I stand with the people of Ukraine

waz · Mar 2, 2022

Princeps Senatus said:
For all those cheering Russia on right now, I have a question for you, would you cheer India if they invade Pakistan?
Because it's the same situation really, same we r sem to sem logic used by russia is used by india. But the people of both Ukraine and Pakistan want nothing to do with Russia and India respectively, and that's the only thing that matters. If the Ukrainians want to be separate, they have the right to be just like we do.

No it’s not, not even remotely.

Trango Towers · Mar 2, 2022

nang2 said:
Invasion is a desperate move by someone who is incompetent in other options. Even Sun Tze said it is the last resort.

After 8 years of warning. Sun Tzu would be impressed by Russian mercy and patience

mudas777 · Mar 2, 2022

Princeps Senatus said:
For all those cheering Russia on right now, I have a question for you, would you cheer India if they invade Pakistan?
Because it's the same situation really, same we r sem to sem logic used by russia is used by india. But the people of both Ukraine and Pakistan want nothing to do with Russia and India respectively, and that's the only thing that matters. If the Ukrainians want to be separate, they have the right to be just like we do.

If its Whites then whole scenario changes and different set of rules apply. Did you started any thread when Iraqi children's died in 1000's due to the Western sanctions on the medicines and then they bombed the hell of the Iraq due to the invented stories of WMD anyway. You were no where to be seen when Syrian dead refugee's bodies used to show up on the Turkish, Libyan, Italian, Greek beeches. Where were you when Libya was attacked by the NATO to the stone age? What about Israeli's killing Palestinians on daily basis and stealing their houses and lands every day. How about Kashmir occupation and trying to change into ghetto's? How about when US toppled the Egyptian's, and Ukrainians democratically elected governments?
There was no UN charter at that time? No one said at that time if you abstained at the UNGA it will be considered as standing with the aggressor?
To be honest I will welcome fascist Modi India to invade Pakistan and am sure its a dying wish of every RSS shorts wearing d**khead too. But alas what will be left of the India afterwards is any body guess and assure you we will not go to the UN for help to stop the invasion.
Its a European war let them settle their scores according to the natural laws of the evolution or at the negotiation table down to them. We can only hope, wish and advise them to do it in a peaceful way without taking sides and we don't need to stand with any side. When Finland, Sweden can co exist with the Russia without being part of the NATO am sure Ukraine can do the same. Would USA will allow Russia to base his missiles in the Mexico and last time they tried in Cuba what was the result?
We all want peace and justice in this world and no one needs to be blown into the pieces to score a point but then it must apply to us all not selectively. I still very much hope peace prevails and both sides come to some sort of agreement and lives can be saved without being used by outsiders for their agendas.

nang2 · Mar 2, 2022

Trango Towers said:
After 8 years of warning. Sun Tzu would be impressed by Russian mercy and patience

It is too bad that Russia couldn't find other ways to its own advantages. It is entangled in many geopolitical struggles while its own economy is weak. Unlike Russia, China literally ambushed US with its rapid economic growth.

R Wing · Mar 2, 2022

The Lost Brother said:
I stand with you on this. It is not the fault of common Ukrainian so that they are suffering that much. Russian has no say what a sovereign Nation think about its future. They are bombing everything be it school or hospital which is against the humanity.

Wake up. They started slow. If Russia wanted to be truly indiscriminate, it would have leveled all of Ukraine by now. They have massive bombs and huge artillery guns that can flatten cities in an hour. They also have tactical nukes.

Was some civilian infrastructure hit? It is in every war.

The people can overthrow the CIA-installed puppet, Zelensky, and end their misery. The people did bring it onto themselves when they allowed an American stooge to run their country whereas their much larger and stronger neighbor expressed its reservations throughout the years.

Of course I feel terrible for the innocent lives stuck in this conflict, but I also feel that Putin was totally justified and I would have done the same to keep my country's interests protected. I wish and pray that civilian casualties would be lower.

The Lost Brother · Mar 2, 2022

R Wing said:
Wake up. They started slow. If Russia wanted to be truly indiscriminate, it would have leveled all of Ukraine by now. They have massive bombs and huge artillery guns that can flatten cities in an hour. They also have tactical nukes.

Was some civilian infrastructure hit? It is in every war.

The people can overthrow the CIA-installed puppet, Zelensky, and end their misery. The people did bring it onto themselves when they allowed an American stooge to run their country whereas their much larger and stronger neighbor expressed its reservations throughout the years.

Of course I feel terrible for the innocent lives stuck in this conflict, but I also feel that Putin was totally justified and I would have done the same to keep my country's interests protected. I wish and pray that civilian casualties would be lower.

Sir, I believe you did not watch the news lately. They literally are bombing everything from schools to hospitals, residential place and what not. I am not talking about the things floating on social media but on news where reporters are reporting from the conflict zone. No one in his wild imagination can say that whatever Putin is doing the correct thing.

Trango Towers · Mar 2, 2022

nang2 said:
It is too bad that Russia couldn't find other ways to its own advantages. It is entangled in many geopolitical struggles while its own economy is weak. Unlike Russia, China literally ambushed US with its rapid economic growth.

Like?

Europe and America (White west) is tryingvto create a clear divide. They did this book Huwavi and China's semiconductor industry and Russia by extending NATO. Its good to be a pacifist as I am one too but I believe that when who have to fight for your survival then you must.

peagle · Mar 2, 2022

nang2 said:
I think it is perfectly OK to judge the majority based on their tolerance level of the acts of the minority.

Good for you.

Long live the bigots.

nang2 · Mar 2, 2022

peagle said:
Good for you.

Long live the bigots.

Good for you, too. Long live the cowards.

shanipisces2002 · Mar 2, 2022

mudas777 said:
If its Whites then whole scenario changes and different set of rules apply. Did you started any thread when Iraqi children's died in 1000's due to the Western sanctions on the medicines and then they bombed the hell of the Iraq due to the invented stories of WMD anyway. You were no where to be seen when Syrian dead refugee's bodies used to show up on the Turkish, Libyan, Italian, Greek beeches. Where were you when Libya was attacked by the NATO to the stone age? What about Israeli's killing Palestinians on daily basis and stealing their houses and lands every day. How about Kashmir occupation and trying to change into ghetto's? How about when US toppled the Egyptian's, and Ukrainians democratically elected governments?
There was no UN charter at that time? No one said at that time if you abstained at the UNGA it will be considered as standing with the aggressor?
To be honest I will welcome fascist Modi India to invade Pakistan and am sure its a dying wish of every RSS shorts wearing d**khead too. But alas what will be left of the India afterwards is any body guess and assure you we will not go to the UN for help to stop the invasion.
Its a European war let them settle their scores according to the natural laws of the evolution or at the negotiation table down to them. We can only hope, wish and advise them to do it in a peaceful way without taking sides and we don't need to stand with any side. When Finland, Sweden can co exist with the Russia without being part of the NATO am sure Ukraine can do the same. Would USA will allow Russia to base his missiles in the Mexico and last time they tried in Cuba what was the result?
We all want peace and justice in this world and no one needs to be blown into the pieces to score a point but then it must apply to us all not selectively. I still very much hope peace prevails and both sides come to some sort of agreement and lives can be saved without being used by outsiders for their agendas.

well what can i say his ignorance level is of no bounds.
however i do condem Russia attacking Ukraine but its not their fault as Russia did warned Ukraine and west many times not to be with NATO, they didnt listened and look how things are right now.
Also in regards to mudas comments "Yes where were you " when all these slaughter was being done by the west?

nang2 · Mar 2, 2022

Trango Towers said:
Like?

Europe and America (White west) is tryingvto create a clear divide. They did this book Huwavi and China's semiconductor industry and Russia by extending NATO. Its good to be a pacifist as I am one too but I believe that when who have to fight for your survival then you must.

Of course. But it is also paramount to avoid yourself being in such a desperate situation by strengthening yourself.

Shehryar Ashraf · Mar 2, 2022

the people of ukraine elected a comedian to power. and this is what happens.
a pro russian prime minister could have prevented this.

CatSultan · Mar 2, 2022

peagle said:
There has been so much discussion about the Russian invasion of Ukraine, Geopolitical, Geostrategic, Geo-economics and so on, but as usual, the average citizen gets pushed into the background in all the furore about who’s right and who’s wrong.

The great powers play games far larger then we care to understand, we think one thing and a decade later new truths come forward, so time will decide the counterfactuals of each and every argument

If Putin had invaded just the Donbas region, I wouldn’t have batted an eyelid, they are all Russian, so non of my business, so it doesn’t concern me. But to launch a full invasion of Ukraine is rather extreme, a step that will result in massive sufferings of the people that could and should have been avoided.

SO, politics aside, let's please spend a moment to think about the average citizen, the families that will suffer.
Already there has been racist reporting by white/western reporters, but we shouldn't allow that to colour our judgements, and remember that we are all human.

SO, I stand with the people of Ukraine, and I do hope everyone wishes that they won't suffer too much, and recover from this situation very soon.

I am not defending Putin but if he just invaded Donbas, Ukraine would've attacked back, so, strategically, it makes sense to invade all of it, to make it harder for Ukraine to do a counterattack.

Trango Towers · Mar 2, 2022

Shehryar Ashraf said:
the people of ukraine elected a comedian to power. and this is what happens.
a pro russian prime minister could have prevented this.

A non aligned PM who put Ukraine 1st would have prevented this