Hybrid wheat successfully harvested in Pakistan: Global Times

[Indus Pakistan]

The British didnt just magically introduce seeds and stuff they took our seeds and bred them with seeds from other countries. I would know coz I worked on such stuff...

I never said that did I? All cultivars are evolved from previous cultivars. You can't make something out of nothing.

 

[Dubious]

No. Before I answer rest of your uninformed post how could the freakin world know the "granary of the world" when there was no such thing as India.

Who you been listening to? That Hindu faggot Shashi Tharoor?

You do know that East, Central and South Asia is the mother of wheat? Meaning the oldest varieties originated from these regions...You can search it up..You may find my own thesis on it!

Central Asia and South Asia is the cradle of many crops! These were picked up by the British and taken back as seeds and plants to grow in their labs and experiment with...Even today ancestral wheat is found in Central Asia!

 

[Indus Pakistan]

I was just watching this on YT. This is most of what is now Northern Pakistan from 1750 onwards. I don't see any "Indian granary" anywhere.

 

[Dubious]

I never said that did I? All cultivars are evolved from previous cultivars. You can't make something out of nothing.

But giving all the credit to British and claiming south Asia was semi arid is equally wrong!

 

[Dubious]

I was just watching this on YT. This is most of what is now Northern Pakistan from 1750 onwards. I don't see any "Indian granary" anywhere.

This doesnt actually show the agricultural landscape

 

[war&peace]

No. Before I answer rest of your uninformed post how could the freakin world know the "granary of the world" when there was no such thing as India.

Who you been listening to? That Hindu faggot Shashi Tharoor?

My post is not uninformed

I mean the subcontinent. It was known as India to the world but Bharat or Gangadesh later took this name for Republic of India..which is wrong. It should in fact be republic of Ganga or simply Gangadesh. As India comes from Indus and that the river flows through whole of Pakistan from the north to the south. So Gangadesh is using a wrong name.

 

[war&peace]

We have facilities, we just dont have talent...New technology and talent isnt welcomed in Pakistani research due to the mafia sitting there and just receiving pay while doing minimum work

We have talent... it is just not being utilised as the corrupt and incompetent people are sitting at the top positions.

 

[Indus Pakistan]

You do know that East, Central and South Asia is the mother of wheat?

I have no idea of Asia but I know most likely Ancient Pakistan was probably source of wheat and not surprising since it was cradle of human civilzation. You want to give that credit to India or Asia go ahead.

I will insist on giving credit for wheat to Mehr Garh, Harappa in the Indus region of what is now Pakistan as the source of wheat. Of course it spread and has been improved over the millenia.

 

[Indus Pakistan]

I mean the subcontinent

I have reconfigured my mind not to think along the lines of sub-continent which is itself a arbitrary construct. If I need to I will use the neutral term South Asia. That said my interest is only Pakistan and the space it occupies - the Indus Basin. I have no interest in Asia, South Asia etc.

This is Pakistan Defence. Not South Asian Defence. Or Indian Sub-continent defence etc. The British Raj died 71 years ago. Time to move on and develop a separate identity and that begins by reifying a separate continuum or timeline unique to this country.

 

[Dubious]

I have no idea of Asia but I know most likely Ancient Pakistan was probably source of wheat and not surprising since it was cradle of human civilzation. You want to give that credit to India or Asia go ahead.

I will insist on giving credit for wheat to Mehr Garh, Harappa in the Indus region of what is now Pakistan as the source of wheat. Of course it spread and has been improved over the millenia.

It is a fact that a lot of ancestral crops came from Turkey region expanding to central Asia (Iraq region where Mesopotamia is considered the cradle of civilization)...However, wheat has a few varieties as well and there are theories of who domesticated what first...However, like any commercialized crop, the gene pool has been narrowed due to self breeding...

What the green revolution did was self pollinated alot of crops making them "pure breed" ...this resulted in no new genes coming in and thus weak to the new pest and diseases!

Alot of research is being done to cross crops (not just wheat even some apples, barley, corn, pulses) with ancestral crops...here are some research articles explaining some stuff:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25035499

http://science.sciencemag.org/content/345/6194/1250092.full

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4488568/

 

[Dubious]

We have talent... it is just not being utilised as the corrupt and incompetent people are sitting at the top positions.

Exactly, the process to even get into the inner circle is tedious...

 

[Dubious]

I have reconfigured my mind not to think along the lines of sub-continent which is itself a arbitrary construct. If I need to I will use the neutral term South Asia. That said my interest is only Pakistan and the space it occupies - the Indus Basin. I have no interest in Asia, South Asia etc.

This is Pakistan Defence. Not South Asian Defence. Or Indian Sub-continent defence etc. The British Raj died 71 years ago. Time to move on and develop a separate identity and that begins by reifying a separate continuum or timeline unique to this country.

This is why I put this under science and technology...Which is not narrowed to defence but also other fields that concerns a country like food

 

[war&peace]

Exactly, the process to even get into the inner circle is tedious...

A Pakistani student did PhD from NIBGIE (Forgive if I misspelled it) and then he came to USA for a post-doc on a scholarship and we became friends there. After finishing his post-doc, he went back to Pakistan as per the requirement of the scholarship but he did not get a proper position. He spent two years in Pakistan finding a suitable position in research. He belonged to a middle class family and his parents were teachers so they did not own any reasonable amount of farm land. So he secured another international scholarship and went to Japan...

 

[Dubious]

A Pakistani student did PhD from NIBGIE (Forgive if I misspelled it) and then he came to USA for a post-doc on a scholarship and we became friends there. After finishing his post-doc, he went back to Pakistan as per the requirement of the scholarship but he did not get a proper position. He spent two years in Pakistan finding a suitable position in research. He belonged to a middle class family and his parents were teachers so they did not own any reasonable amount of farm land. So he secured another international scholarship and went to Japan...

I understand...it isnt easy to get in...Not even on merit!

 

[sathya]

You guys are doomed. The hybrid wheat is good in quantity but you can't use the seed to sow and produce again. The indigenous wheat of Pakistan was of best quality. I am a student of geography so I have read about vegitation and agricultural practices.

even in India ,lots of genetically engineered plantations, livestock have conquered the market.

there are some patches of opposition without much support.

Some group even tried to revive native hounds, which are almost at the verge of extinction.

All that said , with money , farmers cannot survive . where ever the profits are, htey ll follow.

Even the mightiest of companies look to cut costs importing Chinese parts, what can a poor farmer do ?

 

[AMG_12]

We have facilities, we just dont have talent...New technology and talent isnt welcomed in Pakistani research due to the mafia sitting there and just receiving pay while doing minimum work

Well that's true, I saw the condition of NARC and the people who work there. If research isn't welcomed, how do you think we should progress forward? Should we stick to using the old varieties from 90s and let our farmers suffer in the face of other competing countries? Should we loose our markets? No, we have to source the seeds from other countries. Maybe we will never be able to get rid of the Mafia who has taken the country's research facilities hostage, should we remain in stoneage? We have to improvise and get things done.