IAF against Army aviation brigades

[Rafi]

You're a moron.

The IA has operated SAR and Utility helicopters for a long time. This turf war is about the AAC operating helicopters in a combat role (i.e anti-tank combat helicopters etc). The USAF DOES NOT and I know this for a fact, it does NOT operate combat helicopters. (nothing beyond machine/mini guns attached to an utility helicopter).

Why are you insulting him, post reported.

 

[harpoon]

yes dear USAF fly on choppers

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simple list show some 250 choppers

May be I just made a sweeping statement. Yes USAF operates choppers thats a small percentage of what Army, Navy & Marines operates and its mainly for VIP transport or Search & Rescue. The principal user of helicopters remains the Army and Marines.

 

[Lancers19]

frankly spkg.as a Pakistani i am happy that the IA has to go in that lengthy procedure of requesting air support from IAF.it is time consuming and most imp of all the AF has its own list if priorities and they provide the support accordingly,However logically spkg.IA should have its independent air wing which should sustain all IA reqs.

 

[5ever]

Why are you insulting him, post reported.

Daww did his feelings get hurt?

 

[Abingdonboy]

Do USAF flies choppers? No

Do RAF flies choppers? No

Then why IAF is insisting on flying them?

Anyways how many choppers does PAF flies.

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Flying in India is the unique skill set of IAF..they don't want to lose it.

Actually USAF operates a few helos, mainly for CSAR (HH-60G) and for supporting SOFs (CV-22).

Whilst the RAF operates most of the heavier helos such as the Chinook, Merlin and Puma. The British army actually operates very few helos.

 

[ApparentRaceTraitor]

Gawd this is like two toddlers fighting over lego blocks.

Either increase interoperability between both arms of the armed forces, or give the army what it wants.

 

[Black Widow]

IAF against Army aviation brigades

The Indian Air Force (IAF) has staunchly opposed the Army’s move to constitute aviation brigades, that will comprise a squadron each of attack helicopters, in its various Army corps, saying the move is a violation of the current government policy dating back to 1986.

Well-placed sources told this newspaper, “A government policy document of 1986 clearly lays down the equipment that each service will have. The Army move to constitute aviation brigades with attack helicopters is neither feasible nor in line with current policy. When the IAF is providing all support in terms of attack helicopters, where is the need for this? Besides, the costs are prohibitive. Where is the money for all this?” Sources further added, “If the Army feels that it wants to go ahead with this plan, it should approach the government (for a change in policy). Otherwise, even some of the paramilitary organisations in future can come up with their own wish lists for attack helicopters and other equipment.” The IAF, however, has supported the Navy’s plans for enhancement of its aviation assets, saying the Navy’s case is “justified since it has off-shore assets to guard”. The IAF’s objections to the Army’s move show that the Army-IAF turf war over aviation assets is far from over. It also shows that amid talk of synergy, the Army and IAF are not on the same page on such an important issue which has strategic implications. It may be recalled that the Indian Army had recently validated the concept of “aviation brigades” in its latest battlefield exercise and now wants attack helicopters of its own to provide aerial support to its tanks and advancing troops in a battle scenario. The Army concept of aviation brigades was validated in the recently-held exercise Sudarshan Shakti. As per the Army’s plans, each aviation brigade in future is to constitute three squadrons of helicopters. One squadron will comprise helicopters used for air-lifting heavy equipment, the second will be used for recce purposes while the third squadron in will perform the most crucial task of providing air support to the advancing battle-tanks.

IAF against Army aviation brigades | Deccan Chronicle

Son of crazy D0gs. As HAL is not providing prostitute and heavy kick back to these bas$%^d they are killing there project. Here is less credible but worth blog from PSG how These D0gs are killing our indigenous programs... Some time I hate these Dalals...



It is not the Ministry of Defence-owned Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd (HAL) that has screwed up, but it is the Indian Air Force (IAF) that has deliberately sabotaged the development of what was originally envisaged as India’s homegrown light attack helicopter (LAH) by, on one hand, vehemently opposing the induction of such a weapons platform by the Indian Army’s Aviation Corps (AAC), and on the other by drafting a ridiculous ASQR that has now permanently changed the helicopter’s design/performance parameters from those of a LAH to those for a Light Combat Helicopter (LCH). The MoD-owned Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd (HAL), which has been associated with the tedious and long-drawn process of designing, developing and series-producing the ‘Dhruv’ advanced light helicopter, had all along believed that the ‘Dhruv’ 5-tonne multi-role light medium twin-engined design does not represent a zero-sum game, that it is possible to wrap a slim, tandem-seat fuselage around the existing twin-engined powerplant, transmission and rotor systems of this proven helicopter and derive two distinct derivatives: a multi-task LAH; and a single-engined armed aeroscout-cum light utility machine (LOH/LUH) capable of operating in the plains (for operating in tandem with fast-moving mechanised and armoured formations) and over jungle terrain in support of special operations forces, and also taking part in combat search-and-rescue operations. Yet, since early 2003, the IAF kept insisting that the AAC’s requirement for LAHs was unjustifiable (since the IAF already operated a fleet of attack helicopters like the Mi-35P and Mi-25) and its views ultimately prevailed over the MoD, which ruled that not only would the LAH option be axed in favour of the LCH, but the AAC’s existing and projected fleets of LOHs would have to synchronise their flight operations with the IAF’s existing and projected attack helicopter fleets. When Army HQ protested to the MoD, a face-saving compromise was arrived at, this being that the AAC was authorised to acquire 76 ‘Dhruv Mk4’/’Rudra’ helicopter gunships that would, in essence, entail the needless modification of the ‘Dhruv’ utility helicopter into an armed machine capable of housing no more than four anti-armour guided-missiles (this being the DRDO HELINA, which remains elusive till this day and may eventually be replaced by either the Spike-ER from RAFAEL of Israel, or the PARS-3LR from MBDA), or an alternate armaments package comprising a chin-mounted 20mm THL-20 cannon supplied by Nexter Systems, twin rocket pods housing 2.75-inch rockets supplied by Belgium’s FZ, and four Mistral ATAM air-to-air missiles from MBDA. Needless to say, the decision to develop the ‘Rudra’ was not only financially unwise, but it is also unlikely to translate into any operational gains for the Army. All this could have been easily avoided had the MoD mandated that both the Army and IAF HQs formulate a joint services staff requirement (JSQR) for HAL to develop two tandem-seat attack helicopter variants: the LAH for the AAC and LCH for the IAF.[/COLOR]

 

[lilaspr]

yes dear USAF fly on choppers

List of active United States military aircraft - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


simple list show some 250 choppers

Thank you for share, after looking it closely no wonder why USA is most powerful.
I think China, Russia and India together can also not match to US Military strength.