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IAF cut orders for 5th Gen FGFA by Half, down to only 65 aircrafts

Looking to cut costs and prune military imports, the Indian Air Force (IAF) has halved its demand for Russian-built fifth generation fighter aircraft (FGFA).It now wants just three squadrons of the fighter jets which are to be inducted into the Russian Air Force in 2016.

Sources say the IAF has scaled down its needs and now indicated that just three squadrons (around 18 planes in each), besides a few more for training of the pilots, will be enough for now. This works out to be 65 planes, almost half from the earlier projection of 127 FGFAs to be jointly designed and produced by India and Russia.The T-50 has been built for the Russians under the PAK-FA (Prospective Airborne Complex of Frontline Aviation) programme for the fifth generation fighter aircraft.

A plane will cost $100 million (Rs 650 crore). Three squadrons are the projection of an off-the-shelf deal India is pressing its military ally for immediate delivery of the planes.New Delhi has suggested to Moscow that the T-50 fighter jet can be supplied to the IAF, while the research to improve upon the aircraft can carry on simultaneously. The Tribune had first reported about India’s offer on February 24 this year.

Simultaneously, the IAF is also working on a $11 billion R&D contract for long-term development of the jet. It is pending ratification since 2013. In a written reply to the Rajya Sabha on August 4, Defence Minister Manohar Parrikar said the preliminary design stage of the fifth generation fighter aircraft programme completed in June 2013.

“The expenditure incurred so far is Rs 1,483.15 crore,” Parrikar said. The next stage of development of the fifth generation fighter aircraft will commence after signing of the R&D contract.The problem is in case India opts for the R&D contract route, the deliveries are envisaged to commence 94 months – eight years. The next best option is to go for an immediate off-the-shelf purchase and in case the research-and-development contract works out, more jets can be produced here.

With a dwindling fleet of fighter jets, this wait is not an option for the IAF, said sources. By the end of this year, the IAF would be at its lowest combat strength in more than a decade. It will be down to 32 squadrons by the end of this year and in the middle of a predicted shortage.

In a nutshell, the IAF with 576 fighter jets will be well short of the 750-strong fighter jet fleet mandated by a government sanction to wage a simultaneous two-front war with Pakistan and China.The pruning down of numbers has been done as the IAF is backing its own options of getting French-origin Rafale jets and the remaining batch of 72 Sukhoi-30 MKI jets from Russia, sources say.

Prime Minister Narendra Modi during his visit to France in April this year announced the intent to get 36 Rafale jets. A cost negotiation committee is in talks with the French company and the numbers could go beyond the announced 36 as the IAF has projected a demand for 80 Rafale-type planes.
SOURCE: Tribune News Service
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IAF cut orders for 5th Gen FGFA by Half, down to only 65 aircrafts

Looking to cut costs and prune military imports, the Indian Air Force (IAF) has halved its demand for Russian-built fifth generation fighter aircraft (FGFA).It now wants just three squadrons of the fighter jets which are to be inducted into the Russian Air Force in 2016.

Sources say the IAF has scaled down its needs and now indicated that just three squadrons (around 18 planes in each), besides a few more for training of the pilots, will be enough for now. This works out to be 65 planes, almost half from the earlier projection of 127 FGFAs to be jointly designed and produced by India and Russia.The T-50 has been built for the Russians under the PAK-FA (Prospective Airborne Complex of Frontline Aviation) programme for the fifth generation fighter aircraft.

A plane will cost $100 million (Rs 650 crore). Three squadrons are the projection of an off-the-shelf deal India is pressing its military ally for immediate delivery of the planes.New Delhi has suggested to Moscow that the T-50 fighter jet can be supplied to the IAF, while the research to improve upon the aircraft can carry on simultaneously. The Tribune had first reported about India’s offer on February 24 this year.

Simultaneously, the IAF is also working on a $11 billion R&D contract for long-term development of the jet. It is pending ratification since 2013. In a written reply to the Rajya Sabha on August 4, Defence Minister Manohar Parrikar said the preliminary design stage of the fifth generation fighter aircraft programme completed in June 2013.

“The expenditure incurred so far is Rs 1,483.15 crore,” Parrikar said. The next stage of development of the fifth generation fighter aircraft will commence after signing of the R&D contract.The problem is in case India opts for the R&D contract route, the deliveries are envisaged to commence 94 months – eight years. The next best option is to go for an immediate off-the-shelf purchase and in case the research-and-development contract works out, more jets can be produced here.

With a dwindling fleet of fighter jets, this wait is not an option for the IAF, said sources. By the end of this year, the IAF would be at its lowest combat strength in more than a decade. It will be down to 32 squadrons by the end of this year and in the middle of a predicted shortage.

In a nutshell, the IAF with 576 fighter jets will be well short of the 750-strong fighter jet fleet mandated by a government sanction to wage a simultaneous two-front war with Pakistan and China.The pruning down of numbers has been done as the IAF is backing its own options of getting French-origin Rafale jets and the remaining batch of 72 Sukhoi-30 MKI jets from Russia, sources say.

Prime Minister Narendra Modi during his visit to France in April this year announced the intent to get 36 Rafale jets. A cost negotiation committee is in talks with the French company and the numbers could go beyond the announced 36 as the IAF has projected a demand for 80 Rafale-type planes.
SOURCE: Tribune News ServiceView attachment 245935
Where is the source??
 
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So
Will FGFA just replace the 68 Mig29smt of IAF
 
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IAF cut orders for 5th Gen FGFA by Half, down to only 65 aircrafts

Looking to cut costs and prune military imports, the Indian Air Force (IAF) has halved its demand for Russian-built fifth generation fighter aircraft (FGFA).It now wants just three squadrons of the fighter jets which are to be inducted into the Russian Air Force in 2016.

Sources say the IAF has scaled down its needs and now indicated that just three squadrons (around 18 planes in each), besides a few more for training of the pilots, will be enough for now. This works out to be 65 planes, almost half from the earlier projection of 127 FGFAs to be jointly designed and produced by India and Russia.The T-50 has been built for the Russians under the PAK-FA (Prospective Airborne Complex of Frontline Aviation) programme for the fifth generation fighter aircraft.

A plane will cost $100 million (Rs 650 crore). Three squadrons are the projection of an off-the-shelf deal India is pressing its military ally for immediate delivery of the planes.New Delhi has suggested to Moscow that the T-50 fighter jet can be supplied to the IAF, while the research to improve upon the aircraft can carry on simultaneously. The Tribune had first reported about India’s offer on February 24 this year.

Simultaneously, the IAF is also working on a $11 billion R&D contract for long-term development of the jet. It is pending ratification since 2013. In a written reply to the Rajya Sabha on August 4, Defence Minister Manohar Parrikar said the preliminary design stage of the fifth generation fighter aircraft programme completed in June 2013.

“The expenditure incurred so far is Rs 1,483.15 crore,” Parrikar said. The next stage of development of the fifth generation fighter aircraft will commence after signing of the R&D contract.The problem is in case India opts for the R&D contract route, the deliveries are envisaged to commence 94 months – eight years. The next best option is to go for an immediate off-the-shelf purchase and in case the research-and-development contract works out, more jets can be produced here.

With a dwindling fleet of fighter jets, this wait is not an option for the IAF, said sources. By the end of this year, the IAF would be at its lowest combat strength in more than a decade. It will be down to 32 squadrons by the end of this year and in the middle of a predicted shortage.

In a nutshell, the IAF with 576 fighter jets will be well short of the 750-strong fighter jet fleet mandated by a government sanction to wage a simultaneous two-front war with Pakistan and China.The pruning down of numbers has been done as the IAF is backing its own options of getting French-origin Rafale jets and the remaining batch of 72 Sukhoi-30 MKI jets from Russia, sources say.

Prime Minister Narendra Modi during his visit to France in April this year announced the intent to get 36 Rafale jets. A cost negotiation committee is in talks with the French company and the numbers could go beyond the announced 36 as the IAF has projected a demand for 80 Rafale-type planes.
SOURCE: Tribune News ServiceView attachment 245935

then Pak-fa is coming soon, while fgfa will be developed simultaneously...

So
Will FGFA just replace the 68 Mig29smt of IAF

it'll be pak-fa not fgfa
 
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I wont believe this news unless source is given..boys IAF has hard core dreams on pak-fa why they will reduce the number for non-stealth french aircraft?
 
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First rafale and now cut orders of FGFA , this is indication that india is looking towards few squadrons of F35B.
 
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I think more delay will be in FGFA project,more the numbers will reduce..

plus,I also think it is wrong reporting.Possibly thats the number of Pak-Fa not FGFA.

First rafale and now cut orders of FGFA , this is indication that india is looking towards few squadrons of F35B.

Not F-35B,rather F-35A..

Nope..We'll rather join with Japan to co-develop F-3..

but F-35B/C for Navy is not bad.
 
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I wont believe this news unless source is given..boys IAF has hard core dreams on pak-fa why they will reduce the number for non-stealth french aircraft?

First rafale and now cut orders of FGFA , this is indication that india is looking towards few squadrons of F35B.
out of the initial 126 mmrca 36 will be rafale and the govt has scrapped the remaining 90 and replacing them with reduced i.e 65 pak-fa ,regrading fgfa they will be working on it and willl be inducted around 2022
 
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Not F-35B,rather F-35A..

Nope..We'll rather join with Japan to co-develop F-3..

but F-35B/C for Navy is not bad.
Yes, I am talking about navy. Su30s for best use of air to air , Rafale mostly for air to ground, And F35b for navy.
 
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can't understand the procurement process of ind mod.

Since FGFA is getting delayed, and Even if we sign the deal today for rafael dassault will not deliver in 2 years since their output is around 12 they already have to fulfill Egypt's and Qatar's. So no other option but to go for Pak-fa off the shelf and work on the FGFA at the same time, Russian Air force has also reduced the numbers since the economical problem.. IAF is a poor plan of procurements, Actually can't blame IAF, its the MoDs, so IAF has no option but buy pak-fa

First rafale and now cut orders of FGFA , this is indication that india is looking towards few squadrons of F35B.

They're not cutting FGFA totally... In the Name of FGFA's delay they're cutting the numbers and going for Pak-fa off the shelf while work on the FGFA goes on, once fgfa is ready we'll buy more numbers. And if ever we buy f-35 it'll be only for the Navy not IAF
 
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Still 3 times more than russia who have cut down order to 24 aircraft....
I think pak fa is in trouble
 
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Still 3 times more than russia who have cut down order to 24 aircraft....
I think pak fa is in trouble

Now with our order it'll be rescued.... Problem is the fund for the Russians
 
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Since FGFA is getting delayed, and Even if we sign the deal today for rafael dassault will not deliver in 2 years since their output is around 12 they already have to fulfill Egypt's and Qatar's. So no other option but to go for Pak-fa off the shelf and work on the FGFA at the same time, Russian Air force has also reduced the numbers since the economical problem.. IAF is a poor plan of procurements, Actually can't blame IAF, its the MoDs, so IAF has no option but buy pak-fa



They're not cutting FGFA totally... In the Name of FGFA's delay they're cutting the numbers and going for Pak-fa off the shelf while work on the FGFA goes on, once fgfa is ready we'll buy more numbers. And if ever we buy f-35 it'll be only for the Navy not IAF
so what about t-50 delivery? delivery starting from?
 
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so what about t-50 delivery? delivery starting from?

we've to sign the deal first... I think end of this year india and russia are signing the final agreement on 5th gen development, then india has to release billions from our part for R&D.. i don't know when tis deal is going to be signed, but i'll not expect anytime sooner than 2018
 
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