I would call our country 'Buddhist India': PM Modi

[Anubis]

If you do not have proof that something does not exist then how can you with possible believe it does not exist without blind faith. All you have the right to do is say you do not know if you claim to be honest. Anything else is belief and makes you a believer. You may not put your faith upon its existence and lead your life as if it's existence or lack of existence does not matter but you cannot go around claiming that it does not exist either.



Nah, lack of belief does not work similar to faith and belief. That is why they assume on themselves the mantle of rationality. It requires proof. At the best you may consider the subject irrelevant since it does not affect your daily life, but you cannot claim for or against its existence with any certainty that you do.

There is the problem...there is no Scientific way to disprove ANYTHING! You can't disprove anything at all...but we have to come to conclusions based on available data...you can't disprove that Unicorns exist...You can't disprove Russell's teapot either.
Russell's teapot - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Funny, how people with zero knowledge of physics deduce so much from a YouTube video.

“Every great scientific truth goes through three phases. First, people deny it. Second, they say it conflicts with the Bible. Third, they say they’ve known it all along.” —Neil Degrasse Tyson
Its the third stage!

 

[Samudra Manthan]

There is the problem...there is no Scientific way to disprove ANYTHING! You can't disprove anything at all...but we have to come to conclusions based on available data...you can't disprove that Unicorns exist...You can't disprove Russell's teapot either.
Russell's teapot - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

So all you get is the right to say you do not know. You cannot claim a set of belief on your ability of not disproving it.

“Every great scientific truth goes through three phases. First, people deny it. Second, they say it conflicts with the Bible. Third, they say they’ve known it all along.” —Neil Degrasse Tyson
Its the third stage!

Hindus never denied it first. There is no instance of Hinduism being in conflict with science or persecuting scientists for anything ever. We never said it conflicts with any of our scriptures. Third, since the first two of your contentions have been refuted, it is time to say your third contention is refuted too.

Maya (illusion) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Hendrick Vroom explains, "The term Maya has been translated as 'illusion,' but then it does not concern normal illusion. Here 'illusion' does not mean that the world is not real and simply a figment of the human imagination. Maya means that the world is not as it seems; the world that one experiences is misleading as far as its true nature is concerned."[28] Lynn Foulston states, "The world is both real and unreal because it exists but is 'not what it appears to be'

“Every great scientific truth goes through three phases. First, people deny it. Second, they say it conflicts with the Bible. Third, they say they’ve known it all along.” —Neil Degrasse Tyson
Its the third stage!

Development of Quantum Mechanics

In the 5th century of the current era, there was a bitter argument in India between the Sankhya Hindus and the Buddhists about the nature of Universal Flux. Debates were held which lasted for days, and would attract huge crowds. According to the Buddhists:

The phenomena consist of an infinity of discrete moments following one another almost without intervals.... There is no matter at all, flashes of energy follow one another and produce the illusion of stabilized phenomena. The universe is a staccato movement.

while according to the Hindus:

The phenomena are nothing but waves or fluctuations standing out upon the background of an eternal, all-pervading undifferentiated Matter with which they are identical. The universe represents a legato movement.

Reference: F. Theodor Stcherbatsky, Buddhist Logic, Vol I, pg 83.

Even allowing for the possibility that Schrödinger's Wave Mechanics may have been influenced by Hindu philosophy, the parallels between the Buddhist-Hindu argument and the Heisenberg-Schrödinger aesthetic clash are striking.

Discussion

 

[Anubis]

So all you get is the right to say you do not know. You cannot claim a set of belief on your ability of not disproving it.



Hindus never denied it first. There is no instance of Hinduism being in conflict with science or persecuting scientists for anything ever. We never said it conflicts with any of our scriptures. Third, since the first two of your contentions have been refuted, it is time to say your third contention is refuted too.

Maya (illusion) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Hendrick Vroom explains, "The term Maya has been translated as 'illusion,' but then it does not concern normal illusion. Here 'illusion' does not mean that the world is not real and simply a figment of the human imagination. Maya means that the world is not as it seems; the world that one experiences is misleading as far as its true nature is concerned."[28] Lynn Foulston states, "The world is both real and unreal because it exists but is 'not what it appears to be'

Dude since nothing cannot be Scientifically disproven belief and non-belief has to be based upon available data...the more evidence something has the more probability it has of being true...since god has close to zero evidence....the probability of his existence is also close to zero....that's how belief is structured....only fools are certain of anything...science is about uncertainty...gravitation might be wrong....evolution might be wrong...but the available evidence says it is true...so we take it for truth....when a counter evidence we will do away with that idea and form a new one...there is no certainty..probability for anything is never 0 or 1...it is always in between!
and about the Maya thing.."the world" is macroscopic....uncertainty principle applies for the quantum world...when you try to project UP in the macroscopic world it becomes a paradox(Schrodinger's cat)...vague religious and philosophical statements can be interpreted for anything...just like you statement can be interpreted to be a solipsist argument.

 

[Samudra Manthan]

Dude since nothing cannot be Scientifically disproven belief and non-belief has to be based upon available data...the more evidence something has the more probability it has of being true...since god has close to zero evidence....the probability of his existence is also close to zero....that's how belief is structured....only fools are certain of anything...science is about uncertainty...gravitation might be wrong....evolution might be wrong...but the available evidence says it is true...so we take it for truth....when a counter evidence we will do away with that idea and form a new one...there is no certainty..probability for anything is never 0 or 1...it is always in between!
and about the Maya thing.."the world" is macroscopic....uncertainty principle applies for the quantum world...when you try to project UP in the macroscopic world it becomes a paradox(Schrodinger's cat)...vague religious and philosophical statements can be interpreted for anything...just like you statement can be interpreted to be a solipsist argument.

All your arguments are based on uncertainty. Given this uncertainty, you have no right to claim you have the truth.

The quantum world is the underlying reality, the building block of the macroscopic world which is why the macroscopic world gets called an illusion in Hinduism/Buddhism or a computer simulation according to honest physicists. These are not vague religious or philosophical statements.

Development of Quantum Mechanics

In the 5th century of the current era, there was a bitter argument in India between the Sankhya Hindus and the Buddhists about the nature of Universal Flux. Debates were held which lasted for days, and would attract huge crowds. According to the Buddhists:
The phenomena consist of an infinity of discrete moments following one another almost without intervals.... There is no matter at all, flashes of energy follow one another and produce the illusion of stabilized phenomena. The universe is a staccato movement.

while according to the Hindus:

The phenomena are nothing but waves or fluctuations standing out upon the background of an eternal, all-pervading undifferentiated Matter with which they are identical. The universe represents a legato movement.

Reference: F. Theodor Stcherbatsky, Buddhist Logic, Vol I, pg 83.

Even allowing for the possibility that Schrödinger's Wave Mechanics may have been influenced by Hindu philosophy, the parallels between the Buddhist-Hindu argument and the Heisenberg-Schrödinger aesthetic clash are striking.

 

[Skull and Bones]

The person presenting the youtube video was much more qualified than you and in my opinion will always remain so. He deduces at the end of the video that the existence of 1 universe is a mathematical impossibility. Either it is 0 or a multiverse scenario. Multiverse being for all practical purposes irrelevant. So 0 universe it is.

Yet, not a single experimentally verified data to suggest the same. And multiverse theory is very much a possibility, and that can be deduced the chaotic inflation theory, that is why scientists are busy is mapping the expansion of the universe and looking at the primordial gravitational waves.

 

[Anubis]

All your arguments are based on uncertainty. Given this uncertainty, you have no right to claim you have the truth.

The quantum world is the underlying reality, the building block of the macroscopic world which is why the macroscopic world gets called an illusion in Hinduism/Buddhism or a computer simulation according to honest physicists. These are not value religious or philosophical statements.

Development of Quantum Mechanics

In the 5th century of the current era, there was a bitter argument in India between the Sankhya Hindus and the Buddhists about the nature of Universal Flux. Debates were held which lasted for days, and would attract huge crowds. According to the Buddhists:
The phenomena consist of an infinity of discrete moments following one another almost without intervals.... There is no matter at all, flashes of energy follow one another and produce the illusion of stabilized phenomena. The universe is a staccato movement.

while according to the Hindus:

The phenomena are nothing but waves or fluctuations standing out upon the background of an eternal, all-pervading undifferentiated Matter with which they are identical. The universe represents a legato movement.

Reference: F. Theodor Stcherbatsky, Buddhist Logic, Vol I, pg 83.

Even allowing for the possibility that Schrödinger's Wave Mechanics may have been influenced by Hindu philosophy, the parallels between the Buddhist-Hindu argument and the Heisenberg-Schrödinger aesthetic clash are striking.

Quantum physics does not work that way buddy...sub atomic particles show a lot of properties that macroscopic objects do not.....a cell is different from the human body....a brick is not a house...so just because something is a building block for something does not necessarily imply that they will share the same properties...again when you are talking about computer simulation you are talking about solipsism...not quantum mechanics!
And quantum world appears to be an illusion because humans are not 'hardwired' to understand it...when physicists say it is illusive they do not say that the world we live in is an illusion or that it does not exist.....they just mean laws of quantum physics do not conform with newtonian laws....if you have any interest of physics yous should probably learn to distinct between physics and metaphysics!

 

[jamahir]

Did these buddishts misbehaved with any girl? which mislead Khilji to attack the fort of empire?

naughty boy... you make such connections !!

...may be you are too ignorant or Khiliji was too stupid who unable distinguish between fort and university.

okay.

 

[ranjeet]

naughty boy... you make such connections !!
.

you are one of the best person to troll

 

[jamahir]

Regardless of whether you personally would have considered the Buddha a prophet, not many other Muslims would have agreed.

leave that to me... i will convince them sooner or later.

it is calm and methodical people like me who effect changes, big or small, local or global, sooner or later.

Err...what is the point & what does it have to do with Pushyamitra Shunga?

i am fatigued by the hate i received to answer this now.

 

[Samudra Manthan]

Yet, not a single experimentally verified data to suggest the same. And multiverse theory is very much a possibility, and that can be deduced the chaotic inflation theory, that is why scientists are busy is mapping the expansion of the universe and looking at the primordial gravitational waves.

Just like gravity which is yet to be proved too. Multiverse or 0 universe are the only possibilities if we are to believe Math is the language and structure of the universe and explains truthfully the reality as it is.

 

[jamahir]

you are one of the best person to troll

a honor, i suppose.

 

[Skull and Bones]

Just like gravity which is yet to be proved too. Multiverse or 0 universe are the only possibilities if we are to believe Math is the language and structure of the universe and explains truthfully the reality as it is.

There's a simple experiment to prove the existence of gravity, jump from a building, and update me on the status.

 

[ranjeet]

a honor, i suppose.

obviously, an honor that will get you a pass till border when push come to a shove

 

[jamahir]

Maya (illusion) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Hendrick Vroom explains, "The term Maya has been translated as 'illusion,' but then it does not concern normal illusion. Here 'illusion' does not mean that the world is not real and simply a figment of the human imagination. Maya means that the world is not as it seems; the world that one experiences is misleading as far as its true nature is concerned."[28] Lynn Foulston states, "The world is both real and unreal because it exists but is 'not what it appears to be'

jo hai woh nahi hai, jo nahi hai woh hai.

obviously, an honor that will get you a pass till border when push come to a shove

pass till what border??

 

[Samudra Manthan]

Quantum physics does not work that way buddy...sub atomic particles show a lot of properties that macroscopic objects do not.....a cell is different from the human body....a brick is not a house...so just because something is a building block for something does not necessarily imply that they will share the same properties...again when you are talking about computer simulation you are talking about solipsism...not quantum mechanics!
And quantum world appears to be an illusion because humans are not 'hardwired' to understand it...when physicists say it is illusive they do not say that the world we live in is an illusion or that it does not exist.....they just mean laws of quantum physics do not conform with newtonian laws....if you have any interest of physics yous should probably learn to distinct between physics and metaphysics!

No one here is arguing that quantum physics works the same way as macroscopic elements work. A brick is not a house but a house is made up of bricks. But the analogy fails here because the house is not just made up of bricks but other elements too. Whereas the universe is made up of nothing but subatomic particles adhering to the principles of quantum physics.

I do not know what it is solipsism or whatever you claim it is. I looked up the meaning, it says being selfish. That is an odd argument to bring in - Me being selfish by claiming the world is a quantum reality.

No, the physicists are very clear in what they said. The very video I provided to you had the scientist claiming in an audience full of physicist without being challenged, this universe does not exist. That we are like a computer simulation. The understanding of our world is classic in the sense humans understand it, but the reality of the world is Quantum. Hindus and Buddhists had no problem whatsoever wraping their mind around it. It is only the Abrahmists who have a difficulty wraping their mind around it.