I offered Namaz after RSS didn't turn up.

[Jaam92]

We must congrats Indian Nation because this is what they want from decade

 

[gau8av]

‘Neither Hindu nor Muslim’, Agra's ‘converts’ trapped in limbo

AGRA: Caught between the devil and the deep sea, the 57 Muslim families who were brought into the Hindu fold on Monday now face a peculiar, pathetic plight. Angry maulvis on Wednesday stormed into the slum in Agra that they call their home and told the confused group that they are now officially "neither Hindu nor Muslim" and that neither "bhagwan nor Allah" will forgive them.

The men and women, cringing and sitting on the ground with fear writ large on their faces, began to wail in despair as soon as they heard it. Some raised their hands towards the sky and loudly asked for forgiveness from god.

'You have committed a crime'

The clerics, though, were unrelenting. Mudassir Khan, one of the leaders who visited the slum at Madhu Nagar, where the conversion had taken place, heaped more woe on the frightened lot. "You will have to re-marry, re-revise the Quran and have to re-follow all important aspects of Islam to become Muslim again," he thundered.

"Do the nikah again, make your children go through the Quran again and keep your women in purdah. Only then will you be granted mercy. You have committed a crime."

In the mass conversion, which the Hindu outfit leading the charge called "re-conversion", the slum dwellers, mostly Bengali Muslim rag pickers, had gone through an elaborate ritual that saw them washing the feet of Hindu gods, putting vermilion marks on their forehead and eating prashad. A "shuddhikaran hawan" (purification ceremony) was held and the Dharma Jagran Samanvay Vibhag, an offshoot of the RSS, and Bajrang Dal, triumphantly called it "purkho ke ghar vapasi" (the return home of our ancestors).

Toothless and frail, Sufia Begum, 76, one of the oldest members of the slum colony who had on Monday said "Ishwar and Allah are the same", couldn't stop tears from rolling down her face. Clerics who had barged into her hut were heard telling her she still had time to repent. She then looked at them and cried, "Aami aar korbo na, amay maaf koro, mullah." (I will not do this again. Please forgive me).

Pushed into a corner, Ismile, who seemed to be their leader, said, "They fooled us in the name of ration cards and BPL cards. We were told that they want to do a puja in our slum as the plot is owned by a Hindu. We just took part in it and before we knew it they proclaimed that we have been converted. Soon, the media arrived."

He then bowed at the feet of Maulana Masroor Raza Quadri of the Tehriq Tehafuz Sunniat, who was in no mood to humour the man. Annoyed at Ismile's "transgression", Quadri told him, "You made a mockery of our religion. You will never be forgiven by Allah."

‘Neither Hindu nor Muslim’, Agra's ‘converts’ trapped in limbo - The Times of India

 

[SarthakGanguly]

‘Neither Hindu nor Muslim’, Agra's ‘converts’ trapped in limbo

AGRA: Caught between the devil and the deep sea, the 57 Muslim families who were brought into the Hindu fold on Monday now face a peculiar, pathetic plight. Angry maulvis on Wednesday stormed into the slum in Agra that they call their home and told the confused group that they are now officially "neither Hindu nor Muslim" and that neither "bhagwan nor Allah" will forgive them.

The men and women, cringing and sitting on the ground with fear writ large on their faces, began to wail in despair as soon as they heard it. Some raised their hands towards the sky and loudly asked for forgiveness from god.

'You have committed a crime'

The clerics, though, were unrelenting. Mudassir Khan, one of the leaders who visited the slum at Madhu Nagar, where the conversion had taken place, heaped more woe on the frightened lot. "You will have to re-marry, re-revise the Quran and have to re-follow all important aspects of Islam to become Muslim again," he thundered.

"Do the nikah again, make your children go through the Quran again and keep your women in purdah. Only then will you be granted mercy. You have committed a crime."

In the mass conversion, which the Hindu outfit leading the charge called "re-conversion", the slum dwellers, mostly Bengali Muslim rag pickers, had gone through an elaborate ritual that saw them washing the feet of Hindu gods, putting vermilion marks on their forehead and eating prashad. A "shuddhikaran hawan" (purification ceremony) was held and the Dharma Jagran Samanvay Vibhag, an offshoot of the RSS, and Bajrang Dal, triumphantly called it "purkho ke ghar vapasi" (the return home of our ancestors).

Toothless and frail, Sufia Begum, 76, one of the oldest members of the slum colony who had on Monday said "Ishwar and Allah are the same", couldn't stop tears from rolling down her face. Clerics who had barged into her hut were heard telling her she still had time to repent. She then looked at them and cried, "Aami aar korbo na, amay maaf koro, mullah." (I will not do this again. Please forgive me).

Pushed into a corner, Ismile, who seemed to be their leader, said, "They fooled us in the name of ration cards and BPL cards. We were told that they want to do a puja in our slum as the plot is owned by a Hindu. We just took part in it and before we knew it they proclaimed that we have been converted. Soon, the media arrived."

He then bowed at the feet of Maulana Masroor Raza Quadri of the Tehriq Tehafuz Sunniat, who was in no mood to humour the man. Annoyed at Ismile's "transgression", Quadri told him, "You made a mockery of our religion. You will never be forgiven by Allah."

‘Neither Hindu nor Muslim’, Agra's ‘converts’ trapped in limbo - The Times of India

So Mullahs can say that Hindus will not be forgiven by Allah? These people are Hindus now, forcefully converting them to Islam and threatening them is against the law.

That said, their life is in danger. Thank you Media.

Deobandis have captured the area, protected by State Police. RSS and Barelvis are kept out by force. These people will either die or be reconverted. Long live Secular India.

 

[Iggy]

5 lakh for Muslim, 2 lakh for Christian family to switch to Hinduism: Dharm Jagran Manch details cost


New Delhi: Just how much does it cost to get someone to change their religion? If the Dharm Jagran Manch is to be believed, its costs Rs 5 lakh for a Muslim family and Rs 2 lakh for a Christian family to switch to Hinduism.




These figures have been given by Rajeshwar Singh, a leader of Dharm Jagran Manch, in a letter he sent out as part of the preparations for the planned mass conversion in Aligarh on Christmas.

RSS plans mass conversion to Hinduism on Christmas

The letter written by Rajeshwar Singh, details the costs of conversion


On being asked about the figures, the Agra unit chief’s defense was that money was required for any event.



Upon further questioning he bristled up and said that the media had no right to question him. “You are not the law or judiciary, investigating is not your job. Why should I answer your questions? Are you giving me something? I don’t consider the media to be anything,” he snapped at the reporter.

5 lakh for Muslim, 2 lakh for Christian family to switch to Hinduism: Dharm Jagran Manch details cost - ABP News

Why is the rate of converting Christianity so low??

@SarthakGanguly @ranjeet eet @DRAY @scorpionx @RISING SUN @SpArK @nair @Indrani @Judge @jamahir

 

[mb444]

hindutva fools..... tricking poor uneducated muslims..... it is not so simple to turn a person from their faith

 

[SarthakGanguly]

5 lakh for Muslim, 2 lakh for Christian family to switch to Hinduism: Dharm Jagran Manch details cost


New Delhi: Just how much does it cost to get someone to change their religion? If the Dharm Jagran Manch is to be believed, its costs Rs 5 lakh for a Muslim family and Rs 2 lakh for a Christian family to switch to Hinduism.




These figures have been given by Rajeshwar Singh, a leader of Dharm Jagran Manch, in a letter he sent out as part of the preparations for the planned mass conversion in Aligarh on Christmas.

RSS plans mass conversion to Hinduism on Christmas

The letter written by Rajeshwar Singh, details the costs of conversion


On being asked about the figures, the Agra unit chief’s defense was that money was required for any event.



Upon further questioning he bristled up and said that the media had no right to question him. “You are not the law or judiciary, investigating is not your job. Why should I answer your questions? Are you giving me something? I don’t consider the media to be anything,” he snapped at the reporter.

5 lakh for Muslim, 2 lakh for Christian family to switch to Hinduism: Dharm Jagran Manch details cost - ABP News

Why is the rate of converting Christianity so low??

@SarthakGanguly @ranjeet eet @DRAY @scorpionx @RISING SUN @SpArK @nair @Indrani @Judge @jamahir

The mafia does not charge much for Christians. The mafia is Muslim. That's why. This is UP specific. These laborers are bonded. Without paying for their bonds, these folks don't gain 'freedom'. They are treated like human beings, you need to go to one such place. You will know how the mafia uses these folks. The Deobandis are their right hand - providing a religious twist to the drama.

Otherwise they don't get new cards as the political parties are also in league with the mafia.

 

[mb444]

So Mullahs can say that Hindus will not be forgiven by Allah? These people are Hindus now, forcefully converting them to Islam and threatening them is against the law.

That said, their life is in danger. Thank you Media.

Deobandis have captured the area, protected by State Police. RSS and Barelvis are kept out by force. These people will either die or be reconverted. Long live Secular India.

from these peoples own word they have not chosen to convert, had no intention of converting and simply been fooled by hindutva scums....


they have been sullied and need to be repurified.... no one is forcibly doing anything.....

 

[SarthakGanguly]

from these peoples own word they have not chosen to convert, had no intention of converting and simply been fooled by hindutva scums....


they have been sullied and need to be repurified.... no one is forcibly doing anything.....

When a Mullah comes with an armed escort supported by local political goons, you will sing any tune to save your skin.

 

[mb444]

When a Mullah comes with an armed escort supported by local political goons, you will sing any tune to save your skin.

yes not much different when degenerate hindutva scum arrives with goons from the ruling party and offers choice of conversion or death

 

[SarthakGanguly]

yes not much different when degenerate hindutva scum arrives with goons from the ruling party and offers choice of conversion or death

Just mention 'hindu scum' else I won't respond any further. There is nothing hindutva here.
We are not allowed to bear arms in UP. Certainly not in Agra.

 

[mb444]

Just mention 'hindu scum' else I won't respond any further. There is nothing hindutva here.
We are not allowed to bear arms in UP. Certainly not in Agra.

i have no problems with hindus just those espousing hindutva ideology..... so i will continue to state hindutva scum.... it is irrelevant to me if you respond or not

 

[SarthakGanguly]

i have no problems with hindus just those espousing hindutva ideology..... so i will continue to state hindutva scum.... it is irrelevant to me if you respond or not

There is no Hindutva ideology in people becoming Hindus. Your problem is with Hinduism. Not with a political ideology.

 

[ravi kiran]

Its common sense who da fuk would become a hindu and start worshipping a elephant god or monkey god in this day and age

whats wrong if muslims in india want to come to their original religion???
they are converting by their own will....
i think all the muslims in india should become hindu again because they were converted using force by muslim invaders....

Islam was born in arab countries. all the peoples in sub-continent were hindus before Muslim invaders came and converted some weak peoples forcefully to islam. now those oppressed weak muslims want to become hindu again then what is problem in it??

 

[mb444]

There is no Hindutva ideology in people becoming Hindus. Your problem is with Hinduism. Not with a political ideology.

standard lameass hindutva twist of logic.... epic fail

 

[jamahir]

Why is the rate of converting Christianity so low??

seiko, i have been advised by levina to stay away from such threads, and i agree...