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Delhi ban on China telecom may delay Wi-Max, TD-LTE, HSPA in India
Posted on May 17, 2010 by The Editors

Bharat has an emasculated 2G network that caters to the urban centers. As Delhi plans to move towards a 3G network, many analysts are asking if it is true “3G” network that they are getting and will be be a transition to 4G and the newer LTE and HSPA technologies.

* The question then is, will India’s experience with 3G turn out to be as emasculated an experience as we have had with the current 2G services
* Bharat currently has poor reception, frequent call drops and poor data speeds, being the norm than an exception.
* Bharat is currently only looking at the possibility of bringing the entire country to the 2G as a national platform upgrading beyond 2G
* Can Bharat’s 2G (and 2.5G) telecom operators leapfrog to TD-LTE rather than bid for WiMAX spectrum in the 2.3 GHz band? the current auction seems to limit the rapid transtion, and slows down the pace.
* The number of WiMAX deployments — currently more than 500 across 145 countries — is greater than that of any conventional 3G technology and more than 50% greater than the number of HSPA network commitments.
* However LTE and HSPA are clearly the favored paths towards 4G. The Chinese are the leaders in some of these newer technolgies.

A chagrined Beijing spokesman has given a very measured response to the Bharati (Indian) recalcitrance to allow Chinese companies to do business in Bharat. ZTE Corp and Huawei Technologies are some to the companies that are on the leading edge of the telecom revolution. They are ushering in new waves of technologies that are leeching off each other and developing new solutions as they are being implemented.

The battle for the mindshare of close to 600 million Indian mobile subscribers is getting intense, and it’s the choice of technology that will determine the outcomeA few years back, telecom operators like Bharti Airtel, Vodafone, Reliance Communications, Tata Teleservices and Idea battled over cellphone techologies with a David — code division multiple access (CDMA) — being pitted against GSM — a Goliath. GSM has emerged a clear winner.

A similar battle has now ensued with two rival technologies — 3G Vs WiMAX — battling for mindshare. The government is expected to net nearly Rs 50,000 from the 3G and broadband wireless access (BWA) auctions. However, even as the 3G auction is underway, the successful foray of WiMAX (a BWA technology) is not only being threatened by the broader acceptance of 3G (a Goliath in many respects) but also by another BWA technology called Long Term Evolution Time Division Duplex or TD-LTE.

It may be argued that 3G technology is more suited to voice while Worldwide Interoperability for Microwave Access or WiMAX is better known for its data speeds. The non-voice revenue mix of Indian wireless operators is about 10 per cent as against 25 per cent for mature markets due to scarcity of spectrum. So ideally, 3G and WiMAX should be complementary — one technology for voice, and the other for broadband data services. Business Standard.

* .. most WiMAX deployments to date have been small, serving targeted communities, businesses and private institutions.
* As a result, WiMAX covers only 6% of the world’s population, which is far behind the 85-90% that conventional mobile networks cover.
* We do expect WiMAX coverage to increase, although rather slowly on a global basis, with 10-12% population coverage by year-end 2010.
* Many of the larger WiMAX deployments are still underway, and many large countries such as India, Indonesia and Vietnam are just beginning to issue WiMAX licenses.
* Some of the largest WiMAX operators in the world in terms of coverage will be Clearwire (US), UQ Communications (Japan), Globe Telecom (Philippines), Yota (Russia) and Safaricom (Kenya).

US companies are hampered by their colossal investments in older technologies. They are having a harder time bringing their cutomers to the cutting edge technologies because of infrastructure investment constraints. Chinese companies are not hampered with the baggage of huge investments in wire, wireless and cellular infrastructure. They are thus a bit more nimble in the telecom area. They have ushered in the bleeding edge solutions from the Middle East to the Indus.

The development of TD-LTE was initially pushed by China Mobile and regarded as a mainly Chinese standard, similarly to TD-SCDMA.
The appeal of TD-LTE has widened well beyond China.
The recent announcement of Qualcomm (a Non-Chinese company) to bid for TDD spectrum in India to support a TD-LTE deployment confirms–although it was not required to validate–the emergence of TD-LTE as global technology, likely to command a substantial market share.

… 2G (and 2.5G) telecom operators in India, according to some analysts, are likely to leapfrog to TD-LTE rather than bid for WiMAX spectrum in the 2.3 GHz band.TD-LTE is all all internet protocol (IP) network. The world’s largest mobile operator by subscribers, China Mobile plans to use TD-LTE for its next generation network. Russian operator Svyazinvest, too, will adopt TD-LTE, and Qualcomm is bidding for TD-LTE spectrum in India. Business Standard

Whle Qualcomm has the research, it may not have have the depth to deliver what the market has to offer to Bharati consumers. It is obvious that Qualcomm has used the “security” issue against its most potent competition. Qualcomm would be the hands on favorite in winning the bid. It is obvious the Bharatis feel that their “family jewels” are in a lot safer “hand” if handled by the Americans.

* Rural India, according to analysts at Cygnus, could be a key market for 3G rollout.
* Once 3G services are launched and the challenges linked to prices and right-priced devices are addressed, the opportunities are huge.
* But even as the debate over technologies continues, analysts also believe that the spectrum being dished out may not be sufficient.
* “Spectrum is lifeblood and for consumers who prospectively wish to avail better quality internet and voice services.
* However, the spectrum that is being offered, in blocks of 5MHz for 3G and in blocks of 20MHz for BWA falls significantly short according to international benchmarks for other markets,

BEIJING – China’s commerce ministry said on Monday New Delhi should not discriminate against Chinese firms, but did not directly condemn a bar on Indian operators buying telecoms equipment from two Chinese companies.

India has banned mobile phone operators from placing orders with ZTE Corp and Huawei Technologies because of security concerns, industry sources say.

But Beijing, which has not shied away from criticising other countries, including the United States, over investment and trade restrictions, appears to be downplaying the ban.

Commerce Ministry Spokesman Yao Jian, when asked about the ban, said New Delhi should aim for a fair and transparent investment climate and emphasised the large stake Indian firms have in the Chinese market.

“We hope that (Indian) policies to be launched should be fair to all enterprises…and should not discriminate against Chinese enterprises,” Yao told a regular news conference, in Beijing’s most extensive comments on the issue so far.

“The investment by Indian firms in China is larger than Chinese firms’ investment in India, and China has created a very good service and investment environment for foreign investment.”

He also urged China’s neighbour and rival to carry out any investigation according to international rules, rather than in a rushed fashion, but gave no further details.

The Middle East and Pakistan are their fastest growing customer bases which are being used to launch their latest services to Bharat and beyond. The Chinese companies have penetrated deep into the Pakistani market and increased the density of phone per person to astronomical levels. It is turly remarkable with what they have done, totally transforming Pakistani society, the way it functions and how it operates. Texting has not only change the behavior of the youth, it has effected the political arena. SMS is the new vehicle to send news, and direct political forces. The restoration of the judiciary was run on SMS messages.

The Chinese companies now face an uphill battle in Bharat. Bharati-Chinese symbiosis in the telecom arena would have altered the gloabl landscape. With Dlehi’s IT prowess and Beijing’s telcom acumen, a new world could have been conquered. However it was not to be.

Given the huge amount of business at stake, officials on both sides are likely to be keen to ensure the issue does not snowball, probably aiming to resolve it through dialogue, in the same manner other twitchy issues have been dealt with.

Indigenous Bharati companies are not cutting edge and have not taken Bharat to the latest telecom technologies. European and US companies do not have the experience in LTE–the US lags behind in these matters. It is not that the US is “behind”. It is behind in the implementation because of the fact that wired, fibre, DSL, ISDN and even dial up are still revenue sources for the telecom companies and the consumers have not moved to Wi-Max and LTE at the pace offered to them.

By halting the march of progress, Delhi will be a bigger loser. Bharati users may not get the latest technologies already offered to the Middle East and Pakistan.

A Strategy Analytics report, meanwhile, predicts that India’s WiMax subscriber base will reach 14 million by 2013 and grow annually at nearly 130 per cent. Furthermore, the study projects initial investment in WiMax ventures will top $500 million in India. All Indian operators have tested and trialed WiMax and they understand the potential of WiMax for broadband services growth in India. But WiMAX pilots by most players like Bharti, Reliance Communications and BSNL have taken place in the 3.3 GHz band (which is known as fixed WiMAX), notes Thomas, while the spectrum being dished out is in the 2.3 GHz band. Business Standard.

The size of the order and the reasons given for not allowing China into the telecom area is not just a business deal gone bad. This has a serious and long impact on Sino-Indo business relations. If China is still being considered an enemy combatant and Chinese companies have to face hurdles in Bharat then Bharati companies trying to do business in China may also have to face the same type of discrimination.

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It's not just about cost, but also capability.

With Huawei and ZTE being the leading INNOVATORS (and possessing impressive amounts of patents) of TD-LTE, which is the next generation technologies --- by discriminating against Chinese companies they are shooting themselves in the foot in two major ways:

(1) Without Huawei & ZTE they will have to settle for a 2nd Tier Qualcomm which is inadequate in TD-LTE, or settle for a older, HEAVILY BURDENED OLDER 2.5G Tech that is limited in upwards compatibility. In other words, they will soon find themselves needing to upgrade again, and will have to fork out more $$$$$.

(2) Retaliation on Indian businesses operating in China and ASEAN. What goes around, comes around.
 
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Patchwork of carriers to build legacy 3G in India


Posted on May 19, 2010 by The Editors




* No single bidder bid for a pan-India 3G license so state operator BSNL would be remain the biggest 3G operator in India.
* Reliance, Bharti, Idea, Vodafone, Tata to build legacy 3G in India
* “Now we have to spend billions of dollars on a network that 2% of the country will use?” Bharati official
* Only 40,000 or so iPhone (AAPL)s are being used in the country
* Smartphones make up well under 5% of the handset market
* Of India’s 530 million-plus subscribers, only 2 million regularly use the mobile Net, mostly to download pictures of cricket players and Bollywood stars. Internet & Mobile Association of India, a trade group

Bharat (aka India) has jumped into the 3G arena which is led by Chinese companies. However none the leading Chinese companies was allowed to compete in the telecom auction worth $15 billion. Now local Bharati companies allied with foreign operators like UKs Vodafone Essar will squabble with each other to put together a patchwork of different “circles” which would cover different areas of Bharat.

* India is a late adapter of 3G and is the economy not to offer such premium services on a wide scale, although the state-run telecoms firms have 3G services in some zones.
* China, the world’s biggest telecoms market, took a long-delayed 3G plunge last year by awarding licences to the country’s top-three phone operators.
* In 2000, the UK raised more than $35 billion from a spectrum auction, while Germany collected about $67 billion from its UMTS licence auctions. In 2008, the United States raised $18 billion from spectrum auction. XE

The move to 3G networks conflicts with a road map to move forward towards 4G and TF-LTE technologies which are right on the horizon and are actually competing with classical 3G models.

The auctions may lead to consolidation and greater foreign control of India’s cellular business. The top three operators hold just over half the market, while dozens of smaller players scramble for the rest. Foreigners, meanwhile, are eager to buy in. In 2008, Japan’s DoCoMo (DCM) paid $2.7 billion for 26% of Tata Teleservices, the country’s No. 4 operator, and Russia’s MTS (MGT) bought 74% of Shyama TeleServices. Norway’s Telenor took an interest in another small player last year. Businessweek

Bharati alliances with US and Japanese companies will involve building legacy systems by investing in technology cul de sacs. The US is still steeped in 2G networks because of the huge costs in creating new infrastructure for 3G networks.

The 3G track record doesn’t inspire confidence. In Europe, overbidding nearly bankrupted many operators. India’s state-owned BSNL, which the government allowed to launch 3G a year ago, now offers service in 300 cities, has just 700,000 customers, and has cut tariffs at least twice. The company didn’t respond to requests for comment, but its record doesn’t encourage rivals. “Now we have to spend billions of dollars on a network that 2% of the country will use?” grumbles a senior finance official at Bharti Airtel, the country’s leading carrier, with 116 million customers. “It’s not like everybody in a village is carrying a BlackBerry (RIMM),” adds the executive, who asked not to be named because Airtel’s official policy is that it’s eager to offer 3G to the Indian masses. Businessweek

* We should have had 3G services in India 3-4 years ago. But we took a detour to giving more 2.5G licences since that could enrich the powers that make decisions by a few billion dollars.
* …since one can only make money from auctions before they actually happen since money can be taken for skewing the rules…
* India could have led the world in mobile data, and India’s companies could have been on the forefront of innovation…

The Times of India reports that Reliance Communications has the most “circles” in major areas of the countries–however it has failed to provide a national offering which will hamper a Pan-Bharat internet solution to the users.

The auction for 3G mobile licence closed today, leaving Finance Minister Pranab Mukherjee with Rs 67,710 crore (around USD 15 billion) — twice the revenue he expected to raise.

The pan-India bid for third generation spectrum stood at Rs 16,750.58 crore and Anil Ambani-led RCom bagged the highest number of 13 circles, followed by Bharti in 12, Idea in 11 and Vodafone and Tatas in nine circles each, according to the Department of Telecom (DoT).

Key circles Mumbai and Delhi went to Bharti, Vodafone and RCom. Delhi spectrum went for Rs 3,316.93 crore, while that the bid for Mumbai closed at Rs 3,247.07 crore on the 34th day of auction.

No single player could bag pan-India licence for 3G mobile services.
The government had estimated raising Rs 35,000 crore from sale of spectrum for 3G as well as Broadband Wireless access (BWA) put together.
But with auction for BWA spectrum yet to begin, the revenue mop up could go up further.

Besides Delhi and Mumbai, Bharti has got 3G spectrum in Andhra Pradesh, Karnataka, Tamil Nadu, UP (West), Rajasthan, West Bengal, Himachal Pradesh, Bihar, Assam, North East and Jammu and Kashmir.
Bharti, however, lost out in Punjab, from where company promoter Sunil Mittal hails.

RCom would be able to offer 3G mobile services in Rajasthan, Madhya Pradesh, West Bengal, Himachal Pradesh, Bihar, Orissa, Assam, Kolkata, Punjab, North East and Jammu and Kashmir, other than Delhi and Mumbai.
Vodafone-Essar has succeeded in Maharashtra, Gujarat, West Bengal, Tamil Nadu, Kolkata, Haryana, UP (East). Vodafone also bagged Delhi and Mumbai.
Tatas, who have been denied 2G spectrum in Delhi, also lost out on 3G spectrum in Delhi. They, however, managed to get a slot in Maharashtra, Gujarat, UP (West), Rajasthan, Karnataka, Kerala, Punjab and Haryana.
Similarly, Idea Cellular got spectrum in 11 circles including Maharashtra, Gujarat, Andhra Pradesh, Punjab, Haryana and UP (East), among others.
New operators Etisalat and Videocon have failed to get spectrum in even one cirlce, while Aircel and S Tel have bagged a few service areas. TOI.

To raise cash for the auctions, Essar Group, which owns a third of No. 2 carrier Vodafone Essar, is in talks to sell an antenna tower subsidiary to Boston-based American Tower (AMT) for $420 million. Aircel, a smaller player controlled by Malaysia’s Maxis Communications, on Jan. 14 sold 17,500 of its towers to a Mumbai company for $1.8 billion. Idea Cellular, the third-largest carrier, says it has raised $2 billion in cash and loans for the auction—a move designed in part to squelch rumors that the company may be a takeover target. Idea didn’t respond to requests for comment. “All of them are going to feel squeezed,” says Naveen Wadhera, a principal at Boston’s TA Associates, which invested $100 million in Idea in 2006. “But [consolidation] appears long overdue.”

Most Indians seem content to use phones for voice calls and texting. Only 40,000 or so iPhone (AAPL)s are being used in the country, and smartphones make up well under 5% of the handset market, India’s government estimates. Of India’s 530 million-plus subscribers, only 2 million regularly use the mobile Net, mostly to download pictures of cricket players and Bollywood stars, according to the Internet & Mobile Association of India, a trade group. “I don’t even have an e-mail account,” says Delhi taxi driver Ranjit Mishra. With a handset that includes a built-in FM radio, he wonders, “What would I do with Internet on this phone? I have music already.” Srivastava reports for BusinessWeek from New Delhi.
 
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Delhi ban on China telecom may delay Wi-Max, TD-LTE, HSPA in India
Posted on May 17, 2010 by The Editors

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I have only two questions.

1) Where is the source/link for the post? Is it allowed? Are you ashamed of posting it that the source is rupeenews? :lol:

2) Why Pakistani flag here? What Pakistan have to do anything with it? :pop:
 
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It's not just about cost, but also capability.

With Huawei and ZTE being the leading INNOVATORS

Please give your source for the text in bold part... Huawei as far as I know is the company which is leading in SEEKING patents. That I suppose does not make it leading innovaters.

SEEKING/APPLYING for patents is different from getting patents awarded to them. Also please disclose what is their IMPRESSIVE amount of patents, I couldn't find, so I am interested in knowing the number of patents that they hold which you call impressive, let us talk in big corporate terms like IBM, Microsoft etc. What I already know is that India is lagging far behind in applying for patents, so there is absolutely no need to compare it with India. Let us compare your so called impressive number of patents with whom I consider as real innovators like IBM, Microsoft, Sony etc.

I see this as a blank threat.

You know what "Too many bullets, one is bound to hit". I guess that is the principle that Huawei is following as they are no.1 in SEEKING for patents, but not number 1 or even number 10 in getting their pattents approved.

I might be wrong, point out with source where I am wrong.
 
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If China is still being considered an enemy combatant and Chinese companies have to face hurdles in Bharat then Bharati companies trying to do business in China may also have to face the same type of discrimination.

See, It is for India's security reasons period.
Once it is a security concern, there is no point in looking at loose and gain. You or for that matter no other nation has a say in it, so they should mind their own bussiness.

Let me know the source, because the bolded part is too heavy a wording, it is like a threat issued, let me know what is your source.


Nobody has a say in India's internal matter and it is nobody's bussiness.
And as per the Home Ministry of India they have not blocked that companies arbitrarily, things will be decided on case-to-case basis.
 
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It's not just about cost, but also capability.

Regarding the capability, a well respected company Cisco thinks otherwise. See the case lawsuit filed by Cisco here http://newsroom.cisco.com/dlls/filing.pdf.

This lawsuit is particularly interesting.

The case was settled out of court, but still why did anybody if can't be proven guilty go for settling out of court ? Perhaps, somebody could put across some points to show that it was genuine from Huawei's point of view.
 
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