How will America attack ????

[raptor22]

@AmirPatriot @PeeD @SubWater what can we do about this?is this operational?

 

[SubWater]

Part two:
2. first wave of American attack
the under water swords of US to invade:

Tomahawk:

base on wiki :
Unit cost : 1.8 m$ (block 4)
Warhead : 450 kg
Operational range : not more than 2500 km in longest range block

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Launch platforms:
Los Angeles-class submarine:

Active number : 36
Tomahawk fire power : 37
Total Tomahawk for all : 36*37 = 1332

Ohio-class submarine :

Active number : 18
Tomahawk fire power : 154
Total Tomahawk for all : 18*154= 2772

Seawolf-class submarine

Active number : 3
Tomahawk fire power : 50
Total Tomahawk for all : 3*50= 150

Virginia-class submarine

Active number : 13
Tomahawk fire power : 40
Total Tomahawk for all : 13*40= 520
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I personally do not believe that American would bring All of their submarines to attack Iran, in addition submarines do not carry only Tomahawk missiles. Submarines should bring torpedoes in torpedo room as well to protect themselves, so base on my calculation Americans are able to fire maximum 2000 Tomahawk cruise missiles from SubWater .

1332 + 2772 + 150 + 520 = 4774

if Americans bring half of them to attack Iran : 2387

considering torpedoes as well in tubes : 2000 Tomahawk

Has anybody opinion about my calculation ????
However I believe in reality American will not able to fire more than 500 tomahawk from their submarines.

 

[AmirPatriot]

@AmirPatriot @PeeD @SubWater what can we do about this?is this operational?

Stay outside its range by equipping as many FACs with small ASHMs as possible. Recently there was a small ASHM based on Nasr-1, but with a jet engine, granting a much improved range. I can't remember the name... @PeeD or @eagle2007 probably do though.

 

[SubWater]

@AmirPatriot @PeeD @SubWater what can we do about this?is this operational?

Electronic warfare
EMP
torpedoes
Anti ship ballistic missiles
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behind submarines would be Americans cruisers and destroyers for firing more tomahawk missiles

Arleigh Burke-class destroyer :

Active number : 64
Tomahawk fire power : this destroyer has 96, Mk 41 Vertical Launching System (VLS) and we assume just 50 of them are filled with Tomahawk
Total Tomahawk for all : 64*50= 3200

Ticonderoga-class cruiser :

Active number : 22
Tomahawk fire power : this destroyer has 122, Mk 41 Vertical Launching System (VLS) and we assume just 75 of them are filled with Tomahawk
Total Tomahawk for all : 22*75= 1650

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as result Americans are able to fire 4850 (3200+1650) tomahawk missiles, if bring all of their destroyers and cruiser which is impossible again to bring all of them for war with Iran.
we consider only half of these ships would come for war which this lead us to around 2000 cruise missiles again.

behind all of these ships would be American aircraft carriers which are able to carry F/A 18 and other planes

Nimitz-class aircraft carrier :

Active number : 10
Aircraft carried: 85–90 fixed wing and helicopters
Total Aircraft for all : 10*85= 850

F/A-18 Hornet :

AGM-84H/K SLAM-ER under F/A 18

F/A-18 is able to fly from Nimitz aircraft carriers and fire AGM-84H/K SLAM-ER with 270 km range an also AGM-158 JASSM with more than 1000 km range.

AGM-158 JASSM next to F35

 

[arashkamangir]

Electronic warfare
EMP
torpedoes
Anti ship ballistic missiles
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
behind submarines would be Americans cruisers and destroyers for firing more tomahawk missiles

Arleigh Burke-class destroyer :

Active number : 64
Tomahawk fire power : this destroyer has 96, Mk 41 Vertical Launching System (VLS) and we assume just 50 of them are filled with Tomahawk
Total Tomahawk for all : 64*50= 3200

Ticonderoga-class cruiser :

Active number : 22
Tomahawk fire power : this destroyer has 122, Mk 41 Vertical Launching System (VLS) and we assume just 75 of them are filled with Tomahawk
Total Tomahawk for all : 22*75= 1650

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as result Americans are able to fire 4850 (3200+1650) tomahawk missiles, if bring all of their destroyers and cruiser which is impossible again to bring all of them for war with Iran.
we consider only half of these ships would come for war which this lead us to around 2000 cruise missiles again.

behind all of these ships would be American aircraft carriers which are able to carry F/A 18 and other planes

Nimitz-class aircraft carrier :

Active number : 10
Aircraft carried: 85–90 fixed wing and helicopters
Total Aircraft for all : 10*85= 850

F/A-18 Hornet :

AGM-84H/K SLAM-ER under F/A 18

F/A-18 is able to fly from Nimitz aircraft carriers and fire AGM-84H/K SLAM-ER with 270 km range an also AGM-158 JASSM with more than 1000 km range.

AGM-158 JASSM next to F35

Still would be out gunned and out fired by an order of magnitude if they fight Iran anywhere with 1000 km of Iran border.

 

[SubWater]

now we know that, American would hit Iran with their cruise missiles at first round of Attack.
I estimate around 4000 Tomahawk capability for Americans in my previous posts, but the real number for sure would be much smaller in first wave of attack just compare this number with 802 Tomahawk missiles fired by American in 2003 against Saddam.

Where would these missiles go ???

This is most important question to reduce amount of damage. Americans in their past wars hit brain and nervous system in their first attack and then started to cut confused hands, that mean Americans before hitting military equipment would try to downgrade and destroy command centers and cut communication b/w Units and personals.
they would start heavy jamming and hit main Antennas and Radars.


Lessons from past wars
albeit, Iran have learnt these lessons from past US wars and start to develop Asymmetric warfare plan base on high mobility and Mosaic defense to survive and retaliate. Iran should be able to move it's military equipment like Radars, ballistic and cruise missiles, drones, command centers, communication centers, air defenses, and ...... very fast and these equipment must have ability to find threat and respond without need to connect with centers.

the Americans satellite are it's eyes above of Iran and probably they would guide missiles to reach to their targets, so Iran also must have plan to solve this problem in first wave of attack.

Iranian small and fast boats will drop thousand sea-mines in Oman sea and Makran coast, in addition Iranian fast attack boats and submarines with their cruise missiles and torpedoes will try to push back American warships far from Iranian coast.

I assume Iran have ability to push back American ships around 800 km to reach more safe zones than US submarines which can fire their missiles at near places to Iran soil.

below image show range of Tomahawk missiles with max 2500 km out of 800 km circle from chabahar port.



as it is clear in picture big cities in north west of Iran like Tabriz and Rasht are far enough from battle lines in south east coasts and city like Tabriz can be temporary political capital of Iran and act as brain to lead hands of Iran to retaliate in Makran coasts.

 

[SubWater]

southern front:

during last three decades, Iran successfully neutralized threats from North (soviet), West(Saddam and ISIS) and East(Taliban) but threat at south is still remain and need to neutralize rapidly otherwise they would hit Iran assets and interest in west and central Asia.

Iran does not have land border with non of the PGCC countries and all of them are Iran sea neighbors; in addition all of these countries have big American bases inside their territories, so they became Good assets for Americans to launch war against Iran from there but for many reasons that would not happen b/c this bases are known for Iran army and Iran would not hesitate to hit bases with it's ballistic missiles also that would provide good excuse for Iran to hit PGCC's Infrastructure as well.
as we can see in map most of the PGCC Infrastructures and population are near to Iran coasts in other hand Iran big cities and most of Iran's population are far from front line and hard to reach by Americans from southern front.

also I believe countries like Oman, Kuwait, Qatar and UAE would stand against Saudi and Bahrain to help Americans to attack Iran from their territories.
as result PGCC countries just would give their air borders to American for Attack Iran, furthermore they would provide money for Americans to break cost of war with Iran.

Diego Garcia Island:

Diego Garcia Island in Indian ocean is one of big American bases independent from host countries opinion, so American can use this base how they like.
this base in Indian Ocean is far enough from Iran main land to support American war against Iran without considering Iran big retaliation.
also this base is near enough to Iran to support American Naval forces to attack Iran.

we spoke about all of four fronts (west-north-east-south) and we found that war with big probability would come from south and there is really small probability for war in other fronts.

Iran just have sea borders in south, so American would attack Iran with their naval fleet and Iran Islands and coasts would be front lines in War.

now we finish my first part of fantasy assumption about American war with Iran.
the next parts are :
2. first wave of American attack
3. WAR

Part two:
2. first wave of American attack
the under water swords of US to invade:

Tomahawk:

base on wiki :
Unit cost : 1.8 m$ (block 4)
Warhead : 450 kg
Operational range : not more than 2500 km in longest range block

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Launch platforms:
Los Angeles-class submarine:

Active number : 36
Tomahawk fire power : 37
Total Tomahawk for all : 36*37 = 1332

Ohio-class submarine :

Active number : 18
Tomahawk fire power : 154
Total Tomahawk for all : 18*154= 2772

Seawolf-class submarine

Active number : 3
Tomahawk fire power : 50
Total Tomahawk for all : 3*50= 150

Virginia-class submarine

Active number : 13
Tomahawk fire power : 40
Total Tomahawk for all : 13*40= 520
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

I personally do not believe that American would bring All of their submarines to attack Iran, in addition submarines do not carry only Tomahawk missiles. Submarines should bring torpedoes in torpedo room as well to protect themselves, so base on my calculation Americans are able to fire maximum 2000 Tomahawk cruise missiles from SubWater .

1332 + 2772 + 150 + 520 = 4774

if Americans bring half of them to attack Iran : 2387

considering torpedoes as well in tubes : 2000 Tomahawk

Electronic warfare
EMP
torpedoes
Anti ship ballistic missiles
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
behind submarines would be Americans cruisers and destroyers for firing more tomahawk missiles

Arleigh Burke-class destroyer :

Active number : 64
Tomahawk fire power : this destroyer has 96, Mk 41 Vertical Launching System (VLS) and we assume just 50 of them are filled with Tomahawk
Total Tomahawk for all : 64*50= 3200

Ticonderoga-class cruiser :

Active number : 22
Tomahawk fire power : this destroyer has 122, Mk 41 Vertical Launching System (VLS) and we assume just 75 of them are filled with Tomahawk
Total Tomahawk for all : 22*75= 1650

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
as result Americans are able to fire 4850 (3200+1650) tomahawk missiles, if bring all of their destroyers and cruiser which is impossible again to bring all of them for war with Iran.
we consider only half of these ships would come for war which this lead us to around 2000 cruise missiles again.

behind all of these ships would be American aircraft carriers which are able to carry F/A 18 and other planes

Nimitz-class aircraft carrier :

Active number : 10
Aircraft carried: 85–90 fixed wing and helicopters
Total Aircraft for all : 10*85= 850

F/A-18 Hornet :

AGM-84H/K SLAM-ER under F/A 18

F/A-18 is able to fly from Nimitz aircraft carriers and fire AGM-84H/K SLAM-ER with 270 km range an also AGM-158 JASSM with more than 1000 km range.

AGM-158 JASSM next to F35

These is my old conclusion about American attack on Iran.
I conclude Americans are unable to fire more than 4000 missile toward Iran on their first wave of attack If their bring all of their capabilities to Iran borders which real number would be really smaller.

Don't believe American shits about firing 500 missile toward Iran daily b/c they don't have such capabilities.

Where would these missiles go ???

This is most important question to reduce amount of damage. Americans in their past wars hit brain and nervous system in their first attack and then started to cut confused hands, that mean Americans before hitting military equipment would try to downgrade and destroy command centers and cut communication b/w Units and personals.
they would start heavy jamming and hit main Antennas and Radars.


Lessons from past wars
albeit, Iran have learnt these lessons from past US wars and start to develop Asymmetric warfare plan base on high mobility and Mosaic defense to survive and retaliate. Iran should be able to move it's military equipment like Radars, ballistic and cruise missiles, drones, command centers, communication centers, air defenses, and ...... very fast and these equipment must have ability to find threat and respond without need to connect with centers.

the Americans satellite are it's eyes above of Iran and probably they would guide missiles to reach to their targets, so Iran also must have plan to solve this problem in first wave of attack.

I enjoyed to read this paragraphs again, and see how Iran increased it's mobility in last two years. Now we have mobile airfields.

S-191s

Now every Truck in Iran is possible target for Americans satellites and surveillance aircrafts to follow

 

[LeGenD]

Iranian thought process is archaic when it comes to warfare; how many horses you have? how many rockets you have? how many elephants you have?

It is rather important to strike at radar installations and communications network to create gaps between defenses and disrupt communication processes. For these ends, precision strikes are sufficient and there is no need to throw 500 cruise missiles towards these targets in one go (but US can of-course). Nevertheless, Tomahawk cruise missiles are only a part of the total strike package; numerous strikes will come from aircraft and Iranian defenses will be subjected to heavy doses of Electronic Warfare on top.

Study this article: https://foxtrotalpha.jalopnik.com/desert-storms-opening-shots-came-from-this-daring-helic-1753466057

- to understand how the Persian Gulf War (1991) commenced. Iraqi early warning radar installations were knocked out first, and the resultant gap in radar coverage was exploited to slip numerous aircraft through which then took care of additional set of radar installations, communications infrastructure and so on.

Electronic Warfare: https://www.ausairpower.net/Analysis-ODS-EW.html

 

[skyshadow]

Iranian thought process is archaic when it comes to warfare; how many horses you have? how many rockets you have? how many elephants you have?

It is rather important to strike at radar installations and communications network to create gaps between defenses and disrupt communication processes. For these ends, precision strikes are sufficient and there is no need to throw 500 cruise missiles towards these targets in one go (but US can of-course). Nevertheless, Tomahawk cruise missiles are only a part of the total strike package; numerous strikes will come from aircraft and Iranian defenses will be subjected to heavy doses of Electronic Warfare on top.

Study this article: https://foxtrotalpha.jalopnik.com/desert-storms-opening-shots-came-from-this-daring-helic-1753466057

- to understand how the Persian Gulf War (1991) commenced. Iraqi early warning radar installations were knocked out first, and the resultant gap in radar coverage was exploited to slip numerous aircraft through which then took care of additional set of radar installations, communications infrastructure and so on.

Electronic Warfare: https://www.ausairpower.net/Analysis-ODS-EW.html

do you honestly think Iran only has what like 10 radars? in the whole country? we build a lot of radars with the range of 500 km to 3000 km.

 

[Mrc]

Usa will hit them with 500 cruise missiles per day for 10 days in row... By the end nothing will be left of missile factories airforce and nuclear reactors


The real question is how will Iran fight back?????

 

[Maarkhoor]

Usa will hit them with 500 cruise missiles per day for 10 days in row... By the end nothing will be left of missile factories airforce and nuclear reactors


The real question is how will Iran fight back?????

By firing couple of missile at Israel which would end up being intercepted.

 

[skyshadow]

Usa will hit them with 500 cruise missiles per day for 10 days in row... By the end nothing will be left of missile factories airforce and nuclear reactors


The real question is how will Iran fight back?????

dude Iran is not Iraq 2003 look at it this way that if the United States defeats Pakistan in two air strikes and 10 days, than it can do that to Iran too as Iran holds more cards in its hands than Pakistan.

 

[Shapur Zol Aktaf]

Usa will hit them with 500 cruise missiles per day for 10 days in row... By the end nothing will be left of missile factories airforce and nuclear reactors

The real question is how will Iran fight back?????

The war will be fought on ground. No US soldier or American company/personnel will be save in the region anymore. No embassy, no consulate, no companies, no oil deal with Iraq.. all personel will be kidnapped immediately. The region will be a death zone for any US presence. I believe this will be the answer of Iran and its allies.

 

[Ryuzaki]

I expect a major false flag like sinking of an Arab vessel.

 

[Mithridates]

Iranian thought process is archaic when it comes to warfare; how many horses you have? how many rockets you have? how many elephants you have?

It is rather important to strike at radar installations and communications network to create gaps between defenses and disrupt communication processes. For these ends, precision strikes are sufficient and there is no need to throw 500 cruise missiles towards these targets in one go (but US can of-course). Nevertheless, Tomahawk cruise missiles are only a part of the total strike package; numerous strikes will come from aircraft and Iranian defenses will be subjected to heavy doses of Electronic Warfare on top.

Study this article: https://foxtrotalpha.jalopnik.com/desert-storms-opening-shots-came-from-this-daring-helic-1753466057

- to understand how the Persian Gulf War (1991) commenced. Iraqi early warning radar installations were knocked out first, and the resultant gap in radar coverage was exploited to slip numerous aircraft through which then took care of additional set of radar installations, communications infrastructure and so on.

Electronic Warfare: https://www.ausairpower.net/Analysis-ODS-EW.html

why you thing we are lying when we say we have assets to perform ECM?? we said this before our fakour and sayyad missile have HOJ capability, we have EW capability, you are missing the part, youre missing the part that there will be no suprise attack on iran.

Usa will hit them with 500 cruise missiles per day for 10 days in row... By the end nothing will be left of missile factories airforce and nuclear reactors


The real question is how will Iran fight back?????

first firing 500 CM does not mean they gonna hit targets, second we will reply them with the same number of BMs.