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HOW TRUMP UNLEASHED MEDITERRANEAN ARSENAL ON ASSAD

Interesting, but ... not quite convinced yet. Please some info on the vehicle.

Most Fateh A-110 that I'm aware of are on 3 axle vehicles. e.g. Mercedes 3340 6x4
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http://spioenkop.blogspot.nl/2014/12/why-israel-is-bombing-syria-and-is.html

Could be Mercedes 4140 chassis. It's been used to mount e.g. heavy artillery
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Specifically, I'ld like to see a frontal aspect picture of this truck.
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This being Zelzal-2 on 4140 chassis
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https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/arms-in-syria.289204/#post-4986558

Location of fuel tank and steps also seems to match.
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4140K cab not a great match
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4140 Old style cab: better match
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these two are the closest match:
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However i found a discrepancy in this as well. Where is the launch rail?
Yes the truck is destroyed and is on its side but since the rail is longer than the truck itself, some little part if it should have been visible but it is not.

Still, the positioning of front stabilizer (between wheel one and two rather than being behind the first two wheels as in Pantsir system) indicates that it is not likely a Pantsir either.

Well, do much for guess work i would say. :D

@Kitten what do you say about the missing rail? :)
 
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A handout grab image from a video made available by the Russian Defense Ministry's press service on the official website of the Russian Defense Ministry shows a hangar at the Shayrat air base after it was hit by a US strike on April 8, 2017.
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http://www.presstv.ir/Detail/2017/0...yrat-airfield-Homs-Russia-lawmaker-Yemelyanov

In a photo released by the Russian state-owned news outlet, Sputnik, the remains of two planes are seen underneath
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http://abcnews.go.com/US/syrian-jets-off-air-base-hit-us/story?id=46646770

@Kitten what do you say about the missing rail?
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The base for the rail is behind the vehicle, by the looks of it.
 
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A handout grab image from a video made available by the Russian Defense Ministry's press service on the official website of the Russian Defense Ministry shows a hangar at the Shayrat air base after it was hit by a US strike on April 8, 2017.
ca962f23-91eb-4385-9c2e-f115a49005c5.jpg

http://www.presstv.ir/Detail/2017/0...yrat-airfield-Homs-Russia-lawmaker-Yemelyanov

In a photo released by the Russian state-owned news outlet, Sputnik, the remains of two planes are seen underneath
AP-syrian-air-base-strike-ps2-170407_4x3_992.jpg

http://abcnews.go.com/US/syrian-jets-off-air-base-hit-us/story?id=46646770


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The base for the rail is behind the vehicle, by the looks of it.

The rail is clearly visible.
 
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The S-400 has two missiles which are dedicated to bring down low flying aircraft and terrain hugging cruise missiles.

The smaller batteries are present as a counter to saturation attacks.
Really? only two missiles?
it does not have a low scanning radar, looking back at old images i believe its the pantsir thats also deployed in syria.
 
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http://americanmilitarynews.com/2017/04/check-aftermath-u-s-missile-strikes-syria/

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Jet in the foreground appears the same, but the one in the background is differrent. Also note how there is a vertical line next to the hole in the wall on the right: these are 2 different shelters > these two pics alone account for 4 destroyed aircraft, of which 2 appear Su-22 (front aircraft both pics) and 1 a Mig-23 (top pic, in the rear). Practise is to park 2 aircraft per shelter. Shelters are typically paired (2 arches) on this airfield. See above aerial pictures and count the number of shelters/arches hit. Each could how 0-2 aircraft. So that can give a lo-hi estimate of aircraft destroyed.

Mig 23 (note tail shape: stepped)
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Su-22 (note tail shape - unstepped - and protrusion forward of it: this not evident in first pic)
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Really? only two missiles?

Two classes of missiles. Each TEL can carry 16 missiles.

it does not have a low scanning radar, looking back at old images i believe its the pantsir thats also deployed in syria.

The radar is PESA. It can perform electronic scanning in both azimuth and elevation.

The Pantsir is meant to protect the S-400 from saturation attacks.
 
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Can some military specialist highlight the damage done?
What I see a is.. 2 runways in perfect order!
I doubt US missiles were inaccurate in construction... what ever the reason would be, ground result is Assad still have airfield in operational order.
What's going on and why any of commentator failed to see this obvious sighting?

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This seems to be an empty hanger, seems Assad had vacated airbase before attack.
Was he informed in advance? or was he shrewd enough to guess what's coming?

After looking at above two pictures which I quoted... this man below looks to me a complete JackAxx

The date of the map is 7 Oct 2016, which is 6 months ago.
The base has 40 shelters, but the Syrian Air Force is not what it used to be so some
may be empty.
The US claims no aircraft left the base between the warning and the strike.
 
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CMD is a terminal defence system. It can only protect your own location and a little bit around you. And it can be fully automated, depending on the target. Tomahawk will give you enough time to launch interceptors in waves, while also having a man in the loop, Brahmos and Zircon won't. That's why CMDs are generally fully automatic.

BMD is entirely different and requires a lengthy process with a man in the loop, like in the video. But the technology for what they attempted to do in the video doesn't exist yet. And when such a tech does come into existence, then BMs will become obsolete. So it's pointless to talk about.

oh lord.

The video is to show you how the C&C related to the Interception of Cruise Missile (notice the video also showing the sub launching Tomahawk) the video is completely untrue, however, the procedure is close to reality albeit, a shorten one. Since ship's and land base CIC are very sensitive area, I cannot show or tell you how exactly work from a command chain to the actual interception.

There are a few stages to intercept a missile. And those stages are time consuming, the kills chain of a missile interception is like this

Stage 1 : Identify (ID where the location the missile is launching from, their speed, target heading)
Stage 2 : Verify (Verify the Target, what type of missile, decoy, booster they are using)
Stage 3 : Calculate the Trajectory (ie where they are heading, possible target location)
Stage 4 : Solution (Form an intercept solution, kill tracks and the best intercepting route, include altitude and heading)
Stage 5 : Launch (Launches missile to intercept, Prime the missile, put in the target solution)
Stage 6 : intercept (Actual intercepting the missile, the missile travel to where the Cruise Missile heading)

The video show on the TV skipped Stage 2, Stage 3, Stage 4 and Stage 6. What they basically do is identify a launch, then the commander ask for a target solution and they knew where the missile is heading, and although he asked for a intercept solution, they fired without actually putting it in and have not been mentioned since.

Even an extremely shorten kill chain, it still take about 1 minutes 10 second to launch and intercept the missile, another 20 or so second to see if they can chase down the missile. In reality, the missile intercept window is only about 2 to 3 minutes (Judging from the fact that missile travelling at 9 mile per minutes) at a range of 60 miles (100 km) Which give you 5 minutes from launch to target for you to intercept. Which is impossible to do for all 59 targets.

Can't tell you much about this, but in actual event, given you know where to launch, it will take at least 15 minutes to perform all 6 stages and intercept all the missile. If Russia have AWACS on suit, maybe, if Russia know where the missile came from, maybe, if US launch the missile at tandem (so one by one not a salvo) maybe.
 
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No, it is not.

Cruise missile munitions are not designed against flat concrete, for the runway, there is the Durandal.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matra_Durandal

Try again. Where are those cruise missile 'misses' ?
But, Durandal (BLU-107/B in USAF service) is delivered via aircraft (e.g. F-111 in the past, F-15E strike aircraft in the present). Brits used Tornado with JP233 dispenser for this purpoise.

TLAM-D contains 166 sub-munitions in 24 canisters: 22 canisters of seven each, and two canisters of six each to conform to the dimensions of the airframe. The sub-munitions are the same type of Combined Effects Munition bomblet used in large quantities by the U.S. Air Force with the CBU-87 Combined Effects Munition. This is an area denial weapon, which could prevent use of runways, but it does not carry runway penetrating munitions that destroy runways.

Besides, the Russians also use it and they (nor, I presume, their operations) were not targeted.
 
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Oj, what happened to Kitten's post about framing, with the video?

Pretty sure tht video showed 2x a destroyed 8x8 with supports, like that of the rocket launcher (3:17 to 3:37, 4:15, possibly another 5:17) Other vehicles are mostly aircraft support vehicles, not AD vehicles. 4:54 showed a Kh23 or KH25MR guided missile for Su-22. (The Kh-25 is very similar to the later version of the Kh-23, with cruciform canards and fins.) and a rocket pot appears at 5:45. Pretty harmless and non-imformative.
 
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No, it is not.

ok if it satisfy ur ego.........

But US targeted the airfield facilities and hangers instead of the actual airfield. Isn't it? AFAIK air operations from the airport has dropped considerably according to some reports.



https://warisboring.com/flights-from-syrian-base-fell-sharply-after-u-s-strike/

The objective of the attacks was to make sure that syrian regime is unable to carry out to chemical attacks again according to US
 
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oh lord.

The video is to show you how the C&C related to the Interception of Cruise Missile (notice the video also showing the sub launching Tomahawk) the video is completely untrue, however, the procedure is close to reality albeit, a shorten one. Since ship's and land base CIC are very sensitive area, I cannot show or tell you how exactly work from a command chain to the actual interception.

Although it looks like a Tomahawk launch, the man in the video says "Ballistic missile fired".

That's why I said SAMs can't bring down BMs like it did in the video.

There are a few stages to intercept a missile. And those stages are time consuming, the kills chain of a missile interception is like this

Stage 1 : Identify (ID where the location the missile is launching from, their speed, target heading)
Stage 2 : Verify (Verify the Target, what type of missile, decoy, booster they are using)
Stage 3 : Calculate the Trajectory (ie where they are heading, possible target location)
Stage 4 : Solution (Form an intercept solution, kill tracks and the best intercepting route, include altitude and heading)
Stage 5 : Launch (Launches missile to intercept, Prime the missile, put in the target solution)
Stage 6 : intercept (Actual intercepting the missile, the missile travel to where the Cruise Missile heading)

The video show on the TV skipped Stage 2, Stage 3, Stage 4 and Stage 6. What they basically do is identify a launch, then the commander ask for a target solution and they knew where the missile is heading, and although he asked for a intercept solution, they fired without actually putting it in and have not been mentioned since.

Even an extremely shorten kill chain, it still take about 1 minutes 10 second to launch and intercept the missile, another 20 or so second to see if they can chase down the missile. In reality, the missile intercept window is only about 2 to 3 minutes (Judging from the fact that missile travelling at 9 mile per minutes) at a range of 60 miles (100 km) Which give you 5 minutes from launch to target for you to intercept. Which is impossible to do for all 59 targets.

Can't tell you much about this, but in actual event, given you know where to launch, it will take at least 15 minutes to perform all 6 stages and intercept all the missile. If Russia have AWACS on suit, maybe, if Russia know where the missile came from, maybe, if US launch the missile at tandem (so one by one not a salvo) maybe.

The S-400's response time from stopping the vehicle to firing an interceptor is just 5 minutes.
A fully deployed S-400's response time from detecting the target to firing an interceptor is 10 seconds. Meaning, the entire process from Stage 1 to Stage 5 is 10 seconds. Yes, 10 seconds.

Against certain targets, there is no man in the loop. Against some targets, there is. In fact, for the S-400, the man in the loop is an option. You actually don't need it.

Here's one exercise with the very old S-300V. This system requires a man in the loop.
http://army-news.ru/2010/10/kompleks-s300-vpervye-porazil/
" The density of the strike reached six goals in a minute, and all two minutes of battle, destroyed 14 target missiles - unique perspective of air attack potential enemy," - said the general.

With the S-400, all the men in the unit can be dead and the SAM can still continue to function. This is among the reasons why both India and China want the Russian SAMs even though both countries have alternative systems deployed.

In fact our Defence Minister specifically asked the IAF to reduce the purchase of SR and MR SAMs because of the superiority of the S-400. He called for a review of all SAM purchases up to 2027.

http://economictimes.indiatimes.com...saved-rs-49300-crore/articleshow/51366381.cms
Sources told ET that the revaluation conducted by the air force concluded that with the S400 acquisition, the long term acquisition plan for over 100 each Medium and Short range systems have been cut down. "The study found that we will require a much lesser number of the shorter range systems. Minister Parrikar convinced the air force that according to its layered defence plan, the long range system (S 400) would make the larger number of MR SAM and SR SAM redundant," a top official told ET.

The Russians want to automate their entire army. Remove the man in the loop as much as possible.
 
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In fact our Defence Minister specifically asked the IAF to reduce the purchase of SR and MR SAMs because of the superiority of the S-400. He called for a review of all SAM purchases up to 2027.

http://economictimes.indiatimes.com...saved-rs-49300-crore/articleshow/51366381.cms
Sources told ET that the revaluation conducted by the air force concluded that with the S400 acquisition, the long term acquisition plan for over 100 each Medium and Short range systems have been cut down. "The study found that we will require a much lesser number of the shorter range systems. Minister Parrikar convinced the air force that according to its layered defence plan, the long range system (S 400) would make the larger number of MR SAM and SR SAM redundant," a top official told ET.

The Russians want to automate their entire army. Remove the man in the loop as much as possible.

While Indian trolls are trying to re-build the shattered myth of S-400, IAF will be fidgeting in private with an eye toward a border with Baburs and Raads :-)
 
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The date of the map is 7 Oct 2016, which is 6 months ago.
The base has 40 shelters, but the Syrian Air Force is not what it used to be so some
may be empty.
The US claims no aircraft left the base between the warning and the strike.

Thanks for answering my curious questions, which arise after looking at the pictures in OP.
 
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