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CAN I GET A GREEN CARD?

John Robert Rowland is a US citizen who has been living in Shanghai for six years and wants to make China his new home.

He has spent three months preparing all the documentation needed to apply for a permanent residence (PR) permit. And the wait has been six months – an average timeframe for most applications before they get approved.

“Without my assistant’s help, I wouldn’t [even] think about applying… the procedure is too complicated,” Rowland, who is a chief engineer with semiconductor firm SpreadTrum Communications, says.

Rowland’s case is just one of the many who have deemed applying for a China green card as either too thorny or they are just unsure if they meet the qualifications.

Some 7,356 foreigners obtained Chinese PR status between 2004, when the country first issued the permit, and 2013, a mere one percent of the reportedly over 600-thousand foreigners living in the country during that time.

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China is touted to be one of the hardest countries to get a permanent residence permit. /CGTN photo by cameraman Wang Jigang

Karel Vits, a Belgium national, received his Chinese PR permit in 2010. He attaches great importance to it as it frees up his time from having to renew his visa once every few years.

“Another advantage of the card is, as a foreigner, you do not need to have the employment permit to justify your stay in China,” Vits says. He is a process engineering lab manager at Solvay (China), a specialty chemicals company.

“It gives me an increased feeling of security because if for one reason or another I would have to change jobs or become jobless; I can still stay in China and would not have to leave the country within a short period of time.”

GREEN CARD CONCEPT REMAINS ELUSIVE

That said, Karel observes there is lack of understanding among the locals on the value and meaning of this green card and the rights it grants to the owner.

Having obtained a Chinese PR in 2010, he says theoretically, the card provides the holder with the right to set up a private business, register kids in school, and to pay the same education fees as the locals.

“But the reality is, foreigners do pay a significantly higher education fee in school, so the [green] card is not yet sufficiently well-known by the local Chinese,” Vits explains.

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Karel Vits, who has been working in China for 20 years, says he was happy to have received his Chinese green card (in 2010), knowing how difficult it is to obtain the permit. /CGTN photo by cameraman Wang Jigang

Vits also shared his experience when renewing his driving license a few years ago. Despite being a Chinese PR, he was asked to submit his registration form of temporary residence.

He is married to a local Chinese and his son – who holds a Belgium passport just like Vits – was born and brought up in China. Vits has one concern about his son.

“Chinese is his mother tongue but he is today the only person in my family who still needs to apply for the visa. I wonder what do we need to do for him to get a PR?” Vits asks.

TO UNIFY, SIMPLIFY SYSTEM

As part of China’s continuous efforts to lure back talents, it had in January rolled out a new policy on overseas Chinese.

Effective February 2018, ethnic Chinese living overseas will be able to apply for a five-year, multiple-entry visa – from a previous maximum one-year period.

“If they reside in China for work or to study or family reunion, they can apply for a 5-year long-term resident permit,” says Cai Baodi, director at the Shanghai’s Entry and Exit Administration Bureau.

“We have about 180,000 foreigners residing here in Shanghai; 60-70 percent of them are overseas Chinese. This new policy can encourage them to come back to Shanghai to work, study or see their families,” Cai says.

Meanwhile, Cheng Jianping, chairperson of the University Council at Beijing Normal University, cites the Shanghai Zhangjiang National Innovation Demonstration Zone as a good example of attracting foreign talents, where the documentation process for expats is said to be easier than applying for a Chinese PR.

Cheng calls for two things going forward. Firstly, he says there should be different regulations for different industries.

“Secondly, there are too many departments and ministries managing this [foreigners’ green cards], so rules and regulations are not centralized. If China wants to be a great power in the next few years, this needs to be solved,” Cheng says.

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Cheng Jianping says if one were to work long-term in China, he or she should be treated equally as citizens. /CGTN photo by cameraman Wang Jigang

Cheng, a member of China's top political advisory body, the Chinese People's Political Consultative Conference (CPPCC), says that not only more green cards should be given to foreigners but those who already possess cards to be able to enjoy more rights.

And what about the issue of retaining these talents?

“Thus, it is particularly important to provide foreigners with a platform to work, learn, interact and grow,” he says.

As for Vits, he is grateful for having obtained his green card. He says one can’t deny China’s significance at the world stage.

“I think every foreign company that has growth ambitions; sooner or later it has to develop business relationships in China or with China. So, there is not any doubt in my mind that China, from a professional point of view, is probably one of the best places [to live and work] in the world.”

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CAN I GET A GREEN CARD?

John Robert Rowland is a US citizen who has been living in Shanghai for six years and wants to make China his new home.

He has spent three months preparing all the documentation needed to apply for a permanent residence (PR) permit. And the wait has been six months – an average timeframe for most applications before they get approved.

“Without my assistant’s help, I wouldn’t [even] think about applying… the procedure is too complicated,” Rowland, who is a chief engineer with semiconductor firm SpreadTrum Communications, says.

Rowland’s case is just one of the many who have deemed applying for a China green card as either too thorny or they are just unsure if they meet the qualifications.

Some 7,356 foreigners obtained Chinese PR status between 2004, when the country first issued the permit, and 2013, a mere one percent of the reportedly over 600-thousand foreigners living in the country during that time.

3291652c-86f9-4cad-9446-2839b937210c.jpg

China is touted to be one of the hardest countries to get a permanent residence permit. /CGTN photo by cameraman Wang Jigang

Karel Vits, a Belgium national, received his Chinese PR permit in 2010. He attaches great importance to it as it frees up his time from having to renew his visa once every few years.

“Another advantage of the card is, as a foreigner, you do not need to have the employment permit to justify your stay in China,” Vits says. He is a process engineering lab manager at Solvay (China), a specialty chemicals company.

“It gives me an increased feeling of security because if for one reason or another I would have to change jobs or become jobless; I can still stay in China and would not have to leave the country within a short period of time.”

GREEN CARD CONCEPT REMAINS ELUSIVE

That said, Karel observes there is lack of understanding among the locals on the value and meaning of this green card and the rights it grants to the owner.

Having obtained a Chinese PR in 2010, he says theoretically, the card provides the holder with the right to set up a private business, register kids in school, and to pay the same education fees as the locals.

“But the reality is, foreigners do pay a significantly higher education fee in school, so the [green] card is not yet sufficiently well-known by the local Chinese,” Vits explains.

2d6886fb-f77c-4280-bc1a-66711646dd9b.jpg

Karel Vits, who has been working in China for 20 years, says he was happy to have received his Chinese green card (in 2010), knowing how difficult it is to obtain the permit. /CGTN photo by cameraman Wang Jigang

Vits also shared his experience when renewing his driving license a few years ago. Despite being a Chinese PR, he was asked to submit his registration form of temporary residence.

He is married to a local Chinese and his son – who holds a Belgium passport just like Vits – was born and brought up in China. Vits has one concern about his son.

“Chinese is his mother tongue but he is today the only person in my family who still needs to apply for the visa. I wonder what do we need to do for him to get a PR?” Vits asks.

TO UNIFY, SIMPLIFY SYSTEM

As part of China’s continuous efforts to lure back talents, it had in January rolled out a new policy on overseas Chinese.

Effective February 2018, ethnic Chinese living overseas will be able to apply for a five-year, multiple-entry visa – from a previous maximum one-year period.

“If they reside in China for work or to study or family reunion, they can apply for a 5-year long-term resident permit,” says Cai Baodi, director at the Shanghai’s Entry and Exit Administration Bureau.

“We have about 180,000 foreigners residing here in Shanghai; 60-70 percent of them are overseas Chinese. This new policy can encourage them to come back to Shanghai to work, study or see their families,” Cai says.

Meanwhile, Cheng Jianping, chairperson of the University Council at Beijing Normal University, cites the Shanghai Zhangjiang National Innovation Demonstration Zone as a good example of attracting foreign talents, where the documentation process for expats is said to be easier than applying for a Chinese PR.

Cheng calls for two things going forward. Firstly, he says there should be different regulations for different industries.

“Secondly, there are too many departments and ministries managing this [foreigners’ green cards], so rules and regulations are not centralized. If China wants to be a great power in the next few years, this needs to be solved,” Cheng says.

1deac1ec-50a2-46bd-82f9-4d6e199616f6.jpg

Cheng Jianping says if one were to work long-term in China, he or she should be treated equally as citizens. /CGTN photo by cameraman Wang Jigang

Cheng, a member of China's top political advisory body, the Chinese People's Political Consultative Conference (CPPCC), says that not only more green cards should be given to foreigners but those who already possess cards to be able to enjoy more rights.

And what about the issue of retaining these talents?

“Thus, it is particularly important to provide foreigners with a platform to work, learn, interact and grow,” he says.

As for Vits, he is grateful for having obtained his green card. He says one can’t deny China’s significance at the world stage.

“I think every foreign company that has growth ambitions; sooner or later it has to develop business relationships in China or with China. So, there is not any doubt in my mind that China, from a professional point of view, is probably one of the best places [to live and work] in the world.”

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They don't need to. They already have it in China themselves.
 
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In soccer ,yes, so many world best players are coming to China to play, talents go where pays them more.
 
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Not right now. Right now, China and the rest of Asia is flooded with trash - particularly ESL "teachers". They need to clean up the regulations and only allow valuable people in [AI scientists particularly those working on artificial general intelligence, competition winners, award winners, child prodigies, high IQ, stem, or some talent that we need eg filmmaking, public relations, dissidents of the Anglo-European-American regimes with useful information]. China should also poach useful people even if they're not needed to kill off their competitors faster.

They need to deport everyone else. China is too crowded to provide charity.
Attracting ethnic Chinese is priority.
No matter how high IQ a non-Chinese has, it's simply impossible to assimilate.
Hence, most foreigners in China are living in isolation.
 
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Not right now. Right now, China and the rest of Asia is flooded with trash - particularly ESL "teachers". They need to clean up the regulations and only allow valuable people in [AI scientists particularly those working on artificial general intelligence, competition winners, award winners, child prodigies, high IQ, stem, or some talent that we need eg filmmaking, public relations, dissidents of the Anglo-European-American regimes with useful information]. China should also poach useful people even if they're not needed to kill off their competitors faster.

They need to deport everyone else. China is too crowded to provide charity.
Those so call teachers are racist sexpat. Comes to China to teach, but talk shit on China. They are racist, but claim its about CPC.

Attracting ethnic Chinese is priority.
No matter how high IQ a non-Chinese has, it's simply impossible to assimilate.
Hence, most foreigners in China are living in isolation.
Falun Gong is actually promoting multi-culture and open borders. Hence that is why they are using the name New Tang Dynasty. I saw foreign documentaries praising Tang dynasty because it is "progressive". Perhaps its not wise to create another An-Lushan.
 
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Attracting ethnic Chinese is priority.
No matter how high IQ a non-Chinese has, it's simply impossible to assimilate.
Hence, most foreigners in China are living in isolation.

And that is why USA will continue to rule.They take away the best minds from all over the world regardless of ethnic considerations,something other nations aren't really able to match on scale.Huge numbers of chinese,indian,korean guys - they study here but then USA poaches them away for their own progress,so its a waste for the home countries .This is one of USA's greatest strengths,they can take talented people from worldwide others except some european ones have to rely on solely national talent.Visa ban by trump if implemented will be a boon for developing countries to stop the brain drain.
 
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About 80% of Green Card holders are ethnic Chinese and those from Confucian areas (Koreans, mostly).

For others, the threshold is extremely high. I guess it is getting higher day by day as scientific standards are rising in China daily.

Of course we from Taiwan area do not need one :D
 
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Let the foreigners in, in large number, and Chinese will start speaking English as their first language. In the end, US win. Because US can convert Chinese into English speakers, and think like US people. Then the US propaganda machine will win Chinese hearts and minds out of China.
 
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I think, China may not need outsiders as it is not a nation of immigrants unlike US...US has its strength in providing equality to all forms of immigrants in their nation because, their system is designed like that. China has a different culture and different intentions..So i doubt it will happen in near future.
 
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Too many liberal minded people in CPC. Must start killing them off or US will win.the day China issue green card, China loses. I will turn pro India and mock China.
 
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About 80% of Green Card holders are ethnic Chinese and those from Confucian areas (Koreans, mostly).

For others, the threshold is extremely high. I guess it is getting higher day by day as scientific standards are rising in China daily.

Of course we from Taiwan area do not need one :D
Look at those foreigners in HK. None of them are making any scientific achievement. If China allow green cards, China loses. Might as well become another US colony and allow a US base in Hainan.
 
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