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India's First Indigenous Carrier Faces Delays, Cost Growth

NEW DELHI — While India claims that its first home-built carrier, the Vikrant, will be fully operational by 2018, Indian Navy sources say that date is closer to 2020 since the ship is only about 30 percent complete.

On Aug. 12, India’s first indigenous aircraft carrier (IAC-1) will be launched nearly four years behind schedule. The ship is being built by state-owned Cochin Shipyard Limited at Kochi in southern India.

The aircraft carrier will be floated out of dry dock, then redocked in order to mount the propulsion system. Work will then begin on the deck and the weapon systems before sea trials. And while Defence Ministry officials say those trials will begin by 2016, Indian Navy sources say it will not be before 2018-19.

“Launch merely means they will float the IAC-1 from the dry dock [to outfit the interior],, which includes laying of pipes, and after that it will be dry docked again for integration of propulsion systems,” an Indian Navy source said

Not only will Vikrant’s induction be delayed, but sources add that the total cost of the carrier will be more than US $5 billion, including the aircraft and weapons systems. When the project was approved in 2003, the ship was estimated to cost around $500 million. Sources said the construction of the carrier, minus the weapon systems and aircraft, will cost more than $2.2 billion.

Indian Navy spokesman Cmdr. P.V. Satish insisted that IAC-1 will be inducted in 2018.

“First and foremost, it needs to be understood that constructing an aircraft carrier is a very complex task. At the time of keel laying of the IAC in 2009, it was estimated that the ship would be delivered by 2014-15,” he said. “However, due to delays in arrival of some machinery from foreign sources, which are essential prior to the launch of the ship, the Phase I launch of the ship has been delayed by around three years. There have been certain other delays also in finalizing the detailed design aspects due to uniqueness of the systems. Things are now in place and we look forward to a targeted delivery by 2018.”

Indian Navy sources countered that at the time of the launch, only the hull and the outer structure will be completed, about 30 percent of the total work needed for the carrier.

After laying piping, the carrier will be redocked to mount the gear box, hydraulic systems, generator systems and propulsion system.

Work will then focus on the hangar deck for aircraft, berthing spaces for 1,400 sailors, boiler room and the flight deck.

Before sea trials, workers will install the Israeli-made Barak air defense system, multi-function radar system, A630 close-in weapon system and combat management system, the sources added.

An Indian Navy official said this ship will be able to stop attacks from enemy aircraft and will have anti-submarine defense systems. All systems on board will be integrated through a combat management system.

The Vikrant will be 262 meters long and be able to accommodate around 30 aircraft, including helicopters.

“IAC-1 features a STOBAR [short take-off but arrested recovery] configuration with a ski-jump. The deck is designed to enable aircraft such as the MiG-29 to operate from the carrier. It will deploy up to 20 fixed-wing aircraft, primarily the Mikoyan MiG-29K and the naval variant of indigenous Tejas Mark 2, besides carrying 10 Kamov Ka-31 helicopters,” the Indian Navy official said.

The Navy plans to have three aircraft carriers; a final decision is awaited on the IAC-2, which would be another homemade carrier but would displace more than 60,000 tons, 20,000 tons more than Vikrant. IAC-2 is still in the design stage but will have a catapult deck.

“IAC-2 is currently on the design board. Various feasibility options for the carrier are presently being pursued. Detailed study on the type and complement of aircraft and the ships’ propulsion options is being progressed to further narrow down design options,” Satish said.

Despite the delays and ballooning cost of IAC-1, defense planners, Indian Navy officials and analysts agree that India must build — not import — its carriers.

“Getting modern carriers in the open market is not easy. Our experience with Vikramaditya [Russian-made Admiral Gorshkov] is evidence,” said Probal Ghosh, senior fellow, Observer Research Foundation, adding that the Navy should now concentrate on IAC-2 and begin construction as soon as possible.

“Personally, I don’t think India should look toward procuring an aircraft carrier from abroad. Indigenous development with foreign collaboration, transfer of technology in certain areas where we may not have the expertise as yet would be far more prudent,” said Anil Jai Singh, retired Indian Navy commodore and vice president of the National Maritime Foundation.

Having three carriers allows one to be stationed on each of India’s coasts, while the third would undergo repairs or perform other duties such as training.

“The Navy has a clearly spelt-out capability plan which factors a balanced growth and includes a plan to have two carrier battle groups,” Satish said. “This will naturally entail having three carriers with requisite support ships to form a battle group. All the components are equally important.”

India's First Indigenous Carrier Faces Delays, Cost Growth | Defense News | defensenews.com

When you do big things, delays are part and parcel of it. I am doing way smaller things than this, like I manage product deliveries for our customer and I am deeply involved in planning, tracking, risk mitigation etc. I know in-spite of all the best efforts we put we still get delayed. The go-live dates gets pushed. I have seen this for around 15 years and more than 5 years being part of management team who drives the project. So delay is part of the game, it is an issue that is bound to occur and if it does not happen, there is something wrong with the program or you are doing things you have done too many times before.

So list any project that was taken first time and not got delayed?
 
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When you do big things, delays are part and parcel of it. I am doing way smaller things than this, like I manage product deliveries for our customer and I am deeply involved in planning, tracking, risk mitigation etc. I know in-spite of all the best efforts we put we still get delayed. The go-live dates gets pushed. I have seen this for around 15 years and more than 5 years being part of management team who drives the project. So delay is part of the game, it is an issue that is bound to occur and if it does not happen, there is something wrong with the program or you are doing things you have done too many times before.

So list any project that was taken first time and not got delayed?

No doubt delays are part and parcel of complex projects however it seems every project in India gets delayed regardless of it being complex or simple. Even equipment you wish to procure from foreign countries gets delayed and price hike is the result. Remember you have not even decided about MRCA and its 2013. Original plans envisaged first deliveries somewhere in 2014-15 now it seems these shall be in 2017-18.
 
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India's First Indigenous Carrier Faces Delays, Cost Growth

NEW DELHI — While India claims that its first home-built carrier, the Vikrant, will be fully operational by 2018, Indian Navy sources say that date is closer to 2020 since the ship is only about 30 percent complete.

On Aug. 12, India’s first indigenous aircraft carrier (IAC-1) will be launched nearly four years behind schedule. The ship is being built by state-owned Cochin Shipyard Limited at Kochi in southern India.

The aircraft carrier will be floated out of dry dock, then redocked in order to mount the propulsion system. Work will then begin on the deck and the weapon systems before sea trials. And while Defence Ministry officials say those trials will begin by 2016, Indian Navy sources say it will not be before 2018-19.

“Launch merely means they will float the IAC-1 from the dry dock [to outfit the interior],, which includes laying of pipes, and after that it will be dry docked again for integration of propulsion systems,” an Indian Navy source said

Not only will Vikrant’s induction be delayed, but sources add that the total cost of the carrier will be more than US $5 billion, including the aircraft and weapons systems. When the project was approved in 2003, the ship was estimated to cost around $500 million. Sources said the construction of the carrier, minus the weapon systems and aircraft, will cost more than $2.2 billion.

Indian Navy spokesman Cmdr. P.V. Satish insisted that IAC-1 will be inducted in 2018.

“First and foremost, it needs to be understood that constructing an aircraft carrier is a very complex task. At the time of keel laying of the IAC in 2009, it was estimated that the ship would be delivered by 2014-15,” he said. “However, due to delays in arrival of some machinery from foreign sources, which are essential prior to the launch of the ship, the Phase I launch of the ship has been delayed by around three years. There have been certain other delays also in finalizing the detailed design aspects due to uniqueness of the systems. Things are now in place and we look forward to a targeted delivery by 2018.”

Indian Navy sources countered that at the time of the launch, only the hull and the outer structure will be completed, about 30 percent of the total work needed for the carrier.

After laying piping, the carrier will be redocked to mount the gear box, hydraulic systems, generator systems and propulsion system.

Work will then focus on the hangar deck for aircraft, berthing spaces for 1,400 sailors, boiler room and the flight deck.

Before sea trials, workers will install the Israeli-made Barak air defense system, multi-function radar system, A630 close-in weapon system and combat management system, the sources added.

An Indian Navy official said this ship will be able to stop attacks from enemy aircraft and will have anti-submarine defense systems. All systems on board will be integrated through a combat management system.

The Vikrant will be 262 meters long and be able to accommodate around 30 aircraft, including helicopters.

“IAC-1 features a STOBAR [short take-off but arrested recovery] configuration with a ski-jump. The deck is designed to enable aircraft such as the MiG-29 to operate from the carrier. It will deploy up to 20 fixed-wing aircraft, primarily the Mikoyan MiG-29K and the naval variant of indigenous Tejas Mark 2, besides carrying 10 Kamov Ka-31 helicopters,” the Indian Navy official said.

The Navy plans to have three aircraft carriers; a final decision is awaited on the IAC-2, which would be another homemade carrier but would displace more than 60,000 tons, 20,000 tons more than Vikrant. IAC-2 is still in the design stage but will have a catapult deck.

“IAC-2 is currently on the design board. Various feasibility options for the carrier are presently being pursued. Detailed study on the type and complement of aircraft and the ships’ propulsion options is being progressed to further narrow down design options,” Satish said.

Despite the delays and ballooning cost of IAC-1, defense planners, Indian Navy officials and analysts agree that India must build — not import — its carriers.

“Getting modern carriers in the open market is not easy. Our experience with Vikramaditya [Russian-made Admiral Gorshkov] is evidence,” said Probal Ghosh, senior fellow, Observer Research Foundation, adding that the Navy should now concentrate on IAC-2 and begin construction as soon as possible.

“Personally, I don’t think India should look toward procuring an aircraft carrier from abroad. Indigenous development with foreign collaboration, transfer of technology in certain areas where we may not have the expertise as yet would be far more prudent,” said Anil Jai Singh, retired Indian Navy commodore and vice president of the National Maritime Foundation.

Having three carriers allows one to be stationed on each of India’s coasts, while the third would undergo repairs or perform other duties such as training.

“The Navy has a clearly spelt-out capability plan which factors a balanced growth and includes a plan to have two carrier battle groups,” Satish said. “This will naturally entail having three carriers with requisite support ships to form a battle group. All the components are equally important.”

India's First Indigenous Carrier Faces Delays, Cost Growth | Defense News | defensenews.com

Areyy Yaar.. What more do you want ? When u see a A/C 70% completed in 2013 ? More over its nearly 5years to go . Its more than Enough i guess its including delay . Even if its by 2020 India will be very Happy to have Home Grown 45,000 T A/C with Tejas and Mig-29 on Board . Why are u so worried ?
 
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No doubt delays are part and parcel of complex projects however it seems every project in India gets delayed regardless of it being complex or simple. Even equipment you wish to procure from foreign countries gets delayed and price hike is the result. Remember you have not even decided about MRCA and its 2013. Original plans envisaged first deliveries somewhere in 2014-15 now it seems these shall be in 2017-18.

Sir Ji Why are u so pathetic about Indian Defence procurment ? As far as MMRCA is concerned India has nothing to worry , When we have Su 30 mki on Bulk plus India is also pushing its horns for Tejas IOC2 . Rafale deal will be signed soon as ToT and other other problems will be sorted out. Rafale already decreased it french Airforce order to deliver MMRCA for Indian Airfirce . Though MMRCA had a trouble with Hal patnership deal is going smooth at other points of the contract So leave it to MoD of India too decide on Rafale . IAC 1 is not a Tug Boat . Its 45,000 T Metal . Its our first move and we can proudly say that we did it . Even thou with delays . What is wrong with it ? Even Arihant is ready , Second Nuclear Sub is already built and it will ready by next year . It shows the second line of production will be musch faster than the First . So INS VISHAL will see better time line . Please try to see with open mind . Nothing will happen if u shout on PDF ! Things will go as it is . Its a big Acheivement for India .
 
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No doubt delays are part and parcel of complex projects however it seems every project in India gets delayed regardless of it being complex or simple.

Nowadays a lot of defence projects are getting delayed and price hiked all across the world.

Even equipment you wish to procure from foreign countries gets delayed and price hike is the result.

No price hike in C-17, C-130J, P-8I, BrahMos, Mi-17, etc. Foreign deals getting price hiked has to do with the economic situation in the foreign country as well.

Remember you have not even decided about MRCA and its 2013.

Ofcourse we have decided, we have already selected Rafale haven't we?

Original plans envisaged first deliveries somewhere in 2014-15 now it seems these shall be in 2017-18.

What do you make of PAF originally planning to buy 275 JF-17s, and then the number dropping to 250, and then dropping to just 150??

In India, if price goes up, we have the money to pay more to receive exactly what we wanted to have (price escalation was there in Gorshkov, Scorpene etc.; but did we give up or reduce numbers? No. So where is the problem?), but in Pakistan, if you wanted something in a said quantity that you cannot afford, you simply give it up or reduce the numbers drastically.

So who is the one to be in a cash-strapped situation?

Learn to prioritize your concerns and worry about your own country's
worsening economic situation first.
 
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Did see a new in local malayalam channel on induction of Iac1 and could see the Vikrant written in it... Tell you what it looked majestic.....:smitten:
 
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Areyy Yaar.. What more do you want ? When u see a A/C 70% completed in 2013 ? More over its nearly 5years to go . Its more than Enough i guess its including delay . Even if its by 2020 India will be very Happy to have Home Grown 45,000 T A/C with Tejas and Mig-29 on Board . Why are u so worried ?

The A/C is about 30% complete from where did you get the 70% figure.
 
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