]

AESA -air-to-ground modes, including high resolution mapping, multiple ground moving target indication and track, combat identification

THAT WHY AESA!

will the AESA radar have an air to air mode ??

That defies any logic.

Why should the Jaguar not carry a BVR missile on top of the wings ? It will have zero impact on its ground strike capacity while giving him significant A2A self defence capability.

Derby BVR missile weights only 118 kg and two of them will weight 236 kg.

The total capacity of the upgraded Jaguar will be able to carry a payload of 5.5-6 Tons. Carrying the BVR will not make the slightest reduction to its ground strike capability. Even a CBU-105 weights only 420 kg.

A BVR capable aircraft with an AESA radar will never ever engage in a Close in combat. Once it detect an enemy presence, it will either fire its BVR missile or quickly leave the zone. This is assuming its escorts do not defend it.

I am not opposed to your idea. I doubt the Jaguar can be modified to do it

 

[GuardianRED]

will the AESA radar have an air to air mode ??



I am not opposed to your idea. I doubt the Jaguar can be modified to do it

Bro , its a well know Fact - that that AESA does the 2 Modes simultaneously ie air to air and air to ground at the same time!.

 

[GoodKnight]

will the AESA radar have an air to air mode ??

I am not opposed to your idea. I doubt the Jaguar can be modified to do it

The Jaguar is already modified to do it. Jaguar IM already carry the Agave Radar.

 

[knight11]

That defies any logic.

Why should the Jaguar not carry a BVR missile on top of the wings ? It will have zero impact on its ground strike capacity while giving him significant A2A self defence capability.

Derby BVR missile weights only 118 kg and two of them will weight 236 kg.

The total capacity of the upgraded Jaguar will be able to carry a payload of 5.5-6 Tons. Carrying the BVR will not make the slightest reduction to its ground strike capability. Even a CBU-105 weights only 420 kg.

A BVR capable aircraft with an AESA radar will never ever engage in a Close in combat. Once it detect an enemy presence, it will either fire its BVR missile or quickly leave the zone. This is assuming its escorts do not defend it.

Because the Jaguars are not meant to engage the enemy for A2A clash, rather the ground strike mission and for that role we have lot of choices such as MKI, Mig 29 UPG, Mirrage 2000 UPG. For the BVR operation, you need long range Radar operating in a2a mode, and if you switch to such mode the jaguar will reveal its position, which is not intented, rather the Low altitude, terrain following, terrain masking deep strike strike operation. The AESA Radar, is meant to do the SAR scanning and mapping, and terrain following, terrain avoidance look down mode operation.

 

[GoodKnight]

Because the Jaguars are not meant to engage the enemy for A2A clash, rather the ground strike mission and for that role we have lot of choices such as MKI, Mig 29 UPG, Mirrage 2000 UPG. For the BVR operation, you need long range Radar operating in a2a mode, and if you switch to such mode the jaguar will reveal its position, which is not intented, rather the Low altitude, terrain following, terrain masking deep strike strike operation. The AESA Radar, is meant to do the SAR scanning and mapping, and terrain following, terrain avoidance look down mode operation.

Totally illogical.

So what if the jaguars primary role is for ground strike mission ? I cannot be equipped for better self protection or enhanced capability ?

There is no contradiction.