Hypothetical defence systems
- Thread starter Safriz
- Start date
Safriz
BANNED
- Joined
- Aug 30, 2010
- Messages
- 20,845
- Reaction score
- -1
- Country
- Location
First idea...
Radar Decoy missiles...
This will be a ballistic or cruise missile aimed at overwhelming enemy's Air defense systems..The warhead will be loaded with little decoys of a certain type of plane with same Radar cross section.
For example a warhead loaded with little decoys of Mig-29 fired ahead of an invading squadron of Migs..The warhead opens at an altitude and launches dozens of decoys,which may have pyrotechnics inside to give them linear velocity for a short period of time so that to a radar station they looks like an armada of Migs...SAMs get fired,and enemy looses their Defense assets...When the real Migs arrive they will face less or no threat.
Smilarly...
Replacing Warheads on a ballistic missile with Electronic warfare system,such as a radar Jamming pod or Pods with some sort of power source...The advantage of these being delivered by a ballistic missile will be that they can be there as and when required with speed...Fighter jet's weapon carrying capacity wont be used for Electronic warfare...
Imagine a squadron of fighter jets approaching target and enemy radars are tracking them and waiting to come within the range of their missiles.with well calculated timing a ballistic missile with Jamming equipment is launched.The missile delivers the Jamming equipment with hypersonic speed exactly when required.The warhead releases a Jamming pod just when the Invading Squadron enters enemy missile's strike range.The Pod deploys a parachute and stays in the air effectively jamming enemy elctronics.Enemy radars get blinded for X minutes and the Fighter jets complete their mission and fly out of the Enemy air defense strike range.
Radar Decoy missiles...
This will be a ballistic or cruise missile aimed at overwhelming enemy's Air defense systems..The warhead will be loaded with little decoys of a certain type of plane with same Radar cross section.
For example a warhead loaded with little decoys of Mig-29 fired ahead of an invading squadron of Migs..The warhead opens at an altitude and launches dozens of decoys,which may have pyrotechnics inside to give them linear velocity for a short period of time so that to a radar station they looks like an armada of Migs...SAMs get fired,and enemy looses their Defense assets...When the real Migs arrive they will face less or no threat.
Smilarly...
Replacing Warheads on a ballistic missile with Electronic warfare system,such as a radar Jamming pod or Pods with some sort of power source...The advantage of these being delivered by a ballistic missile will be that they can be there as and when required with speed...Fighter jet's weapon carrying capacity wont be used for Electronic warfare...
Imagine a squadron of fighter jets approaching target and enemy radars are tracking them and waiting to come within the range of their missiles.with well calculated timing a ballistic missile with Jamming equipment is launched.The missile delivers the Jamming equipment with hypersonic speed exactly when required.The warhead releases a Jamming pod just when the Invading Squadron enters enemy missile's strike range.The Pod deploys a parachute and stays in the air effectively jamming enemy elctronics.Enemy radars get blinded for X minutes and the Fighter jets complete their mission and fly out of the Enemy air defense strike range.
Last edited by a moderator:
Safriz
BANNED
- Joined
- Aug 30, 2010
- Messages
- 20,845
- Reaction score
- -1
- Country
- Location
Anti stealth....
Stealth is stealth for radar waves but not for visible light...What if we can devise a way of visually detecting and tracking planes?
Atmospheric interference due to moisture,dust and clouds can be a hurdle.
But all these factors are restricted below the tropopause,as no clouds rise above that layer of atmosphere.Looking from down up can be troublesome,but what if we could look from above?
A light solar plane with military grade high resolution camera,flying around at very high altitudes?A large number of such planes can cover the whole country...visually..The high resolution video feed is transmitted for processing to a computer with software to pick any plane like thing in the video frames.There are many off the shelf CCTV software doing similar thing already,so developing a software which can identify a plane in the video wont be that difficult.Planes dimensions are known,and how big or small it appears in the video will tell the plane's distance from the Camera.If the plane's exact position and altitude are known,the software can calculate the position of Intruding plane with accuracy.
Such a system will be for reference to existing radars,as no matter how stealthy a plane is,they do have a radar signature,although minute enough to be missed..With a visual system telling the radar that a plane has been detected in such and such area,the radar can cross reference and single out the Stealth plane's tiny blip from clutter.
Problem can be at night,and if the plane is flying in cloud cover.
Stealth is stealth for radar waves but not for visible light...What if we can devise a way of visually detecting and tracking planes?
Atmospheric interference due to moisture,dust and clouds can be a hurdle.
But all these factors are restricted below the tropopause,as no clouds rise above that layer of atmosphere.Looking from down up can be troublesome,but what if we could look from above?
A light solar plane with military grade high resolution camera,flying around at very high altitudes?A large number of such planes can cover the whole country...visually..The high resolution video feed is transmitted for processing to a computer with software to pick any plane like thing in the video frames.There are many off the shelf CCTV software doing similar thing already,so developing a software which can identify a plane in the video wont be that difficult.Planes dimensions are known,and how big or small it appears in the video will tell the plane's distance from the Camera.If the plane's exact position and altitude are known,the software can calculate the position of Intruding plane with accuracy.
Such a system will be for reference to existing radars,as no matter how stealthy a plane is,they do have a radar signature,although minute enough to be missed..With a visual system telling the radar that a plane has been detected in such and such area,the radar can cross reference and single out the Stealth plane's tiny blip from clutter.
Problem can be at night,and if the plane is flying in cloud cover.
Safriz
BANNED
- Joined
- Aug 30, 2010
- Messages
- 20,845
- Reaction score
- -1
- Country
- Location
Rapier same as any other missile is totally radar based.My hypothetical system is a hybrid..Visual +Radar
daanish
FULL MEMBER
New Recruit
- Joined
- Nov 22, 2010
- Messages
- 13
- Reaction score
- 0
there will be difference in the speed of a missile and an aircraft
anyway it can be taken care
but the concept you are giving is practical and actually israelis applied this doctrine in war with arabs when they didn't want to loose even single F-15 cos they were so costly at that time ...
so they sent several UAVs before launching an attack just to nullify the new bought russian SAM systems and infiltrate the air defence
daanish
FULL MEMBER
New Recruit
- Joined
- Nov 22, 2010
- Messages
- 13
- Reaction score
- 0
My version of Anti stealth :
24/7 surveillance of borders, important assets , airfeilds(enemy) by a Spy satellite.
and as any threat is detecte it can be neutralize using different tactics
like:
1. scrambling jets
2. hypersonic anti aircraft missiles
3. satellite LASER defence system (BTW rumor is US is developing such defence system)
Safriz
BANNED
- Joined
- Aug 30, 2010
- Messages
- 20,845
- Reaction score
- -1
- Country
- Location
My version of Anti stealth :
24/7 surveillance of borders, important assets , airfeilds(enemy) by a Spy satellite.
and as any threat is detecte it can be neutralize using different tactics
like:
1. scrambling jets
2. hypersonic anti aircraft missiles
3. satellite LASER defence system (BTW rumor is US is developing such defence system)
Spy satellites are low or medium earth orbit satellites which cannot be kept stationary on any country.You can only monitor a certain place on earth when the satellite is passing on it.Plus its expensive to launch satellites.
LASER based defense systems have been tried in various forms since the cold war,and all failed.
Chogy
PROFESSIONAL
- Joined
- Jun 17, 2010
- Messages
- 2,228
- Reaction score
- 0
One old option (WW2) which might see new life with modern technology is acoustic detection. A pair of mechanical "ears" are mounted and spaced widely, and their azimuth and elevation (when they detect jet noise) can at least give a rough location of almost any airframe.
There are plenty of problems, but I think the potential is there.
Acoustic Listening Devices
I know this looks goofy, but replace the man with high-speed computers, the horns with modern sound-collection devices, and servo-activated directional systems.
Unfortunately, with supersonic aircraft, they'd be past you before you heard anything! But they might be able to detect a subsonic gaggle of strikers getting ready for a push.
There are plenty of problems, but I think the potential is there.
Acoustic Listening Devices
I know this looks goofy, but replace the man with high-speed computers, the horns with modern sound-collection devices, and servo-activated directional systems.
Unfortunately, with supersonic aircraft, they'd be past you before you heard anything! But they might be able to detect a subsonic gaggle of strikers getting ready for a push.
indushek
SENIOR MEMBER
- Joined
- Apr 6, 2010
- Messages
- 3,732
- Reaction score
- -1
- Country
- Location
I think the most danger in any war lies from submarines leaving aside planes. So i would want to have a system of underwater sonar very powerful and along with it lots of mechanical fishes which act as as listening pods and seeing ones too if possible!!! In addition some mechanical dolphins which interact with these smaller fish regularly like network centric in true sense and when the sub is detected the dolphin just goes and attaches itself to the sub where it releases some i don't know may be plasma waves or whatever and the sub is incapacitated in respect to power supply and communications jammed. Thus the sub is forced to raise to the surface.
Something on the lines of science fiction what do u say guys???
Something on the lines of science fiction what do u say guys???
Safriz
BANNED
- Joined
- Aug 30, 2010
- Messages
- 20,845
- Reaction score
- -1
- Country
- Location
One old option (WW2) which might see new life with modern technology is acoustic detection. A pair of mechanical "ears" are mounted and spaced widely, and their azimuth and elevation (when they detect jet noise) can at least give a rough location of almost any airframe.
There are plenty of problems, but I think the potential is there.
Acoustic Listening Devices
I know this looks goofy, but replace the man with high-speed computers, the horns with modern sound-collection devices, and servo-activated directional systems.
Unfortunately, with supersonic aircraft, they'd be past you before you heard anything! But they might be able to detect a subsonic gaggle of strikers getting ready for a push.
Not sure about defense..But a similar system has been very successful in combating Gun crimes.
YouTube - GOOD LOOK: Gunshot Detection
johnny boy
FULL MEMBER
- Joined
- Mar 30, 2010
- Messages
- 375
- Reaction score
- 0
cant we have high emission radar waves to intercept and destroy all missiles!!!!!!!!!!!like a high beam radar wave that will fry out all the circuits of the incoming missile....
Safriz
BANNED
- Joined
- Aug 30, 2010
- Messages
- 20,845
- Reaction score
- -1
- Country
- Location
Anti Ballistic missiles are essentially missiles trying to hit incoming Warhead..But that as difficult to hit one bullet with another.
How about a kill cloud instead of a direct contact kill vehicle?
We all know that ICBMs are re entry missiles and upon re entry at roundabout mach 20 the warhead is surrounded by plasma which on its own can kill the warhead,only if it can breach the protective heat shield,be it ceramic or any other type.
Now if there was a way of breaching the heat shield? Something similar happened to a space shuttle(i don't remember the name),the heat shield was breached,Plasma found its way into the vehicle and blasted it into smithereens.
If an ICBM's path can be predicted vaguely,we can fill missile defense missiles with some sort of chaff? May be Tungsten carbide or synthetic diamond? which is hard enough to breach any surface on impact? A shrapnel cloud of many hundred meters across can be created in the predicted path of the incoming missile. As the missile passes through the chaff cloud,the heat protection is breached and plasma will do the rest?
Instead of missiles,even cannons can be used to fire chaff at high altitude directly in the approximate path of incoming missile.
Well,just an idea.
How about a kill cloud instead of a direct contact kill vehicle?
We all know that ICBMs are re entry missiles and upon re entry at roundabout mach 20 the warhead is surrounded by plasma which on its own can kill the warhead,only if it can breach the protective heat shield,be it ceramic or any other type.
Now if there was a way of breaching the heat shield? Something similar happened to a space shuttle(i don't remember the name),the heat shield was breached,Plasma found its way into the vehicle and blasted it into smithereens.
If an ICBM's path can be predicted vaguely,we can fill missile defense missiles with some sort of chaff? May be Tungsten carbide or synthetic diamond? which is hard enough to breach any surface on impact? A shrapnel cloud of many hundred meters across can be created in the predicted path of the incoming missile. As the missile passes through the chaff cloud,the heat protection is breached and plasma will do the rest?
Instead of missiles,even cannons can be used to fire chaff at high altitude directly in the approximate path of incoming missile.
Well,just an idea.
Similar threads
