.I.P. The 2976 American people that lost their lives on 9/11 and

[Raja.Pakistani]

Yes they were. Remember, the Soviets invaded Afghanistan without their 9/11. So yes, I have no problems calling Osama bin Laden a 'freedom fighter' if the label fit. Bet that threw you for a loop...

Dude Soviet invaded Afghanistan to help the local Afghani to get rid of talibanization(same motive of US for staying in Afghanistan after Osama been killed in Pakistan) No it was not me but american who were calling them freedom fighters and hero when they were killing their communist enemies. The cliche "one's man terrorist is another man's freedom fighter" sums up the dilemma of defining terrorism. When Britain occupied and ruled subcontinent and they faced some resistance from some groups/ peoples. These peoples were hero and freedom fighters for native Indians but they were terrorists and got death penalty from British government

Sure you can blame al-qiada/Osama for 9/11 but it was not right to destroy those who dont even know about 9/11 lol

Survey Reveals 92 Percent of Young Afghan Men Have Never Heard of 9/11

Any differences can be a matter of perspective. If you want to consider US as evil as al-Qaeda, I have no problems with that. But one significant difference here is that Osama bin Laden do not consider ANY civilian as a 'non-combatant' while we do. The New Yorkers who die on 9/11 were 'combatants' to him simply by virtue of citizenship or if any is not a US citizen, he/she is guilty of the same by simple association. Do YOU support that perspective?

No, what i am saying is that someone is evil on basis of killing innocent peoples and this is consider terrorism and it dont matter if innocent peoples get killed from suicide bombing or american bombs or with their drone attacks etc. I feel sad for all these innocent victims. To destroy terrorists one must treat them as they would any other criminal group. You infiltrate the organization, discover what you can about its movements, its structure and its holdings and then quickly and efficiently destroy it. Terrorists will not stand and fight in the open. They do not operate like a military so its not right to have military operation against a country where they are hiding in caves because in this process you will kill one terrorist and ten more will born if you kill some local innocents who got traps between you and Talibans.

 

[gambit]

Dude Soviet invaded Afghanistan to help the local Afghani to get rid of talibanization(same motive of US for staying in Afghanistan after Osama been killed in Pakistan) No it was not me but american who were calling them freedom fighters and hero when they were killing their communist enemies. The cliche "one's man terrorist is another man's freedom fighter" sums up the dilemma of defining terrorism. When Britain occupied and ruled subcontinent and they faced some resistance from some groups/ peoples. These peoples were hero and freedom fighters for native Indians but they were terrorists and got death penalty from British government

That is absurd. What we call 'The Taliban' did not came to be until AFTER the Soviets withdrew.

Sure you can blame al-qiada/Osama for 9/11 but it was not right to destroy those who dont even know about 9/11 lol

When leaders make decisions, they most surely know their decisions will have consequences. That was how Osama bin Laden worked: The US and Israel made decisions that earned US an attack on Sept. 2001.

No, what i am saying is that someone is evil on basis of killing innocent peoples and this is consider terrorism and it dont matter if innocent peoples get killed from suicide bombing or american bombs or with their drone attacks etc. I feel sad for all these innocent victims. To destroy terrorists one must treat them as they would any other criminal group. You infiltrate the organization, discover what you can about its movements, its structure and its holdings and then quickly and efficiently destroy it. Terrorists will not stand and fight in the open. They do not operate like a military so its not right to have military operation against a country where they are hiding in caves because in this process you will kill one terrorist and ten more will born if you kill some local innocents who got traps between you and Talibans.

And when said group is outside of one's police authority and legal jurisdiction? Sorry, O naive one, but INTERPOL is not going to touch al-Qaeda. Heck, Pakistan is not willing to do it and you expect US to send the FBI? Give me a break...

 

[jbond197]

Condolences to the families who lost their near and dear ones in 9/11 and it's after effects..

 

[Aktavist_KKWC]

That is absurd. What we call 'The Taliban' did not came to be until AFTER the Soviets withdrew.

So? The US invited them to America to do certain deals with them.

Even after 911 the Taliban simply asked for proof but were provided with nothing. Osama Bin Laden himself denied any involvement before he was killed in 2001.


The whole thing is just a fabricated piece of work. After killing their own people and blaming it on 'Alcoholic' Jihadi's who supposedly hated western freedoms but enjoyed western lapdancing the rogue Empire the put it plans into action by invading numerous nations and killing many people for various reasons.

10 years after 911 America has proved it's a bigger terorrist than what they claimed to be terrorising them. Earth needs to eradicate the American Empire(not the land or people) if it wants to eradicate terrorism.

 

[Raja.Pakistani]

That is absurd. What we call 'The Taliban' did not came to be until AFTER the Soviets withdrew.

These were the mujhadeen/talibs who forced them(soviets) to leave and they got support from US/Pakistan/Saudai arabia otherwise we all know they had no weapons to fight with power like soviets and after soviets withdrew these talibans took over Afghanistan and established their rule there. US had no problems with them until this 9/11 happened and they refuse to hand over Osama who was also fighting with them against soviets

secondly when i said soviets went there to help local Afghani to get rid of talibnization(help them to replace Islamic ideology with communist ideology) while you went there to replace talibnization with western democracy

When leaders make decisions, they most surely know their decisions will have consequences. That was how Osama bin Laden worked: The US and Israel made decisions that earned US an attack on Sept. 2001.

Osama(saudia national ) was not democratic leaders of peoples of Pakistan or Afghanistan or other Muslims so i dont know how you blame peoples of Afghanistan or Pakistan for his criminals acts. Why they should be punished for his wrong doings? Your justification of killing innocents in war on teror is same like those terrorist who give excuses that policies of american, Isreali leaders kill innocent Muslims so all innocent american deserve punishments in form of terrorism. You kill innocent with bombs or drones and they kill with suicide attacks or remote bombs

And when said group is outside of one's police authority and legal jurisdiction? Sorry, O naive one, but INTERPOL is not going to touch al-Qaeda. Heck, Pakistan is not willing to do it and you expect US to send the FBI? Give me a break...

What a bull ****? so how Osama was captured and killed in Pakistan without any war or without giving any damage to any innocent civilian?

 

[gambit]

These were the mujhadeen/talibs who forced them to leave and they got support from US/Pakistan/Saudai arabia otherwise we all know they had no weapons to fight with power like soviets and after soviets withdrew these talibans took over Afghanistan and established their rule there. US had no problems with them until this 9/11 happened and they refuse to hand over Osama who was also fighting with them against soviets

secondly when i said soviets went their to help local Afghani to get rid of talibnization(help them to replace Islamic ideology with communist ideology) while you went there to replace talibnization with western democracy

You are not making any sense. You claimed that the Soviets invaded Afghanistan based upon an invitation from the Afghans themselves.

Soviet invaded Afghanistan to help the local Afghani to get rid of talibanization

I would like to see a source for this event.

Osama(saudia national ) was not democratic leaders of peoples of Pakistan or Afghanistan or other Muslims so i dont know how you blame peoples of Afghanistan or Pakistan for his criminals acts. Why they should be punished for his wrong doings? Your justification of killing innocents is same like those terrorist who give excuses that policies of american, Isreali leaders kill innocent Muslims so all innocent american deserve punishments in form of terrorism. You kill innocent with bombs or drones and they kill with suicide attacks or remote bombs

We do not blame the Afghanis. We blame the Taliban. Unfortunately, if the leaders of a country allowed his land to be used in a war, his people will bear the consequences of retaliation. That is how international affairs works.

What a bull ****? so how Osama was captured and killed in Pakistan without any war or without givany damage to any innocent civilian?

No...It is your arguments that are BS here. You demanded that we treat terrorism as a criminal event so explain how when said group is outside of our police and legal jurisdiction. Osama bin Laden was killed only after extensive investigative work done by our intelligence agencies and our military in persecuting al-Qaeda. You do not go after only the crime boss but his organization as well.

 

[Raja.Pakistani]

You are not making any sense. You claimed that the Soviets invaded Afghanistan based upon an invitation from the Afghans themselves.

The Soviet war in Afghanistan was a nine-year conflict involving the Soviet Union, supporting the Marxist-Leninist government of the Democratic Republic of Afghanistan[17] against the Afghan Mujahideen and foreign "Arab–Afghan" volunteers. The mujahideen got unofficial military and/or financial support from a variety of countries including the United States, Saudi Arabia, the United Kingdom[citation needed], Pakistan, Israel, Taiwan, Indonesia and China

Soviet war in Afghanistan - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

We do not blame the Afghanis. We blame the Taliban. Unfortunately, if the leaders of a country allowed his land to be used in a war, his people will bear the consequences of retaliation. That is how international affairs works.

So if Bush wage illegal war against iraq or any other country then all american deserve to face the consequences or punishment even if they oppose the war monger nature of their leaders.. secondly i told you osama was not democratic leaders of Afghans or Pakistan and even talibans were not elected democratically and talibans were not even responsible for terrorists attacks although they gave asylum to some terrorists including Osama

No...It is your arguments that are BS here. You demanded that we treat terrorism as a criminal event so explain how when said group is outside of our police and legal jurisdiction. Osama bin Laden was killed only after extensive investigative work done by our intelligence agencies and our military in persecuting al-Qaeda. You do not go after only the crime boss but his organization as well.

I guess you are not reading it properly. Read post no 16. How you define the success against terrorism? What you have achieved in Afghanistan or Iraq so far? Did terrorism got eliminated after you invaded Afghanistan? Did not your invasion killed more innocent peoples?(refer to opening post for statistics ) Why you invaded Afghanistan when Osama was hiding in Pakistan?

I guess reduction in terrorist organization and lethality could be a start of success against terrorism. A drop in terrorist recruitment abilities. Less well equipped and less well trained terrorists would also be a sign of success. But, as with criminals, complete elimination is not a feasible option. All one can do is make their lives harder, make targets more difficult to hit, make organization near impossible, make equipment hard to come by. These things are all the role of well trained and equipped law enforcement units, not soldiers.

Again If any american do any criminal act in my country without the approval of american leadership then i have no right to wage war in USA.

 

[gambit]

The Soviet war in Afghanistan was a nine-year conflict involving the Soviet Union, supporting the Marxist-Leninist government of the Democratic Republic of Afghanistan[17] against the Afghan Mujahideen and foreign "Arab–Afghan" volunteers. The mujahideen got unofficial military and/or financial support from a variety of countries including the United States, Saudi Arabia, the United Kingdom[citation needed], Pakistan, Israel, Taiwan, Indonesia and China

Soviet war in Afghanistan - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

What a lame argument...!!! This is old news. Of course the Soviets invaded Afghanistan at the 'request' or 'help call' of the local communists. But this is a far cry from invading a country as a response for an attack. There is no legitimate comparison between our military actions in Afghanistan versus the Soviet outright invasion of the same.

So if Bush wage illegal war against iraq or any other country then all american deserve to face the consequences or punishment even if they oppose the war monger nature of their leaders.. secondly i told you osama was not democratic leaders of Afghans or Pakistan and even talibans were not elected democratically and talibans were not even responsible for terrorists attacks although they gave asylum to some terrorists including Osama

Hey...That was Osama's reasoning. But the issue here is that Afghanistan was used to conduct his war. You used the land, the land must pay the price. If I give asylum to criminals, the police have the right to break down my door or even confiscate my house.

I guess you are not reading it properly. Read post no 16. How you define the success against terrorism? What you have achieved in Afghanistan or Iraq so far? Did terrorism got eliminated after you invaded Afghanistan? Did not your invasion killed more innocent peoples?(refer to opening post for statistics ) Why you invaded Afghanistan when Osama was hiding in Pakistan?

Then when Pakistan successfully eradicate terrorism through police methods, we will be glad to follow Pakistan's lead.

Your arguments are one big joke.

 

[Raja.Pakistani]

Dude I don't know who gave you this black colour when you cannot even construct a single counter argument..yes my arguments is a big joke because they are exposing double standard of your government

 

[Raja.Pakistani]

R.I.P. The 2976 American people that lost their lives on 9/11 and R.I.P. the 48,644 Afghan and 1,690,903 Iraqi and 35000 Pakistani people that paid the ultimate price for a crime they did not commit ! Share it to let the world know how passionate are the US and European governments ....!

Revenge has been taken for lives of 2976 american peoples..justice has been done after killing master mind and leader of evil alqida

now who will give justice to 48000 innocent Afghani and millions innocent Iraqi who got killed because of US invasion? Especially iraqi victims who had nothing to do with 9/11

 

[sarthak]

Revenge has been taken for lives of 2976 american peoples..justice has been done after killing master mind and leader of evil alqida

now who will give justice to 48000 innocent Afghani and millions innocent Iraqi who got killed because of US invasion? Especially iraqi victims who had nothing to do with 9/11

I do blame the US in part for all this , but don't forget that majority of iraqis died due to sectarian violence that occured after the regime had been overthrown. Actually , the bombing of Baghdad was one of the best bombing campaigns i have ever seen. Only the government buildings were targeted and destroyed , i don't remember civilians being killed during the bombing campaign. I totally justify the war on Afghanistan though. Man , the fact that the war is still going on shows just how many taliban members are there. Pakistani soldiers are dying everyday because taliban still has many fighters and is recruiting more. If they hadn't been stopped , they would have become a big problem in the future , probably gained access to nuke weapons and what not.

 

[below_freezing]

What a joke. The real 9-11 did not occur in New York, but rather in Santiago, Chile.

1973 Chilean coup d'état - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Rank]

Simple logic!!! think before u attack US!!!

**** idiot we attack us ? typical ****

 

[DarK-LorD]

R.I.P. The 2976 American people that lost their lives on 9/11 and R.I.P. the 48,644 Afghan and 1,690,903 Iraqi and 35000 Pakistani people that paid the ultimate price for a crime they did not commit ! Share it to let the world know how passionate are the US and European governments ....!

1,690,903 Iraqi????
113,494 – 122,483 violent civilian deaths is the real casualties in Iraq.

 

[Chogy]

R.I.P. The 2976 American people that lost their lives on 9/11 and R.I.P. the 48,644 Afghan and 1,690,903 Iraqi and 35000 Pakistani people that paid the ultimate price for a crime they did not commit ! Share it to let the world know how passionate are the US and European governments ....!

Here's how they came up with some of those numbers...

Iraqi infant dies due to lack of medical care. The legitimate humanitarian/medical aid was re-routed to become solid gold bathroom fixtures for another Saddam palace.

That, of course, means the USA killed the child.