Hundreds of Chinese and Bangladeshi labourers in deadly clashes at Beijing-backed power plant near D

[Verve]

That is actually frequently the case in "further developed" developing countries that can adquately fill these roles.

In small and "lesser developed" countries Chinese developers often must bring even all their basic machinery for large scale projects and you suddenly want 150-200 positions filled by locals to manage other locals, when Chinese developers and investors already take on the bulk of the financial risks on while including large amounts of locals into the projects already contrary to the popular narrative. I coud talk on about how hard it would be to convince a profit oriented company to create risks of holes in the management chain. Its also not just a matter of can it even be done, but can it be done economically. Its not like Chinese developers are dumb and wont grasp such a transparent opportunity if it existed. But thats why China is usually there in first place. Yes train them nurture them foster them easy to say and guess what China has been doing all this time in one country after another? The entire long term strategic point of BRI is to create the basis of that from scratch. And it called long term for a reason.

But I dont really see how switching out some frontman could really prevent these kind of incidents or would positively affect the bigger picture that is drawn like here once again from the outside about Chinese relations with other countries (and inadvertedly influences these relations on the inside but thats another issue) anyways.

Look at how it's done in Pakistan then. Chinese power plant engineers here do not interact directly with labourers, there's absolutely no need to.

Whereas the one incident in a tyre plant with labourers was due to rigid management and not understanding the culture.

You guys will learn but this is the world of 5G wars so buckle up and learn faster on that front too instead of just focusing on construction speed.

 

[Globenim]

Look at how it's done in Pakistan then. Chinese power plant engineers here do not interact directly with labourers, there's absolutely no need to.

Thats exactly my point.
Somehow Chinese can embrace it.
Somehow Chinese can deal with it.
Somehow it can work out generally well.

But the default premise of the narrative seem to go into the direction that Chinese can't, its our missunderstanding, our mishandling, we need to embrace more, we need to learn and we are automatically at fault for everything that ever goes wrong with no real concern for the situation or their context, neither in invididual cases nor in the big picture (as enough comments in this thread show) and its a repeated pattern when most cant count more than two cases without looking them up and have any accurate sense how many projects China is even involved in. Thats the most unconstructive way to engange even if the fault does lie with Chinese and exactly the opposite of embracement and mutual understanding. Never mind any consideration of the reality that these development projects in nature have tougher conditions and more hurdles creating more friction points than some run of the mill house project in Beijing next door, you cant get around, but China still doesnt shy away from but instead overwhelmingly engage. We are not even talking about the some U.S. China bashing, where China simulatneously mistreats its local workers in any way imaginable while it never employs them in first place and only hires Chinese because that just how unfair China is.

 

[Rakesh]

I have got very god experience with Chinese Engineers (Steel and Power Industry). They are down to earth and without any ego.
But the real problem is the work culture. When Chinese company bags big turnkey contract, they have certain assumptions such as they bring their own technicians, supervisors and some worker (not all). Chinese companies are not used to cost and time escalations. However when they employ local workers, these workers are not used to work under rules alien to them.

For example few years back in India....

https://www.financialexpress.com/ar...khand-steel-plant-run-into-local-fury/458781/

......Tension at the site started on Tuesday when five locals who had absented continuously for a few days were denied job by MS Ltd officials who replaced them. Violence broke out over this dispute.

Top industry officials said many Chinese companies bagging turnkey projects in India were, unlike Indian companies working in China, put among their terms and conditions a clause that allows them to bring their own workforce, along with equipment, to complete the job within the deadline.

Asked if bringing their own workforce was cheaper for the Chinese companies in executing turnkey projects, a senior industry official on condition of anonymity, said No, Being turnkey projects, they dont want to waste time on selecting locals for the different jobs involved, train them etc.

He added, I dont think Indian companies engaged in turnkey projects in China are ferrying as many company personnel to China as the Chinese are doing.....

 

[bbccdd1470]

If the guest is rough, people will revolt. If I come to your house and you treat me like shit, I'll pick a fight with you and beat you up in your own house. Simple as that. Respect is gained not bought.
You want to hear another real story about a Pakistani student in China? They commit many crimes but does the Chinese complain?
Once a guy from Pakistan borrowed money from me and ran away to Pakistan. Till date he didn't pay back. There are many stories like this, but did I once bring it up on this forum? I didn't bring it up not because this is a Pakistani forum, but because I understand there are bad apples everywhere.

I'm agreeed, there are many crimes committed by Pakistani refugees in HK (which is sad, Indians are in fact the more law abiding one.) But I didn't even say a thing about it because I know some Pakistani refugees are hardworking and just want to have a better live in HK. So if people just focus on the bad apples, then they will never see the good side of the normal apples.

 

[Three_Kingdoms]

Some excellent relatioship and contributions from Chinese companies working overseas, be they in Africa or elsewhere:

Nigeria:

 

[Three_Kingdoms]

Zambia:

Algeria:

 

[Three_Kingdoms]

Morocco：

The following are my observations:

1. Local people have to understand there is a DEADLINE to projects like that. Associated with the DEADLINE is the PENALTY to the construction companies for not meeting the deadline.
2. language barrier
3. different work ethics
4. mis-understand and inadequate respect to each other's culture. You need a project mediator(s) here other than language interpreters.
5. Hostile countries / organisations which are envious towards China could stir up negative sentiments among the Chinese and the locals.

RIP and condolences to the dead and their families.
Very unfortunate news and hope they can resolve the problems/differences and get back to work amicably soon.

 

[Bengal71]

I'm agreeed, there are many crimes committed by Pakistani refugees in HK (which is sad, Indians are in fact the more law abiding one.) But I didn't even say a thing about it because I know some Pakistani refugees are hardworking and just want to have a better live in HK. So if people just focus on the bad apples, then they will never see the good side of the normal apples.

Pakistani refugee? Why there are Pakistani refugees in HK? Or you mean illegal migrants?

 

[nang2]

I have got very god experience with Chinese Engineers (Steel and Power Industry). They are down to earth and without any ego.
But the real problem is the work culture. When Chinese company bags big turnkey contract, they have certain assumptions such as they bring their own technicians, supervisors and some worker (not all). Chinese companies are not used to cost and time escalations. However when they employ local workers, these workers are not used to work under rules alien to them.

For example few years back in India....

https://www.financialexpress.com/ar...khand-steel-plant-run-into-local-fury/458781/

......Tension at the site started on Tuesday when five locals who had absented continuously for a few days were denied job by MS Ltd officials who replaced them. Violence broke out over this dispute.

Top industry officials said many Chinese companies bagging turnkey projects in India were, unlike Indian companies working in China, put among their terms and conditions a clause that allows them to bring their own workforce, along with equipment, to complete the job within the deadline.

Asked if bringing their own workforce was cheaper for the Chinese companies in executing turnkey projects, a senior industry official on condition of anonymity, said No, Being turnkey projects, they dont want to waste time on selecting locals for the different jobs involved, train them etc.

He added, I dont think Indian companies engaged in turnkey projects in China are ferrying as many company personnel to China as the Chinese are doing.....

Turnkey projects are simpler to manage and very practical. For example, Huawei is particularly good at doing such projects and they prefer this kind of projects. They are more of an integrator.

Any conflict arising for not hiring local work force is mostly political, not cultural. Cultural differences are always there but only when politically driven entitlement kicks in, conflicts happen.

 

[bbccdd1470]

Pakistani refugee? Why there are Pakistani refugees in HK? Or you mean illegal migrants?

We have a refugee law changed in HK since 2004, and we have received many refugees from South Asia. The last few years the crimes that were commited by refugees have gone up, especially like robbery, battery, theft and sexual assaults. More precisely, they are asylum seekers or torture claimants.

 

[God Parshuram]

What are you doing Bangladeshis? Kick their back side. How dare they mess with local people in their on country.

The thing that if they have given the loan to some country that country becomes their Colony. They should be made to to fall in line. File criminal case against them and take legal action

 

[OBLiTeRate TrumpTurd]

If there was a middle finger I would give that to you.

Moderators are weak in controlling racist bigots chinese worms like you.

Let's be smart here ... ...

When a poster use a handle name as ... ( Chinese Commie ) ...
this means this LOSER * Chinese Commie hates CHN and Chinese.

Chinese Commie is a FALSE FLAGGER.

Let's be smart people.

 

[American Pakistani]

Naah this isnt failure, this is called abiding by NDA. Whereas idiot trolls like you are sitting thousands of miles away and are commenting on what is happening in Pakistan with out any knowledge of ground realities. your opinion is irrelevant.

Like I said you don't have to show me your house manners which you use in your house.

I'm sitting thousands of miles away and still trying my best to support Pakistani economy and showing the positive soft side of Pakistan by my acts, unlike those burgers sitting in Pakistan, buying everything imported and talking $h1t about Pakistan's allies (poking their noses where they don't belong). People like yourself are responsible for fewer allies of Pakistan.

 

[S.Y.A]

Like I said you don't have to show me your house manners which you use in your house.

I'm sitting thousands of miles away and still trying my best to support Pakistani economy and showing the positive soft side of Pakistan by my acts, unlike those burgers sitting in Pakistan, buying everything imported and talking $h1t about Pakistan's allies (poking their noses where they don't belong). People like yourself are responsible for fewer allies of Pakistan.

like I said:your opinion is irrelevant because you know jack sh*t.

 

[American Pakistani]

like I said:your opinion is irrelevant because you know jack sh*t.

Feeling is mutual.