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Good, now apply the same logic in the case of let gen. kishan pal as well
I am proud of the Kargil operation: Musharraf
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Good, now apply the same logic in the case of let gen. kishan pal as well
gen Pal had fought the battle in first hand. Gen Aziz was not part of Battle plain from pak army. Maybe thats why he is trying to take revenge.
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He was the DG of ISI that time. what if I say kishan pal is a fraud and under allegations and can't be trust worthy.
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no he wasnt.
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again living in denial???? the whole world says something else and u something else!!!
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hopefully next time when you see, all 3 angles of kargill, you also remember to open your eyes, which were closed in the dam love of udhar tum, idhar hum
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shoe not shoe, but still kargill is the real dent which musharaf brutlly did to india, & as whole nation, it has greatly has distrubed the whole nation?Hope Mushi is proud of shoe also....same thing for him Kargil or shoe
prime examples can be seen, whenever some thread comes up, & most of indian members unsuccsessfully kept trying to win it on PDF?
it kept giving every indian the needed pain? anyway?
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The physiological effect of Kargil war on Indian army became apparent during the 2002 stand off when India mobilised and deployed several hundred thousand soldiers on the border but then lost the appetite for any adventure, the Indian army remained paralysed on the border for almost one year and with low moral unilaterally pulled back after suffering hundreds of casualties.
Casualties
The standoff inflicted heavy casualties. 789 to 1874 Indian soldiers died during the conflict, and more than 100 more were injured. Around 100 soldiers were killed in the initial phase of laying mines, another 250 were injured. The remaining casualties were a result of artillery duels with Pakistan and vehicle accidents. Pakistan Army suffered 34 casualties and 10 injuries.
Cost of standoff
The Indian cost for the buildup was 216 billion (US$4.0 billion) being much greater than that of Pakistani $1.4 billion.
Casualties
The standoff inflicted heavy casualties. 789 to 1874 Indian soldiers died during the conflict, and more than 100 more were injured. Around 100 soldiers were killed in the initial phase of laying mines, another 250 were injured. The remaining casualties were a result of artillery duels with Pakistan and vehicle accidents. Pakistan Army suffered 34 casualties and 10 injuries.
Cost of standoff
The Indian cost for the buildup was 216 billion (US$4.0 billion) being much greater than that of Pakistani $1.4 billion.
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What about those soldiers bodies whom you guys refused to take back. As your own army gen. Aziz has acknowledged on pakistan TV that numbers were more than thousand who died.
Pakistan didn't had the appetite to continue kargil adventure, nobody stopped you then and nobody is stopping you now. Siachin is there, Kashmir is there, Bangladesh is there, so many options you got. You are welcome to try anytime.
What about those soldiers bodies whom you guys refused to take back. As your own army gen. Aziz has acknowledged on pakistan TV that numbers were more than thousand who died.
Pakistan didn't had the appetite to continue kargil adventure, nobody stopped you then and nobody is stopping you now. Siachin is there, Kashmir is there, Bangladesh is there, so many options you got. You are welcome to try anytime.
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Weeks before Kargil conflict, Pervez Musharraf crossed LoC, spent night in India: Aide
ISLAMABAD: Weeks before hostilities erupted between Indian and Pakistani troops in the Kargil sector in 1999, Gen Pervez Musharraf crossed the Line of Control in a helicopter and spent a night at a location 11 km inside Indian territory, a former aide to the military ruler has said.
Col (retired) Ashfaq Hussain, who was a senior officer in the Pakistan Army's media arm, said Musharraf flew across the LoC on March 28, 1999 and travelled 11 km into the Indian side.
Musharraf, who was accompanied by Brig Masood Aslam, then commander of 80 Brigade, spent the night at a spot called Zikria Mustaqar, where Pakistani troops commanded by Col Amjad Shabbir were present.
Musharraf, who was then army chief, returned the next day. Hussain first made the revelation in his book 'Witness to Blunder: Kargil Story Unfolds', which was published in late 2008.
He repeated the assertion last night on a television talk show on the Kargil episode in the wake of Lt Gen (retd) Shahid Aziz's assertion that the intrusions by Pakistani troops were planned by a group of four generals led by Musharraf.
He further said Pakistani troops first intruded into the Indian side of the LoC on December 18, 1998, when Captains Nadeem and Ali and Havaldar Lalik Jan were sent on a reconnaissance mission.
"They were never told about the aims and objectives of their mission. Even for a recce, they were not provided any briefing or objectives," he said.
Shortly after this, several units were told to cross the LoC and occupy positions on the Indian side. Several units competed with each other to go further into the Indian side.
The intrusions were spotted by a shepherd who informed Indian troops, he said.
Like the initial reconnaissance mission, there were no aims or objectives set out for the entire Kargil operation, which was masterminded by Maj Gen Javed Hassan, then chief of the Force Command Northern Areas, Hussain said.
Hassan drew up the plan to occupy Indian positions along the LoC and convinced then Rawalpindi Corps Commander Lt Gen Mahmud Ahmad, then Chief of General Staff Lt Gen Mohammad Aziz and Musharraf to back the venture, Hussain said.
Hostilities between Indian and Pakistani troops broke out in early May, over a month after Musharraf crossed the LoC and spent a night on the Indian side.
Besides troops from the Northern Light Infantry, soldiers from 31 Azad Kashmir Regiment, 24 Sindh Regiment, Frontier Force Regiment and artillery units participated in the Kargil operation, Hussain said.
Hussain, who based his book on interviews with officers who participated in the fighting in Kargil, dismissed Musharraf's claim that the operation was a success.
"It was a success only till Pakistani forces came face to face with the enemy. In winter, both sides abandoned their positions under a recognised procedure. Our troops crossed the LoC at a time when the enemy was not present. Our troops were not even informed why they were being sent across the LoC," he said.
"I asked commanding officers and brigade commanders about the aims and objectives of the operation but none of them had answer," he added.
The generals who planned the operation had believed that the Indian side would not detect the intrusions till late May or early June 1999 but their surmise proved to be wrong, Hussain said.
Hussain also dismissed Musharraf's recent assertion that Pakistan had lost only 270 soldiers during the Kargil conflict.
"According to my research, there were over 1,000 casualties on the Pakistani side. The official data (on casualties) was hidden and cannot be accessed," Hussain said.
Referring to the main opposition PML-N's demand for a judicial commission to probe the Kargil conflict in the wake of Lt Gen (retd.) Aziz's revelations, Hussain said any such inquiry panel should seek all reports on the fighting from the army's General Headquarters so that the true figures for casualties could be made public.
Though Aziz has said that information he had gathered suggested that then premier Nawaz Sharif was aware of the Kargil operation, Hussain contended that Sharif only learnt of the intrusions at an army briefing in Rawalpindi on May 17, 1999.
Weeks before Kargil conflict, Pervez Musharraf crossed LoC, spent night in India: Aide - Economic Times
ISLAMABAD: Weeks before hostilities erupted between Indian and Pakistani troops in the Kargil sector in 1999, Gen Pervez Musharraf crossed the Line of Control in a helicopter and spent a night at a location 11 km inside Indian territory, a former aide to the military ruler has said.
Col (retired) Ashfaq Hussain, who was a senior officer in the Pakistan Army's media arm, said Musharraf flew across the LoC on March 28, 1999 and travelled 11 km into the Indian side.
Musharraf, who was accompanied by Brig Masood Aslam, then commander of 80 Brigade, spent the night at a spot called Zikria Mustaqar, where Pakistani troops commanded by Col Amjad Shabbir were present.
Musharraf, who was then army chief, returned the next day. Hussain first made the revelation in his book 'Witness to Blunder: Kargil Story Unfolds', which was published in late 2008.
He repeated the assertion last night on a television talk show on the Kargil episode in the wake of Lt Gen (retd) Shahid Aziz's assertion that the intrusions by Pakistani troops were planned by a group of four generals led by Musharraf.
He further said Pakistani troops first intruded into the Indian side of the LoC on December 18, 1998, when Captains Nadeem and Ali and Havaldar Lalik Jan were sent on a reconnaissance mission.
"They were never told about the aims and objectives of their mission. Even for a recce, they were not provided any briefing or objectives," he said.
Shortly after this, several units were told to cross the LoC and occupy positions on the Indian side. Several units competed with each other to go further into the Indian side.
The intrusions were spotted by a shepherd who informed Indian troops, he said.
Like the initial reconnaissance mission, there were no aims or objectives set out for the entire Kargil operation, which was masterminded by Maj Gen Javed Hassan, then chief of the Force Command Northern Areas, Hussain said.
Hassan drew up the plan to occupy Indian positions along the LoC and convinced then Rawalpindi Corps Commander Lt Gen Mahmud Ahmad, then Chief of General Staff Lt Gen Mohammad Aziz and Musharraf to back the venture, Hussain said.
Hostilities between Indian and Pakistani troops broke out in early May, over a month after Musharraf crossed the LoC and spent a night on the Indian side.
Besides troops from the Northern Light Infantry, soldiers from 31 Azad Kashmir Regiment, 24 Sindh Regiment, Frontier Force Regiment and artillery units participated in the Kargil operation, Hussain said.
Hussain, who based his book on interviews with officers who participated in the fighting in Kargil, dismissed Musharraf's claim that the operation was a success.
"It was a success only till Pakistani forces came face to face with the enemy. In winter, both sides abandoned their positions under a recognised procedure. Our troops crossed the LoC at a time when the enemy was not present. Our troops were not even informed why they were being sent across the LoC," he said.
"I asked commanding officers and brigade commanders about the aims and objectives of the operation but none of them had answer," he added.
The generals who planned the operation had believed that the Indian side would not detect the intrusions till late May or early June 1999 but their surmise proved to be wrong, Hussain said.
Hussain also dismissed Musharraf's recent assertion that Pakistan had lost only 270 soldiers during the Kargil conflict.
"According to my research, there were over 1,000 casualties on the Pakistani side. The official data (on casualties) was hidden and cannot be accessed," Hussain said.
Referring to the main opposition PML-N's demand for a judicial commission to probe the Kargil conflict in the wake of Lt Gen (retd.) Aziz's revelations, Hussain said any such inquiry panel should seek all reports on the fighting from the army's General Headquarters so that the true figures for casualties could be made public.
Though Aziz has said that information he had gathered suggested that then premier Nawaz Sharif was aware of the Kargil operation, Hussain contended that Sharif only learnt of the intrusions at an army briefing in Rawalpindi on May 17, 1999.
Weeks before Kargil conflict, Pervez Musharraf crossed LoC, spent night in India: Aide - Economic Times
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shoe not shoe, but still kargill is the real dent which musharaf brutlly did to india, & as whole nation, it has greatly has distrubed the whole nation?
prime examples can be seen, whenever some thread comes up, & most of indian members unsuccsessfully kept trying to win it on PDF?
it kept giving every indian the needed pain? anyway?
Actually, the families of the dead in Pakistan who didn't get the bodies, because Musharraf the Great claimed that they weren't Pakistani, fell much more pain than any Indians do.
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