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Hugo Chavez says Venezuelan troops would fight with Argentina over Falkland

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Even with nuclear weapons, UK cannot face the wrath of Brazil + Argentina + Venezuala + Bolivia. This could be the moment when the South American giants finally face down the old European powers and come into their own!
 
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The south american bloc will do nothing and Britain will never back down the people want to be British not argentinian so the argies need to behave themselves.

The argentine air force/navy is no match for the T45's and our air force. They need to get to the Island by stealth which just isn't gonna happen any attempt and they will be blasted out of the waters. No need for nukes, the rest of the South american nations won't risk there own assets unless they want to be owned by the yanks.
 
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Empty threats by Venezuela. They wouldn't lift a finger for Argentina....
 
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Even with nuclear weapons, UK cannot face the wrath of Brazil + Argentina + Venezuala + Bolivia. This could be the moment when the South American giants finally face down the old European powers and come into their own!
no,UK don't need nuclear weapon,these four countries are too weak.
 
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Sorry if I sound a bit Argentinian-I mean childish- but why?

Argentina's claim on the Falklands is still a good one

Nearly 40 years ago, in November 1968, I travelled to the Falklands with a group of diplomats in what was Britain's first and last attempt to get shot of the islands. Lord Chalfont, then a minister at the Foreign Office, was the leader of this expedition. He had the unenviable task of trying to persuade the 2,000 islanders that the British empire might not last for ever - and that they should start to entertain the notion they might be better off being friendly to their near-neighbour, Argentina, which had long claimed the islands. This was the moment when Britain was abandoning its "east of Suez" policy for financial reasons, and thinking of ways of winding up its residual empire. We had already forcibly deported the inhabitants of Diego Garcia in 1967 without much hostile publicity, and settled them in Mauritius and the Seychelles, handing over their islands to the Americans to build a gigantic air base. The Falklands were next on the list. Maybe the islanders could be paid to set up sheep farms in New Zealand.

Over 10 days, we visited just about every farm and homestead in the two principal islands. We were greeted everywhere - and we could see the slogans and the union flag from the air before we landed - with the same messages: "Chalfont Go Home" and sometimes "We Want To Stay British". The islanders were adamant. They wanted nothing to do with Argentina, and Chalfont left them with a promise that nothing would happen without their agreement. Fourteen years later, in 1982, Britain and Argentina were at war over the islands, and nearly a thousand people lost their lives. Today we are invited to recall the 25th anniversary of that event, and the Argentinian government has reminded us of its claim, pulling out of the 1995 agreement about joint oil exploration that had been fondly embraced by the Foreign Office as an alternative to discussing anything as conflictive as sovereignty.

People sometimes ask me why Argentinians make such an endless fuss about the islands they call Las Malvinas. The answer is simple. The Falklands belong to Argentina. They just happen to have been seized, occupied, populated and defended by Britain. Because Argentina's claim is perfectly valid, its dispute with Britain will never go away, and because much of Latin America is now falling into the hands of the nationalist left, the government in Buenos Aires will enjoy growing rhetorical support in the continent (and indeed elsewhere, from the current government in Iraq, for example), to the increasing discomfiture of Britain. All governments in Argentina, of whatever stripe, will continue to claim the Malvinas, just as governments in Belgrade will always lay claim to Kosovo.


The Falklands were seized for Britain in January 1833 during an era of dramatic colonial expansion. Captain John Onslow of HMS Clio had instructions "to exercise the rights of sovereignty" over the islands, and he ordered the Argentinian commander to haul down his flag and withdraw his forces. Settlers from Argentina were replaced by those from Britain and elsewhere, notably Gibraltar. Britain and Argentina have disagreed ever since about the rights and wrongs of British occupation, and for much of the time the British authorities have been aware of the relative weakness of their case.

An item in the Public Record Office refers to a Foreign Office document of 1940 entitled "Offer made by His Majesty's government to reunify the Falkland Islands with Argentina and to agree to a lease-back". Though its title survives, the document itself has been embargoed until 2015, although it may well exist in another archive. It was presumably an offer thrown out to the pro-German government of Argentina at the time, to keep them onside at a difficult moment in the war, though perhaps it was a draft or a jeu d'esprit dreamt up in the office.

The record suggests that successive UK governments have considered the British claim to the islands to be weak, and some have favoured negotiations. Recently released documents recall that James Callaghan, when foreign secretary in the 1970s, noted that "we must yield some ground and ... be prepared to discuss a lease-back arrangement". The secretary of the cabinet pointed out that "there are many ways in which Argentina could act against us, including invasion of the islands ... and we are not in a position to reinforce and defend the islands as a long-term commitment. The alternative of standing firm and taking the consequences is accordingly not practicable."

Of course, some people argue that Britain's physical possession of the islands, and its declared intention to hold them against all comers, makes its claim superior to Argentina's. Some believe that the Argentine invasion of the islands in 1982, and their subsequent forced retreat, in some way invalidates their original claim. Britain, above all, owes some debt to the heirs to the settlers who were originally sent there, a debt recognised in the Foreign Office mantra that, in all dealings with Argentina about the islands' future, the wishes of the islanders will be "paramount". Yet no such debt was recognised in the case of the inhabitants of Diego Garcia, perhaps because Britain inherited them from the French rather than planting the settlers themselves.


Ironically, the Falkland islanders are the outcome of a 19th-century scheme of settlement not very different from the experience of Argentina in the same century, which brought in settlers from Italy, Germany, England and Wales, and planted them on land from which the native Indians had been cleared and exterminated. The record of the islanders looks rather cleaner by comparison. Yet the Argentinian claim is still a good one, and it will never go away. At some stage, sovereignty and lease-back will have to be on the agenda again, regardless of the wishes of the islanders. Ideally, the Falklands should be included in a wider post-colonial cleanup of ancient territories. This would rid Britain of responsibility for Northern Ireland (almost gone), Gibraltar (under discussion), and for Diego Garcia (de facto given to the Americans), and anywhere else that anyone can still remember.

This post-colonial policy should have been adopted many years ago (and perhaps Harold Wilson's government was groping towards this end in the 1960s when Denis Healey abandoned British commitments east of Suez, and when Chalfont was sent to Port Stanley), and it should at least have been considered when we abandoned Hong Kong in the 1990s. Yet the strength of Blair's imperial revivalism, forever echoed in the popular press, suggests that this prospect is as far away as it was in 1982.

Richard Gott: Argentina's claim on the Falklands is still a good one | Comment is free | The Guardian

Time to give Las Malvinas back to who they belong to......
 
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Ahem.
UN Covenant on Civil and Political Rights
'All peoples have the right of self-determination. By virtue of that right they freely determine their political status and freely pursue their economic, social and cultural development.'

Signatures to the UN Covenant on Civil and Political Rights
Signed by Argentina and the UK. Why sign it if they do not believe it?

Read post 51 - In fact i will cut and paste a bit of history that you want to bury...

The Falklands were seized for Britain in January 1833 during an era of dramatic colonial expansion. Captain John Onslow of HMS Clio had instructions "to exercise the rights of sovereignty" over the islands, and he ordered the Argentinian commander to haul down his flag and withdraw his forces. Settlers from Argentina were replaced by those from Britain and elsewhere, notably Gibraltar. Britain and Argentina have disagreed ever since about the rights and wrongs of British occupation, and for much of the time the British authorities have been aware of the relative weakness of their case.

Before posting have a think - you kick someone out of their land and then claim it to be yours? What planet is your argument from? You are as good as squatters. Do you not believe the people that were kicked off their land have any rights. Now its time for the British that have been squatting accept what they are and negotiate a peaceful end.
 
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Read post 51 - In fact i will cut and paste a bit of history that you want to bury...

The Falklands were seized for Britain in January 1833 during an era of dramatic colonial expansion. Captain John Onslow of HMS Clio had instructions "to exercise the rights of sovereignty" over the islands, and he ordered the Argentinian commander to haul down his flag and withdraw his forces. Settlers from Argentina were replaced by those from Britain and elsewhere, notably Gibraltar. Britain and Argentina have disagreed ever since about the rights and wrongs of British occupation, and for much of the time the British authorities have been aware of the relative weakness of their case.

Before posting have a think - you kick someone out of their land and then claim it to be yours? What planet is your argument from? You are as good as squatters. Do you not believe the people that were kicked off their land have any rights. Now its time for the British that have been squatting accept what they are and negotiate a peaceful end.
So your point is, that we illegally occupied land and displaced the population at the time?
 
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Read post 51 - In fact i will cut and paste a bit of history that you want to bury...

The Falklands were seized for Britain in January 1833 during an era of dramatic colonial expansion. Captain John Onslow of HMS Clio had instructions "to exercise the rights of sovereignty" over the islands, and he ordered the Argentinian commander to haul down his flag and withdraw his forces. Settlers from Argentina were replaced by those from Britain and elsewhere, notably Gibraltar. Britain and Argentina have disagreed ever since about the rights and wrongs of British occupation, and for much of the time the British authorities have been aware of the relative weakness of their case.

Before posting have a think - you kick someone out of their land and then claim it to be yours? What planet is your argument from? You are as good as squatters. Do you not believe the people that were kicked off their land have any rights. Now its time for the British that have been squatting accept what they are and negotiate a peaceful end.

That was hundred of years ago if we do apply this mentality to our world then half the world maps will be redrawn.
 
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That was hundred of years ago if we do apply this mentality to our world then half the world maps will be redrawn.

Aaaaaaah "100 years ago" argument. So because it was done so long ago we can forget the morals of those involved. The state carried out an act that they know was illegal. They should give back what they illegally took. As far as history shows the British forceably took land off others and made it theirs. They were wrong then and they are wrong to occupy it now.
 
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Aaaaaaah "100 years ago" argument. So because it was done so long ago we can forget the morals of those involved. The state carried out an act that they know was illegal. They should give back what they illegally took. As far as history shows the British forceably took land off others and made it theirs. They were wrong then and they are wrong to occupy it now.
But surely the Argentinians are just as guilty of that when they replaced the indigenous population? Double standards no?
Perhaps we should give them the Falklands when the return to Spain.
 
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But surely the Argentinians are just as guilty of that when they replaced the indigenous population? Double standards no?
Perhaps we should give them the Falklands when the return to Spain.

To have a discussion with you is hard. I show you evidence where the Malvinas belong to Argentina - you then decide to suggest that they were not the owners. Why cant the British take note of their actions and stop attempting to take actions for others. Your argument and logic is childish - its like "if we cant have it then we will make sure they cant have it."
 
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To have a discussion with you is hard. I show you evidence where the Malvinas belong to Argentina - you then decide to suggest that they were not the owners. Why cant the British take note of their actions and stop attempting to take actions for others. Your argument and logic is childish - its like "if we cant have it then we will make sure they cant have it."
Truth is people of Malvinas/Falkland want to live with Britain Which is also coherent with logic.I would choose British citizenship than any developing country.
 
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To have a discussion with you is hard. I show you evidence where the Malvinas belong to Argentina - you then decide to suggest that they were not the owners. Why cant the British take note of their actions and stop attempting to take actions for others. Your argument and logic is childish - its like "if we cant have it then we will make sure they cant have it."
It is not hard to understand.
According to you: The British displaced the settlers from Argentina in 1833. This is illegal and colonialism. You with me?

Now. The Argentinians themselves displaced the native population of Argentina. This is also illegal.

This is called hypocrisy. Perhaps they should have a look at themselves before looking at us. Cool?
 
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