Hussain Haqqani | My Country Supports Terrorism

[JanjaWeed]

Its just not funny! Is'nt it really absurd? How can a Citizen of another country uphold and defend the interests of yet another Country? Can Loyalty be divided?
Then the Chief Justice of Pakistan can be a British Citizen?
Or the Chief of Naval Staff can even be a Somali Citizen?
Really; scenes from "Alice in Wonderland".

It's really funny with these lot. Loyalty at the higher ups are based on opportunity. Their current Punjab Governor was a British MP for 13 yrs till 2010. & now his son is an elected MP from Glasgow while his father switched his loyalty to Pakistan. Enjoying the best of both worlds, Isn't that wonderful?...

 

[SQ8]

But shouldnt the bigger question be that why should we trust him after what he did. If he has prove then he should make it public, all we see him doing after every couple of months is issue a similar statement against Pakistan, and reignite the issue.

Haqqani was/is/will be a snake. His agenda should have been clear earlier and as such his pro-Pakistan stance during his tenure was to keep his perks with the PPP government. The problem is that while his accusations are mostly hogwash, they hold certain truths in them that then plays well with the popular suspect on the block; ISI and the Pakistani military. The question is not of trusting him, but ensuring that his accusations no longer any ground at all. While this will have no effect on media perceptions it will have an effect on international government officials.

It's really funny with these lot. Loyalty at the higher ups are based on opportunity. Their current Punjab Governor was a British MP for 13 yrs till 2010. & now his son is an elected MP from Glasgow while his father switched his loyalty to Pakistan. Enjoying the best of both worlds, Isn't that wonderful?...

You just made him a target. That being said, the circumstances of the governor and Haqqani are slightly different.
Moreover, considering that becoming a MP from Govan which is essentially mini Punjab did give him political experience and perhaps some credibility in good governance.

 

[JanjaWeed]

You just made him a target. That being said, the circumstances of the governor and Haqqani are slightly different.
Moreover, considering that becoming a MP from Govan which is essentially mini Punjab did give him political experience and perhaps some credibility in good governance.

My intention was not to make him a target. Just to make a point that duel loyalty is not just limited to one or two individuals in Pakistani politics.

Btw I'm not really conversant with the criteria you guys have for Governorship. If it's about political experience... then I'm quite sure there are many in Pakistan who may be more experienced than Mohammad Sarwar. If you are talking about credibility, then this man is not free of any taint either when he was a Parliamentarian in Britain!

All I can say... what counts in Pakistan is not the loyalty to Pakistani nation, but to the man who is on the throne in Pakistan!

 

[rockstar08]

Bloody traitor , MC , BC , All galiyan from to A to Z to this ****** , USA and Isreal ki najayez Ullad , haram khor , jis thaali mai khayen gay , usi mai mootain gay ...

 

[Capt.Popeye]

It's really funny with these lot. Loyalty at the higher ups are based on opportunity. Their current Punjab Governor was a British MP for 13 yrs till 2010. & now his son is an elected MP from Glasgow while his father switched his loyalty to Pakistan. Enjoying the best of both worlds, Isn't that wonderful?...

Wonderful? Its simply bl00dy incredible! And their system even sanctions such an arrangement!
Then these guys cry: "that guy did us in" and "that guy is'nt even even our Citizen".
Of course it gives the perpetrators of all the "shenanigans" a good chance to "hot-foot" out of the country, sit somewhere else and watch the hapless "miskeen" roughing it out back home and wear a smug smile.
At least of half of Pakistan's Leaders have had to run like hell outta the Country and live someplace else under "self-imposed exile"lol while the other half have all created the means to do so!
So it begs the question: in light of this 'great arrangement existing', will the COAS of the PA some day be a US Citizen?

And that poor sod Siddharth Varadarajan lost his job as Editor of "The Hindu" just because he is'nt an Indian Citizen. How he must be wishing that he was born across the border.

 

[SarthakGanguly]

Bloody traitor , MC , BC , All galiyan from to A to Z to this ****** , USA and Isreal ki najayez Ullad , haram khor , jis thaali mai khayen gay , usi mai mootain gay ...

USA or Israel ka aulaad insaan kaise?
Is it true that Pakistan allows dual citizenship? This is a valid question as many are suggesting that leaders of UK have held offices in Pakistan or vice versa.

 

[RazPaK]

Stop being a terrorist sympathizer.

As for HS.. this simple statement shows the little clues to where things are.



Protecting them from what?

LHC adjourns Hafiz Saeed case for indefinite period - thenews.com.pk

Please tell me how your post is relevant to providing proof against him?

 

[Solomon2]

The writer Jeffery Goldberg is an Israeli Zionist. He is a former ADF member.

I'm not sure what he is; why are you so eager to shoot the messenger? Certainly J.G. has earned the trust of many people, from ranking members of Hamas (whom he first met when he guarded them in an Israeli prison) to Fidel Castro (who invited him for an exclusive interview last year). Hamas claims he is not an Israeli or Zionist but an American; is that sufficient for you?

A Pakistani fugitive traitor -

In Pakistan who decides whether someone is a traitor or not? You? The press? The military? How do you know what H.H. is doing isn't in the best interests of Pakistan's citizens? Is he a traitor because he embarrasses you? Haven't you figured out it's already an embarrassing thing to claim to be a Pakistani?

I hope this picture will explain the situation

So what? Even if you have a quibble with this organization, why should H.H. be vilified merely for speaking with them?

Do you have understanding problem on genuine grounds, or it is a biased comment for Pakistani Justic system .....

its not same mr.haqqani whom pakistani courts are looking for ? after ISI brust him he is like wounded dog now barking and crying at same time .he is the person can sale mom or daughter to be puppy of USA . come and face courts you traitor .

After Bhutto's murder, Taseer's popular assassination, and today's kidnapping of an ANP leader, why should H.H. believe that, if he returns to Pakistan, he will live to have his day in court? Will you volunteer to protect him not with a gun but with your body?

What do you think Indian government is such an incompetent authority that it can't produce concrete evidence against HS -

Why hasn't Pakistan produced its own evidence? There has been a pattern over the decades that Pakistan accepts all evidence from others, then denies everything, using the information gained to plan terror attacks that are even less traceable. After over half a century of this behavior towards India and the U.S. (I'm counting the deceptions of 1965 here) Pakistan has to earn and build trust granted gratis to most others - both through its deeds and in the attitudes of citizens like yourself.

about Shakeel Afridi...on which ground you have a right to rise your concern about him =

Because the man was not a spy yet is imprisoned without trial or bail and reviled because he inadvertently helped Americans track down a master terrorist. That says Pakistanis' sympathy lies with terrorists rather than against them.

If one thing is good for you people on principle ground how you people can cast blame to other for the same righteous deed ....?

Because it isn't just the deed that matters but its details and context. If you killed a person does that automatically make me a criminal? What if you do so in self-defense against a violent attacker?

Principles can be slippery things and it's best that you choose your ground carefully. That's why I believe in strongly support elevating civil and human rights over nationalist bigotry and Islam's much-vaunted "tolerance": otherwise, anyone can be cut out of the crowd as a "minority" and subject to persecution. And that's why Pakistanis need to proudly and publicly stand with Israel rather than Israel's enemies, because otherwise anyone can be accused of being a Zionist and disenfranchised on that basis.

 

[Solomon2]

@Oscar: it would be a lot quicker to simply confess that you have nothing to back up your charges against H.H., yes? Sure, it's emotionally satisfactory but why should Pakistanis have to countenance further delay in reforming themselves and their political system? How many more innocents have to die before men who can combat extremism if they choose to pluck up some courage?

Hussain Haqqani is someone who did not deserve to be the ambassador of Pakistan in the US. A diplomats job is to defend his nation and provide all necessary representation of it whenever needed. Instead Hussain Haqqani continously derides and sneers at the Pakistani state.

Either you have no idea what Mr. Haqqani did for Pakistan or you've conveniently forgotten it. He managed to maintain U.S. support for Pakistan's military for over half a decade. He encouraged the U.S. provide hundreds of millions of dollars in non-military economic aid and direct intervention by the U.S. military and international organizations to provide disaster relief. Hardly any of that is happening now.

To say Pakistan is complicit in the murder of its own citizens is to sneer at the sacrifices of our brave soldiers who have fought militants and died in the service of their land.

Eh, how does that work, exactly? If generals or politicians send men out to be slaughtered by militants why would one sneer at the soldiers rather than react by blaming their leaders?

Haqqani is outright blaming his own country for the problems the world faces and the world needs more than anything right now, a scapegoat.

If I have any criticism of Mr. Haqqani it's that he took too long to write this book. He should have done so last year when he was still in the limelight. (If he was a slow writer how could he have served as official note-taker at N. Sharif's cabinet meetings in the 1990s?) He would have reached more of a Pakistani audience then. So why did he release such a book now?

 

[SQ8]

Please tell me how your post is relevant to providing proof against him?

The bold part should suffice.

@Oscar: it would be a lot quicker to simply confess that you have nothing to back up your charges against H.H., yes? Sure, it's emotionally satisfactory but why should Pakistanis have to countenance further delay in reforming themselves and their political system? How many more innocents have to die before men who can combat extremism if they choose to pluck up some courage?

Sure.. but no. THe memogate controversy is just one of the reasons for the charge. I can understand your support for people who blanket critique Pakistan regardless of whether all of their assertions are true or not. But for that people need to visit your blog to realize why you are incapable of true "sympathy" for Pakistan.

 

[Pakistani E]

I disagree with him. Pakistan does not support terrorism. Some Pakistanis do.

 

[RazPaK]

The bold part should suffice.



Sure.. but no. THe memogate controversy is just one of the reasons for the charge. I can understand your support for people who blanket critique Pakistan regardless of whether all of their assertions are true or not. But for that people need to visit your blog to realize why you are incapable of true "sympathy" for Pakistan.

No, it does not suffice. Condescendingly brushing off the fact that you have no proof or evidence against Hafiz Saeed may be enough to fool some people, but not me.

 

[Capt.Popeye]

I disagree with him. Pakistan does not support terrorism. Some Pakistanis do.

You know: I'd like to tell you that I do agree with you in some measure. Now; the question is: WHO and/or WHERE are those "some Pakistanis who do support terrorism" ?
Are those "some Pakistanis" part of the Govt. Leadership?
Are those "some Pakistanis" in the powerful echelons of the Security Apparatus?
Are those "some Pakistanis" confined only to to the uneducated masses?
Are those "some Pakistanis" part of the segment that controls/molds Public Opinion?
Or, are those "some Pakistanis" scattered around in all of the above sectors/groups of people?
And one more thing; how large is this constituency of "some Pakistanis" that you speak of?
An honest answer to those questions will help Pakistan and its Citizenry to determine where the problem(s) lie and where the "real enemy within" is situated.
In contrast; Hussain Haqqani is just "small change", pffft!

I also think that there are "some Pakistanis" who are incredibly constructive, who wish the World well and who can be an enduringly positive influence in this World.
If you ask me who these "some Pakistanis" could be: then I'll start to think about @sparklingway, @T-Faz, @Irfan Baloch, @Antibody, @Jungibaaz, @fatman17, @AhaseebA, @Oscar, @Ikarus @jaibi @Secur, @nuclearpak, @pak-marine, @niaz, @mastaanKhan, @Hyperion, @Armstrong and so many others, including those who don't come on this forum and who never will.
So there is some kind of balance too.

 

[Liquidmetal]

Fffing a$$holes the lot of them.

We have a prime-minister that has the portfolio of PM/FM/Finance and he has no education, I am surprised he has not decided to have the defence and interior ministry under his management too. So this man is doing 3 jobs badly instead of 1 job barely adequately.

Zardari/Gilani achieved the greatest level of fuktardiness in the history of PK, they had been in power for 5 years and achieved one of the worst situations ever seen. Incompetence is one thing but this was criminal negligence.

Haqqani is one of the biggest dog-poos I have met. He was as drunk as a skunk, but more than that I never met someone who loved himself as much this man does, I am surprised he has room for a wife, it is a full time job being his own lover. The man is not an imbecile, he is in fact very smart and very knowledgeable but my God can he talk some cr@p.

No wonder PK is so buggered when we have traitors like him.

 

[Solomon2]

Sure.. but no. THe memogate controversy is just one of the reasons for the charge.

You're one of the most sensible mods here and you think memogate reflects badly on Hussain Haqqani? Memogate can be judged quite easily: if it wasn't a genuine document, Haqqani isn't to blame; if it was a genuine document, those who fault Haqqani are arguing that Pakistan's generals should treat elected civilians as their underlings and servitors rather than as superiors and decision-makers.

I can understand your support for people who blanket critique Pakistan regardless of whether all of their assertions are true or not.

Don't be that kind of fool. It's easy to verify Haqqani's account of Pakistan's post-Mumbai conduct through a few internet searches.

But for that people need to visit your blog to realize why you are incapable of true "sympathy" for Pakistan.

Mate, just because other nations are mostly decent doesn't mean Pakistan is entitled to the same level of respect, regardless of its behavior. Indeed, this seems to be a recurrent issue: some Pakistanis confuse capability with legal right and justice, so they always seek to be stronger. Then they wonder why the world spurns them and their own countrymen bomb and shoot each other.

How much longer will you remain willfully blind, Oscar?

for that people need to visit your blog to realize why you are incapable of true "sympathy" for Pakistan.

Did you really think I hang out at PDF to be liked? If so, I'm offended.

P.S.: thanks for plugging my website.