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I was offered Rs. 14 crore bribe: Indian Army chief General VK Singh

If he was a Pakistani General, then he would be enjoying that 14 crore some where in UK with his family...... :lol:

The BEML guys (or whoever tried this) didn't know who they were dealing with. As per the reports, audio evidence shows that the general shouted him out of the office. :rofl:And now the entire rot is being brought to light.:yahoo:

Serious questions have to be asked as to how BEML has, over the past 20 years, managed to buy trucks from europe for 40 lakhs and sell them to the army for 110 lakhs. When domestic firms like tata and ashok leyland are producing the same thing for 16 lakhs.:angry:

I'm just amazed though that anybody was stupid enough to think they could get away with brazenly attempting to bribe the Indian Army chief, especially one so reputed for probity. Perhaps it is the same stupidity that has rendered them unable to manufacture the truck some 25 years after they aquired the technology. During the kargil war, the strike corps had to ground many of these vehicles due to non availability of spare parts, because BEML had not learnt to make even spares for these. This is what the then corps commander said on NDTV.
 
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Atleast, some thing is coming to light that previous Generals were corrupt and the system is not interested in eradicating corrupt.
 
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very high corruption, failed agni missile, loads of budget on arjunk and LCA :lol::lol:

one indian nuclear scientist caught selling fissle material to hindutwa terrorists

imagine corruption in such areas

If he was a Pakistani General, then he would be enjoying that 14 crore some where in UK with his family...... :lol:

he doesnt even need to
 
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very high corruption, failed agni missile, loads of budget on arjunk and LCA :lol::lol:

one indian nuclear scientist caught selling fissle material to hindutwa terrorists

imagine corruption in such areas



he doesnt even need to

Source please? Other than your overactive imagination?

I think you are confused. The only scientist in these regions who has been caught selling nuclear secrets is from pakistan, and it wasn't to hindus.

Post reported as flaim bait and trolling. I didn't know if stupidity is a legitimate ground for reporting posts.
 
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Do either of those reports say anything about "indian scientists" or "hindutva terrorists"? Sorry, but if you have trouble reading and understanding, it is not my place to teach you. Go to school, pay fees. They may have qualified teachers who can help you. Take reading comprehension classes. There is no shame in adult education, if you are an adult.
 
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Do either of those reports say anything about "indian scientists" or "hindutva terrorists"? Sorry, but if you have trouble reading and understanding, it is not my place to teach you. Go to school, pay fees. They may have qualified teachers who can help you. Take reading comprehension classes. There is no shame in adult education, if you are an adult.

when the fissile material is stolen it is sold to terrorists, then who, my grand daddy?
 
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when the fissile material is stolen it is sold to terrorists, then who, my grand daddy?

Great. So you admit that it was your imagination. In future try not to troll like this. When fissile material has been stolen in the past, who has benefitted? I don't know about your grand daddy, but I know that nuclear material being sold to hindutvas has never happened, except in your imagination. Since you can't get a source to backup your cliam, stop trolling.

No mention of Indian scientists, no mention of hindutva terrorists anywhere. You made both up. Both the seller and the recipient came from your imagination.Goodbye, troll.
 
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I just saw the defense minister speech on the issue...Its really sad...
The corruption has reached our armed forces as well....:no:
WTF is going on....the defense minister is has made mistake of not pursuing the complaint...
The army general made mistake by not filing complaint...WTF....
Has the entire administration in India gone Insane????
 
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I just saw the defense minister speech on the issue...Its really sad...
The corruption has reached our armed forces as well....:no:
WTF is going on....the defense minister is has made mistake of not pursuing the complaint...
The army general made mistake by not filing complaint...WTF....
Has the entire administration in India gone Insane????

I think everyonne is asking the wrong questions. It is not these two individuals who have to face tough questions - this procurement has been going on for the past 25 years, and nobody has raised any questions about it until now. At least the current army chief and def minister brought this issue to light, albeit belatedly, and through wrong channels.

The larger question we should be asking is how thousands of trucks have been bought at inflated prices for so many years, who has it benifitted, who all (in the ministry or army of BMEL) are responsible for it, why the nation had to pay at least 1 billion (conservative estimate) more than it needed to, and why we don;t have any institutional mechanism in the armed forces to prevent such things from happening. Many people have to be investigated and arrested. The current chief and minister would be the last people we should be going after.
 
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How trucks drove the Army bribe row
Praveen Swami

Bribe conversation tape with CBI now as probe begins Defence Ministry's poser
I was offered a bribe of Rs. 14 crore, says Army Chief

Did Czech firm Tatra sell substandard products — and then try to make payoffs to ensure it could keep doing so?

In 1999, millions of Indians watched as batteries of Indian multi-barrel rocket launchers unleashed fearsome barrages against Pakistani positions on the Kargil heights — clearing the way for soldiers who had come under withering fire as they sought to claw their way up the mountains.

In an explosive interview to The Hindu published on Monday, Chief of the Army Staff General V.K. Singh said the Tatra trucks that carried those rockets were substandard and sold at exorbitant prices. He added that there was no proper facility where they could be serviced.

Had audiences watched the trucks carefully, they would have noticed that the driver sat on the left — an extraordinary testament to how much a vehicle that began to be produced in India in 1986 still relies on imported equipment.

Lieutenant-General (retd.) Tejinder Singh, a former intelligence officer who is alleged to have offered the Army chief a Rs. 14 crore bribe, is claimed to have been trying to make sure they kept being bought.
The politics of trucks

Tatra's fortunes in India have been tied to Ravi Rishi, a graduate of the Indian Institute of Technology in New Delhi who went on to own the London-headquartered consortium Vectra — a multinational conglomerate with interests in everything from private aviation to luxury apartments. Mr. Rishi's crown jewel, though, is his controlling interest in Tatra — a Czech firm he picked up cheap, amid the collapse of eastern Europe's arms industry after the cold war.

Founded in 1850, Tatra supplies trucks to at least 23 militaries, among them the United States, Israel, and Saudi Arabia. In 1973, Israel was so impressed by the Tatra trucks captured from its Arab adversaries that it began importing them, using Rumanian president Nicolai Ceausescu's cash-starved regime as a conduit.

In 1986, when India began a great wave of military modernisation, Mr. Rishi steered Prime Minister Rajiv Gandhi's government towards picking Tatra. Public sector giant BEML was given a licence to manufacture the trucks. In the years since, almost 7,000 have been built.

Mr. Rishi declined to be interviewed for this article. The Ministry of Defence, however, said on Monday it had not received a single complaint about the truck, a very different account to that given by Gen. Singh.
The sceptical General

Weeks after taking office, Gen. V.K. Singh stalled an order for 788 new Tatra trucks approved by his predecessor, arguing the vehicle was overpriced and underperformed. Earlier, as General Officer Commanding-in-Chief of the Eastern Army Command, General Singh had considered the competing claims of Ural, a Russian-Indian joint venture, and had been impressed.

In 2009, highly placed military sources said Gen. Singh had informally used two Ural trucks to ferry supplies to Sikkim. His staff reported the trucks were better-powered than their Tatra competitors.

Led by Kolkata-based businessman J.K. Saraf, Ural is a joint venture between Russian firm Uralaz and Mr. Saraf's Motijug industries, which manufactures heavy vehicles at Haldia, in West Bengal. Ural did not respond to e-mail seeking its comments.

Gen. Singh, as Chief of the Army Staff, wanted to give Ural and other firms a chance to bid for the Army's truck contracts. His decision to open up bidding is what, the General's aides claim, led to the effort to bribe him. Even though Tatra did not sell directly to the Army, they argue, it still sold high-priced components to BEML — and thus had an interest in ensuring the sales continued.
Hard questions

There's little doubt Tatra components seem overpriced: a jack, for example, costs Rs. 30,000. There are claims that Indian-made four-wheel drive platforms cost Rs. 18 lakh or less, to the Tatra's Rs. 80 lakh — and that the BEML-made Tatra sells for substantially more than it is available off the shelf abroad.

Like so much to do with military procurement, though, it is unclear if the high prices have to do with corruption — or India's complex defence procurement policies.

For one, indigenisation of the vehicle has gone slowly. Last year, BEML's director V.R.S. Natarajan said the Tatra was now 60 per cent Indian-made — up from 21 per cent in 2002. BEML finally began making its own Tatra engines in-house. The truck ought, however, to have been wholly Indian-made by now, leading to allegations that BEML is wilfully importing form Tatra at high cost.

“It's easy,” said a military engineer linked with BEML, disagreeing, “to point fingers, but these are complex financial questions. BEML, for example, imports left-hand drive axles, because setting up new ones for right-hand drive would cost hundreds of crores. There's no guarantee the Army will order enough trucks for that to make sense.”

High pricing has dogged almost all Indian efforts to indigenise complex foreign-made products, because of the enormous costs of setting up production lines to manufacture low volumes.

The Ministry of Defence has long argued these investments are worthwhile despite their costs, since they help India build up long-term industrial capacities with civilian technology spin-offs.

India's next order for Army trucks — some 1,500, to be tested rigorously and purchased through a competitive process — will establish whether it is possible to get better trucks for less money. It is unlikely, though, to address the larger problems that dog the acquisition process.

The Hindu : News / National : How trucks drove the Army bribe row
 
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Statement of Defence Minister on interview of Gen. V. K. Singh

 
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