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Haq's Musings: How Would Trump's Plan to Bar Muslims Impact Pakistanis & Pakistani-Americans?

Leading Republican presidential candidate Donald J. Trump has called for "a total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States until our country's representatives can figure out what is going on". While Trump's supporters have cheered this move, top Republican party leaders have denounced it.

The notion of banning all members of one religion from the country "is not what this party stands for," said Republican House Speaker Paul Ryan at Capitol Hill. Ryan's rebuke made even more powerful by the fact that he typically avoids commenting on the presidential race. "More importantly, it's not what this country stands for." US allies in Europe, including British Prime Minister David Cameron and French Prime Minister Manuel Valls have also condemned Trump's call.

While the chances of Trump's plan becoming reality are remote at best, there's clearly widespread concern about immigrants from Muslim nation that could lead to certain restrictions selectively applied to future Muslim immigrants entering the United States. In addition to impacting Syrian refugees' entry, such restrictions will also affect future immigrants from Pakistan. These restrictions will make the process more difficult and could significantly reduce the flow of Muslims and Pakistanis into the United States.

Why Pakistan? For two reasons: a) Tafsheen Malik, one of the two suspects in San Bernardino massacre, came from Pakistan on a fiancee visa last year and b) Pakistan is among the top Muslim nations sending immigrants to the United States.





The U.S. granted 83,000 green cards to immigrants from Pakistan and another 83,000 to migrants from Iraq between fiscal years 2009 and 2013, according to a chart produced by the Senate Subcommittee on Immigration and the National Interest using Department of Homeland Security data. Immigrants from Bangladesh received 75,000 green cards, those from Iran received 73,000, and those from Egypt received 45,000 to round out the top five. In sum, the U.S. granted 680,000 green cards to immigrants from Muslim-majority nations between 2009 and 2013, according to a media report.

Pakistani-Americans (pop: 409,163 in 2010 US Census) are the seventh largest community among Asian-Americans, behind Chinese (3.8 million), Filipinos (3.4 million), Indians (3.2 million), Vietnamese (1.74 million), Koreans (1.7 million) and Japanese (1.3 million), according to Asian-American Center For Advancing Justice . They are still a minuscule fraction of the overall US population. However, their numbers have more than doubled in the last decade due to increased immigration, according to US Census 2010 data. With 100% increase since 2000, Pakistanis are the second fastest growing Asian immigrant group in the United States. With median household income of $63,000, Pakistani-Americans also earn more than an average American household. The most common jobs of Pakistani-Americans include doctors, engineers, accountants, salespersons, administrators/managers and financial analysts, and 55 per cent hold at least a bachelor’s degree which is higher than 49% of all Asian-Americans and almost twice the 28% of overall American population with college degrees.



Here are some of the highlights of Pakistani-American data from US Census 2010 as gleaned from a report titled "A Community of Contrasts Asian Americans in the United States: 2011" published by Asian-American Center For Advancing Justice:

1. There are 409,163 Pakistani-Americans in 2010, the 7th largest Asian-American community in America.

2. Pakistani-American population doubled from 2000 (204,309) to 2010 (409,163), the second largest percentage increase after Bangladeshis' 157% increase in the same period.

3. The median household income of Pakistani-American families is nearly $63,000 versus $51,369 average for all Americans.

4. 55% of Pakistanis have a bachelor's degree or higher.

5. 55% of Pakistanis own their own homes.

6. 6% of Pakistani-American population is mixed race.

7. 65% of Pakistanis in America are foreign-born. 57% of foreign-born Pakistani-American population is made up of naturalized citizens.

8. There are 120,000 Pakistani legal permanent residents of which 42% are eligible to naturalize.

9. There were 69,202 immigrant visas issued to Pakistanis from 2001 to 2010, the 5th highest among Asian nations.

10. 28% of Pakistanis have limited English proficiency.

11. 15% of Pakistanis are classified as poor; only 1% of them are on public assistance.

12. 8% of Pakistanis are unemployed, a figure lower than the general population of Americans.

13. Median age of Pakistanis in America is only 29 years, lower than most of the Asian groups and the national median age of 36.8 years.

Pakistani-American community is still relatively young when compared with other immigrant groups. More of the Pakistanis in America are college educated than the general population of whites and various immigrant groups. They work in high-tech andentertainment fields, start and lead companies in Silicon Valley as entrepreneurs, own major professional sports teams, look after people as health care providers, serve in the US military and hold public offices. The youthful energy and higher education levels of Pakistani-Americans are opening doors for them to rise and shine in America, in spite of the current environment of religious discrimination and other difficulties in their adopted land of opportunities.

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Haq's Musings: How Would Trump's Plan to Bar Muslims Impact Pakistanis & Pakistani-Americans?
 
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If they shut down US embassy in Pakistan, at least the visa section, that will be a massive help for Pakistan.

The amount of legal fees and other expenses wanabe Pakistanis pay for American visa is rediculous and closure of American visa section will save Pakistan from all that lost foreign revenue and hassle.

Also once US is closed to Pakistanis they will start looking for other opportunities, it's a huge world out there and USA is just one country among many.

And yeah Pakistani diaspora is 7th largest because Pakistan is 7th most populated country in the world, so no surprise here.
 
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The amount of legal fees and other expenses wanabe Pakistanis pay for American visa is rediculous and closure of American visa section will save Pakistan from all that lost foreign revenue and hassle.

Applying for the visa is a choice, not a mandatory charge.
 
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The amount of legal fees and other expenses wanabe Pakistanis pay for American visa is rediculous and closure of American visa section will save Pakistan from all that lost foreign revenue and hassle..

The 'lost foreign revenue' is minuscule compared with what the Pakistani expats sent home.
 
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Pakistani-American community is still relatively young when compared with other immigrant groups. More of the Pakistanis in America are college educated than the general population of whites and various immigrant groups. They work in high-tech andentertainment fields, start and lead companies in Silicon Valley as entrepreneurs, own major professional sports teams, look after people as health care providers, serve in the US military and hold public offices. The youthful energy and higher education levels of Pakistani-Americans are opening doors for them to rise and shine in America, in spite of the current environment of religious discrimination and other difficulties in their adopted land of opportunities.


Hurt Pakistan? This article itself responses to everything is being said. :)
 
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I have seen many Indians welcoming Trumps remarks. They don't realize they too can be targeted as many Americans can't tell a Muslim from a Sikh
 
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better response if Muslimcountries can give to trump would be ban dollar use in business....
 
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Zuckerberg says #Facebook will fight for rights of #Muslims. #Trump #Muslimban http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/mark-zuckerberg-facebook-muslims_5668ab72e4b009377b23b8fd… via @HuffPostTech

Here's Zuckerberg's post:

I want to add my voice in support of Muslims in our community and around the world.

After the Paris attacks and hate this week, I can only imagine the fear Muslims feel that they will be persecuted for the actions of others.

As a Jew, my parents taught me that we must stand up against attacks on all communities. Even if an attack isn't against you today, in time attacks on freedom for anyone will hurt everyone.

If you're a Muslim in this community, as the leader of Facebook I want you to know that you are always welcome here and that we will fight to protect your rights and create a peaceful and safe environment for you.

Having a child has given us so much hope, but the hate of some can make it easy to succumb to cynicism. We must not lose hope. As long as we stand together and see the good in each other, we can build a better world for all people.
 
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this is nonsense. assuming Trump was even elected President he couldn't pass this ban through Congress

Constitutional Topic: How a Bill Becomes a Law - The U.S. Constitution Online - USConstitution.net

The general process for making a bill into a law is described in the Constitution. As with many things, however, the Constitution leaves most of the details to the people of the day, dictating just the overall picture. Before we delve into those details, however, a look at the general process is useful.

First, a bill must pass both houses of Congress by a majority vote. After it has passed out of Congress, it is sent along to the President. If the President signs the bill, it becomes law.

The President might not sign the bill, however. If he specifically rejects the bill, called a veto, the bill returns to Congress. There it is voted on again, and if both houses of Congress pass the bill again, but this time by a two-thirds majority, then the bill becomes law without the President's signature. This is called "overriding a veto," and is difficult to do because of the two-thirds majority requirement.


you would need a power by decree... which the U.S doesn't have unless Martial Law is implemented

Venezuela's Maduro to govern by decree - Al Jazeera English

^^Hugo Chavez and his successor passed all kinds of things with a special decree that gave them full power.



now I don't support a ban on all MUSLIMS entering the U,S, but I would support a bill that regulated Muslims refugees coming in. they would have to be vetted before they got in and only women,children and old people.

tired to seeing 90% of refugees being young men.
 
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please provide proof before throwing accusation.

Prove what? If you want proof that Indians support Trump, then just go on the Dawn page and check the comment sections of the article. You might talk about the small sample size, but don't expect me to screenshot every comment made by every street-shitting Ravi and Prakash to prove that they support Trump's policies.
 
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Prove what? If you want proof that Indians support Trump, then just go on the Dawn page and check the comment sections of the article. You might talk about the small sample size, but don't expect me to screenshot every comment made by every street-shitting Ravi and Prakash to prove that they support Trump's policies.
good god your proof is comments in dawn that the indians support trump ?:lol:
 
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It's gonna hurt real bad as Pakistan will run out of options to dump its VChengs and crap.:rofl:
 
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