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So that's all you know, and you post.

Genius.
Yogesh Kumar Joshi from rang rangeela Haryana isn't he commanding your Northern command.
14 Corps Lt Gen Harinder Singh
Which holds 3rd infantary and 8th infantary div
Current strength 45000 personels.
Chill out dude its always fun pulling your sophisticated leg
 
Clear indication of how serious the threat is to regions which India had turned a blind eye to thinking it had “won”.

On the other hand, the Chinese are focusing on soaking up the emissions of every new Indian asset in the field whilst letting the impression of escalation lie on India.

Both sides are however secretly praying for a middle ground solution before this really gets out of hand.
 
they don't get much to eat, what are they supposed to shit??? :lol:

True.


T72 and T90? Lolol. Might end up like Iraqi tanks.


Our tanks were designed Specifically for high plateau warfare. These geniuses are in for a surprise.

Absolutely brother. These Indians will wake up and smell coffee when their tanks gets perished in PLA's target practice.
 
Should any hot conflict arise in the future, the lack of light tanks like the Type 15 will cost India dearly. Mark my words ... I am shocked that the Indian army still has not realized this weakness after so many years.
 
Should any hot conflict arise in the future, the lack of light tanks like the Type 15 will cost India dearly. Mark my words ... I am shocked that the Indian army still has not realized this weakness after so many years.

They realized after the Doklam encounter but as usual Indian procurement sucks.

Indian Army shows interest in light tanks for defense along Chinese border
By: Vivek Raghuvanshi   September 5, 2017
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A T-72 tank rolls along during a parade in New Delhi on Jan. 28, 2012. (Raveendran/AFP via Getty Images)

NEW DELHI ― As preparation for a possible conflict with China in high, mountainous areas, the Indian Army’s armored directorate has begun setting requirements for a small tank order, according to a source in the Ministry of Defence.

Military planners in the MoD asked the Army to draw up requirements for a light tank after China tested its homegrown light tank, Xinqingtan, which is equipped with a 105mm main gun and a 1,000-horse-power engine.

The Xinqingtan was tested in July 2017 in the Tibet region bordering India.

Currently, India only uses the Russian-made T-72 and T-90 as well as its homegrown Arjun tank, which is too heavy for the mountainous regions and is made for the desert along the border with Pakistan.

Military planners want lighter tanks that can be airlifted to elevated areas along the Chinese border, the source explained.

An Indian Army official said: “The requirement of rapidly deployable, protected and mobile fire power, which can result in precision engagement in the mountains in view of terrain and technology advantage enjoyed by China, has always remained high in the desirability matrix.”

The light tank requirements come in the wake of a standoff between India and China over a small strip of land along their borders called Doklam. The standoff, which saw soldiers from both countries standing eyeball to eyeball in the area since June, has now been resolved. Soldiers have been withdrawn, said an official with India’s Ministry of External Affairs.

The Indian Army wants its light tanks to weigh about 22 tons and be capable of operating at heights of more than 3,000 meters in hilly terrain, according to another Army official. The tanks would need to be able to penetrate highly protected armored vehicles and main battle tanks from a distance of more than 2 kilometers, as well as be able to fire highly explosive anti-tank shells and guided missiles.

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“There are some areas in the mountains where light tanks will be useful, and the Chinese are possibly trying the same (developing light tanks),” said Rahul Bhonsle, a defense analyst and retired Indian Army brigadier.

“Light tanks, which can operate in high altitude, are a better option than modified T-72 tanks,” Bhonsle added..

The Army currently has T- 72 tanks and armored personnel carriers stationed in select areas along the border with China.

The process for procuring the light tanks after the requirements are finalized will depend on how urgently they’re needed, the MoD source said.

In 2009, the Army issued a request for information for light tanks, but it was later shelved and no formal tender was issued.

The state-owned Defence Research and Development Organization has encouraged the MoD to grant it the light-tank development project. DRDO had developed a light tank in the 1990s, but the project was closed in 1994 due to a lack of demand within the Army.

”The DRDO project can be revived; however, this will have to be undertaken jointly with the Indian Army so that there is user confidence and assurance of support,” Bhonsle said.

The Indian Army has about 4,000 tanks, including the T-72 and T-90 tanks as well as the Arjun tanks, 248 of which have been contracted and of which 118 have been delivered.

https://www.defensenews.com/land/20...light-tanks-for-defense-along-chinese-border/
 
Keep building your theoretical constructs, while the Indian Army continues its practical work. Are you seriously thinking that Indian Army artillery personnel don't know what you know? I lived about 15 to 20 kms from one in the plains and I have an idea of the kind of work that went into those ranges. They have another range in the high mountains. What do you think they are doing there? Playing golf?



He's talking about weather and altitude adjustments. But he thinks nobody else knows these things, not even artillery professionals.

Where do they dig up these guys?
Indian soldiers certainly know the problem, but they are not government officials and cannot buy so many shells.
Just as Indian soldiers certainly know that good logistics supplies can save lives, but the Indian government did not purchase a hyperbaric oxygen tank, which killed 17 soldiers. Soldiers also know that eating a big meal can supplement their physical fitness, but the Indian government gives them food for pigs.
What does your government look like, are you unclear?
You just need to figure out how much supporting ammunition your government purchased when buying foreign weapons, such as T-72 and M777, instead of quibbling
 
Can al zarras be used in deosai plains like area...i knw its out of topic?
Well u Move more of assets from our border its a blessing for us in coming days.once the war of india china starts india has to move alot to save her ***.then we will hit u from inside and outside IA
 
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Both sides are however secretly praying for a middle ground solution before this really gets out of hand.

No, Xi is looking for war, he is determined on this one due to the criticism he faced on Doklam
 
And i assume you are experienced in this methodology?

Then you must also known how artillery crews respond to terrain including the role of FDC and FO coordination, or are youbsaying the PLA needs to fire tens of thousands of shells to see where there rounds land, that would be weird for rest of the world.

Usually we talk terminology like milliradians and azimuth rather than high school geography terms like angles and pressures lol.

But then again, I guess the PLA fires 10k rounds at each gun laying to figure where to fire lol.

Also most of the armies use a computer and a GPs as well, you might let pla know before they fore another 10 k rounds into the dust lol.
When knowing the flight parameters of the projectile under plateau conditions, of course, you can use a computer to simulate the trajectory
However, the cannonball experimental shooting is to measure the flight parameters of the cannonball. Without these parameters, how to calculate the trajectory with a computer?
 
No, Xi is looking for war, he is determined on this one due to the criticism he faced on Doklam
But he already got the victory he wanted though? Over 20 Indians killed and 60 captured ... isn't that alone enough of an accomplishment to make war unnecessary :what:
 
No, Xi is looking for war, he is determined on this one due to the criticism he faced on Doklam

God bless Xi.

:pakistan::china:

But he already got the victory he wanted though? Over 20 Indians killed and 60 captured ... isn't that alone enough of an accomplishment to make war unnecessary :what:

No. Xi wants to totally neutralize the Indian threat before focusing on Taiwan and SCS.
 
Yogesh Kumar Joshi from rang rangeela Haryana isn't he commanding your Northern command.
14 Corps Lt Gen Harinder Singh
Which holds 3rd infantary and 8th infantary div
Current strength 45000 personels.
Chill out dude its always fun pulling your sophisticated leg

So now you know.

There are already two infantry (or infantary, if you prefer) divisions there. However, since 8 Infantry Division looks after the stretch Dras-Kargil-Batalik, additional troops were brought in, without compromising existing deployment.

If you have got what my sophisticated leg and I were trying to drive into your, um, cranium, the Chinese did not bring in two Mechanised Infantry Divisions against a thin sprinkling of border guards; they reinforced their thin sprinkling of border guards with two divisions normally deployed elsewhere, leaving those locations vacant.

Now figure out what a fully equipped anti-tank infantry division will do against mechanised infantry (that normally has an armoured component built into it).

Get it, genius?

That's what we say of the termites from your country infesting PDF with their BS!

Long term residents of PDF would prefer citizens of other countries to stick to their own countries, and not wander in on weekends to fight to the last Pakistani. Or Indian.

T72 and T90? Lolol. Might end up like Iraqi tanks.


Our tanks were designed Specifically for high plateau warfare. These geniuses are in for a surprise.

I love it when fanboys get technical.

What do tanks designed specifically for high plateau warfare have in particular? Greater lung capacity? They are lighter armoured, and have smaller bore guns, if they are designed as light tanks, and will cave in like Chaffees did against Centurions. Ask an educated deeper-than-the-sea friend to explain this one to you.

Iraqi tanks were taken out by the USAF that pretty much achieved air domination. So it seems that you are going to pull out your front-line planes from the Taiwan front and from the South China Seas oriented bases to face SAM batteries and front-line planes in Ladakh.

This surprised genius wishes he was not surprised so regularly by the other sort.
 
So now you know.

There are already two infantry (or infantary, if you prefer) divisions there. However, since 8 Infantry Division looks after the stretch Dras-Kargil-Batalik, additional troops were brought in, without compromising existing deployment.

If you have got what my sophisticated leg and I were trying to drive into your, um, cranium, the Chinese did not bring in two Mechanised Infantry Divisions against a thin sprinkling of border guards; they reinforced their thin sprinkling of border guards with two divisions normally deployed elsewhere, leaving those locations vacant.

Now figure out what a fully equipped anti-tank infantry division will do against mechanised infantry (that normally has an armoured component built into it).

Get it, genius?



Long term residents of PDF would prefer citizens of other countries to stick to their own countries, and not wander in on weekends to fight to the last Pakistani. Or Indian.



I love it when fanboys get technical.

What do tanks designed specifically for high plateau warfare have in particular? Greater lung capacity? They are lighter armoured, and have smaller bore guns, if they are designed as light tanks, and will cave in like Chaffees did against Centurions. Ask an educated deeper-than-the-sea friend to explain this one to you.

Iraqi tanks were taken out by the USAF that pretty much achieved air domination. So it seems that you are going to pull out your front-line planes from the Taiwan front and from the South China Seas oriented bases to face SAM batteries and front-line planes in Ladakh.

This surprised genius wishes he was not surprised so regularly by the other sort.
Yup, highjly technical ppl like you think using T72s on the plateau makes sense? LOL

One weights 50t with 700hp another weights 30t with 1000hp and that does not include special system against coolant freeze and digitized control
 
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Indian soldiers certainly know the problem, but they are not government officials and cannot buy so many shells.
Just as Indian soldiers certainly know that good logistics supplies can save lives, but the Indian government did not purchase a hyperbaric oxygen tank, which killed 17 soldiers. Soldiers also know that eating a big meal can supplement their physical fitness, but the Indian government gives them food for pigs.
What does your government look like, are you unclear?
You just need to figure out how much supporting ammunition your government purchased when buying foreign weapons, such as T-72 and M777, instead of quibbling

One more add-hot-water-and-stir military genius!

If you had bothered to learn, my service was in aerospace and software for avionics. I do know a little bit, more than some smart-alec on an internet forum, about government procurement policies. A substantial amount of balancing equipment and ammunition are built into the purchase price; amounts are decided by the service people, not by the defence procurement staff.

A hyperbaric oxygen tank is needed for troops that have not gone through acclimatisation, a perennial problem with the PLA that has a policy of re-deploying troops from a central point or central points within military districts to that point on the borders where they are needed in each case. We have all seen propaganda pictures of soldiers in full uniform sitting in civilian airliners; such troops rushed in at short notice are not acclimatised, and need this equipment to stay alive. Please take the trouble of finding out the normal process of acclimatisation that Indian Army troops go through on deployment to a high altitude location. They are given several weeks to acclimatise.

So now you know what hyperbaric tanks are for.

Our soldiers died of exposure to extreme low temperatures, and to remaining unrescued in mountain streams after the assault on them by Chinese Border Guards. Hyperbaric tanks would have done nothing for them.

It is really surprising when people with little or no knowledge offer resounding technical opinions about a situation that they know nothing about, concerning an opposing army that they know less than nothing about.

Yup, highjly technical ppl like you think using T72s on the plateau makes sense?lol

If you have a point to make, make it, by all means. Do not repeat something I have said with an air of incredulity. By now, we have learnt that when you don't know what to say, you just use words as a smokescreen. It doesn't work after the first two or three times.

T72 tanks are designed from the first sketch onwards for operation in cold conditions. Those that we have in the desert actually have to be modified for hot weather conditions. These Russian tanks, the T-72 and the T-90, are actually in terms of temperature compatibility very well-suited to conditions in Ladakh.

The PLA GF needed a light tank for no other reason than for their need to be able to airlift tanks and other mobile equipment to a point of need. It has nothing to do with a high plateau. Try not to be fooled by your own propaganda.
 

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