How Turkey is sending Muslim Uighurs back to China without breaking its promise

[xenon54 out]

What a line, so you are suggesting that we should not believe it,right? Your government is a liar or you are a liar?

Lol Turkish goverment IS a liar there is no dispute about it, they need the Chinese money because the screwed the economy so bad.
Thats why Erdogan is talking about Palestinians 24/7 while not saying a single word about Uyghurs even thought Uyghurs are recieving 1000 times worse threatment, not only that but they are even sucking up to CCP.
Things like this are the reason why i hate those hypocrites and would rather see them paying for their treason once they loose the power.

 

[Uguduwa]

We must recognise, Chinese govt is flexing its muscle all around the world - tibet, hk now, turkestan. what they have done in xinjiang is pure genocide and mass incarceration probably largest after WW2.

It's a matter of time before the invasions start and "reeducation" camps start popping up in invaded countries IMO. This is what worries me.

Also Beijingwalker and his propaganda are good to fool a 5 year old kid. At least put some effort to make your propaganda more sophisticated.

 

[beijingwalker]

Also Beijingwalker and his propaganda are good to fool a 5 year old kid. At least put some effort to make your propaganda more sophisticated.

Haha, which video or picture is not true? western China bashing propaganda is based on unverifiable lies. for those Tik tok videos you can even add the author and subscribe their channels and talk to them personally for verification, they all have Tik tok account numbers on them.

Uyghurs are recieving 1000 times worse threatment

Why 1000 times, not 1 billion times?

 

[xenon54 out]

Why 1000 times, not 1 billion times?

Depends on how far Chinese goverment will go.
You should understand one thing, you are right now doing what you do because you can and you believe it will solve the problems but believe me when i say this issue will hurt you way more in the long run because this is a way too big issue to be forgotten.

 

[HalfMoon]

We must recognise, Chinese govt is flexing its muscle all around the world - tibet, hk now, turkestan. what they have done in xinjiang is pure genocide and mass incarceration probably largest after WW2.

There was no never any genocide. Its all propaganda.

Taiwan, Xinjiang and Tibet were always part of China.

Hong Kong got legally transferred to China.

 

[beijingwalker]

Depends on how far Chinese goverment will go.
You should understand one thing, you are right now doing what you do because you can and you believe it will solve the problems but believe me when i say this issue will hurt you way more in the long run because this is a way too big issue to be forgotten.

One thing you should know, the Uighur population account for less than 0.8% of China's total population,they can't pose any threat to the country due to their tiny number, a district in Beijing has more people than their total, why China needs to spend time and make effort to persecute them? It doesn't make any common sense to China. Chinese leadership are not stupid, no matter how hard the western media tries to convince the world that they are.
Bad lie won't get pass people's common sense, unless some people let them.

 

[dBSPL]

What is the reason behind Turkish calm reaction? Economy? geopolitical interests? Pakistan does the same we are called names by Turks here.

Many Uighur used to reside in Pakistan too, i don't know current situation.

The US seems willing to clash with China in all areas. It is a natural policy of US pragmatism to associate this with many issues and manipulate third-party countries. Like China does. Turkey's has no any conflicting interests with China, or no major problems. On the contrary, China's increase the impact makes some geopolitical advantages for Turkey.

On the other hand, there are many differences appeared of opinion between Turkey and the US on almost all the issues in the Middle East. The fact that the USA is concentrating on more pacifics and increasing the attention areas is also what we want. The homogeneity and boundaries of the NATO structure, which you see as a single wing from outside, become increasingly obscure with the new world. Currently, 2 important NATO partners(as french and turkish navy) in the Eastern Mediterranean are acting almost like 2 enemies for example.

I do not want to disseminate the issue a lot, but briefly the political and militarily structure of the West wing is not really well understood in PDF. On the contrary, it is mostly used as a manipulation tool by Chinese trolls.

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Let's go back to the subject, the Turkish people are trying to raise their voices with an activity that is nowhere else in the world regarding the systematic assimilation of Uyghur Turks.

Non-governmental organizations are very active in this regard. Uyghurs who managed to escape tell the atrocities they experienced in many panels. This public awareness is also putting pressure on the government, and it will surely be a result of this in the first elections.

Of course, there are some sociological reasons for this. Uighur Turkish is as close to us as Azerbaijani Turkish. A Uygur and Oğuz can talk to each other comfortably without any help. Because they speak the same language. The same is true for Gagauz Turks, for example. And we are as sensitive to their social and political problems as Uyghurs.

How can I describe this link, actually I do not know exactly. When Abdurrehim Heyit, Uygur folk poet, wrote a poem, millions of people in Turkey read them, at least saw 1 time. Maybe tens of millions of Turks listen to their songs and feel their struggle in their hearts.

In fact, there is no state of calm. On the contrary, there is an increasing response to the current government. I hope you can now understand why some atlantic media outlets and their tail desert rats are playing the populism card.

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Let's give an example of the value of common interests, and their reflections to future politics: Currently, Turkey and Russia displaying intensly clash of interests. Turkey is probably the only NATO country to down the Russian aircraft. Both sides attacked each other's military assets many times. There are serious conflicts of interest both in Syria, Libya even to Black Sea and Khazar. However, Russia is the fastest growth its importance as one of the main strategic trading partners of Turkey. Moreover, the Russians won an important military tender for the first time after 1950. Despite all disputes, both countries began to manage the channel of dialogue, even in conflict zones, for the future of their relations. Despite all the sabotages, assassinations and provocations over terrorist organizations.

The world no longer works with bloc politics. Unfortunately, even in 2020, someones are trying to read current order with old world stereotypes and dogmas. If we compare China and Russia for Turkey's side; even China can be seen as angel on many aspects. This aphorism will tell something for anyone with in-depth knowledge of Turkish-Russian history.

 

[Armchair]

We must recognise, Chinese govt is flexing its muscle all around the world - tibet, hk now, turkestan. what they have done in xinjiang is pure genocide and mass incarceration probably largest after WW2.

I agree. However, Turkey is not handing over Uighurs to China, that part is fake. Find me any credible news source - there isn't. And it is outside of what I know of Turkey, and I follow their politics pretty closely. I even know where many Uighurs in Turkey are settled, and where else Turkey is helping them to settle.

 

[beijingwalker]

I agree. However, Turkey is not handing over Uighurs to China, that part is fake. Find me any credible news source - there isn't. And it is outside of what I know of Turkey, and I follow their politics pretty closely. I even know where many Uighurs in Turkey are settled, and where else Turkey is helping them to settle.

True, many Uighur terrorists went to Syria to join the war there through Turkey. Several Uighur separatist organizations also operate in Turkey against China. We are not stupid, we know the double game Turkey is playing and China is playing along accordingly.

 

[denel]

There was no never any genocide. Its all propaganda.

Taiwan, Xinjiang and Tibet were always part of China.

Hong Kong got legally transferred to China.

Absolutely, just like there is no caste system within India. Stop smoking the dagga from the streets.

It's a matter of time before the invasions start and "reeducation" camps start popping up in invaded countries IMO. This is what worries me.

Also Beijingwalker and his propaganda are good to fool a 5 year old kid. At least put some effort to make your propaganda more sophisticated.

Correct, people are not realising. under Xi - the chinese communists have become very moronic and arrogant. They are using monies to silence client states and keep them subservient. It is a pity - people in muslim world cry and lament about Palestine or Kashmir but conviniently forget about other muslim suffering - yemen, turkestan, darfur just to name a few.

 

[beijingwalker]

Correct, people are not realising. under Xi - the chinese communists have become very moronic and arrogant. They are using monies to silence client states and keep them subservient. It is a pity - people in muslim world cry and lament about Palestine or Kashmir but conviniently forget about other muslim suffering - yemen, turkestan, darfur just to name a few.

Haha, if you hate to live in this world, try to go to live in another world.

 

[Uguduwa]

My wife was detained, released, and disappeared again in China. Here's my message on behalf of my people, the Uighurs.
Courtesy of Mamutjan AbdurehimMamutjan Abdurehim and his family at a restaurant in Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia, in May 2015.

• Mamutjan Abdurehim is from Kashgar, Xinjiang – the Chinese region known now for its severe surveillance, arbitrary detentions, and forced labour.
• Abdurehim was separated from his wife and two young children in 2015, when they were forced to return to Xinjiang under the guise of a goverment request for a passport renewal. He stayed in Malaysia, where he was studying.
• His wife was taken from their Kashgar home in April 2017 and sent to one of China’s detention camps for Uighur Muslims.
• Two years later, Abdurehim found out through a WeChat video that she was released from the prisons and back living in Kashgar.
• He has now discovered, through via coded messages from sources back home, that she has since disappeared again and likely is jailed for five years.
• In a personal essay for Insider, Abdurehim tells his story and explains why he is speaking out.
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No words can properly describe how agonizing the past three years have been for me. I never imagined what it would be like to lose my family to a black hole where nobody knows what happens.







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I am from Kashgar, a city in Xinjiang, western China. The region has in recent years become synonymous with severe surveillance, arbitrary detentions, and forced labour.

My wife, Muherrem Ablet, was taken away from our home in Kashgar and sent to a government detention camp on April 15, 2017. Our two young children were left behind with our parents.

Muherrem couldn’t have known it was coming. The day before she was taken, we were speaking on WeChat, and nothing seemed amiss.

All I know is what my parents told me the following day: That she was called in for a “study program” for a short period of time.


That is, I now know, a common euphemism for China’s detention camps, which are reported to be in dire condition, and where people endure psychological and physical torture so they would become loyal to the Communist Party.

On the day Muherrem was taken away, party agents said she was being detained, but was allowed family visits at her camp once a week.

Those promised visitations ended after the first one.

I did not know then that it would mark the beginning of the mass internment of Uighurs (activists estimate that between 1 and 2 million have been detained). My wife would have been one of the first to be taken away.

‘Graduation’
In late May 2017, Muherrem texted me on WeChat saying that she had come home for a day “under guarantee of a family member” – meaning someone in the family promised to send her back, or be punished otherwise.


One or two days later, I found that she had changed her profile picture and deleted me from her contacts list – presumably before being returned to the camps.

She remained there until May 2, 2019.

I know this because that day I had come across a video of my son, Hikmet, on a relative’s WeChat page, where he could be seen screaming euphorically: “My mum has graduated!”

“Graduation” is a common euphemism for being released from the camps.

I can’t recall how many times I frantically watched and rewatched that video that day.

Seeing my son reunited with his mother gave me some peace. To be sure, I begged an acquaintance in Kashgar to confirm it for me. After many prodding messages, they confirmed after two weeks that Muherrem had come home and I need not worry.

Until recently, I had been under the impression that she was home, safe, after two years of internment. I can’t know for sure; I have not been able to have any conversations with her or anyone else in my family, as they have since told me to stop contacting them.





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