How to develop Karachi? Do not vote for MQM and PPP

[CIS-TRANS]

I agree.


Please add Sindh and Balochistan too.

But the problem with us Karachiites is simple.

We never supported any party other than JI and MQM.

So if we never voted for them, how could we expect anything back?

Why will we support Pukhtoon, Punjabi, Sindhi, balochi political parties when they don't have anything to do with Karachi's affairs, They are simply the real immigrants that labeled Karachi'ites as traitors. This nation have to realize that only people of Karachi will love their city more then anyone, outsider don't need to interfere as we don't interfere in their matters.

 

[VCheng]

we must adopt the principle.

you got my vote last time. Show me development.
if not, your are out.
No! I am not going to hear speeches and cries from London or Larkana.

Out!

This is a great and principled solution. But how do we get the people to vote based on this principle rather than the baradari system we have going on now?

 

[Musafir117]

Thank and Sorry for not tagging a correct list.

Actually I do not know which one is Karachiite and which one isn't.

Please post here and I'll make sure they will be tagged ALL the time, and not just Karachi threads.

I'll do that until they cry and shout to remove their names. hahah. just kidding.

Bhai this the problem we are facing since long KARACHI KARACHI KARCHI, coz Karachi is a mini Pakistan, agree?
If we are serious to solve Karachi problem mean Pakistan( mini one ) than we need to know what's the problem, who are the becharas ( victims ) it's Karachi the mini Pakistan or it's whole Pakistan, yea sure you need to check your tag list according with situation and circumstances you wanna discuss the rest you know very well, sorry to be rude.

 

[VCheng]

Very serious question bhai jaan.

Say if you have a 10 years old shirt.
It looked great on you 10 years ago.

But now thanks to good job, it pinches on few places.

Would you continue wearing it?
Or go to market and find another shirt?

Walking around shirtless is not an option off course.

Hope this explains.

An even more serious question Sir: Do you have the money to afford a new shirt?

 

[FaujHistorian]

An even more serious question Sir: Do you have the money to afford a new shirt?

may not be "NEW" new, but "different" new.

Hope this explains.

 

[Gazi]

This is a great and principled solution. But how do we get the people to vote based on this principle rather than the baradari system we have going on now?

Politics without Power is useless so these Politicians can Claim that they have no Administrative Power to develop their Areas as Parliament and Assembly has LEGISLATION Roles rather then Administrative roles so they are useless in terms of offering development unless they have some degree of Administrative power available to them. So this so called Principle can be easily COUNTERED in the end.

 

[Jaanbaz]

In this Ramazan I will pray for Fauji bhai's health, he's getting worse.

 

[VCheng]

may not be "NEW" new, but "different" new.

Hope this explains.

Okay, I won't talk about Landa Bazar in the interests of serious debate.

Karachi is a huge metropolis, and one that is growing rapidly in an environment of near total failure of governance. Therefore, its role as a central financial hub is a plum prize for just about every large group one can think of. The biggest mafia wins, sort of like 1920s Chicago. There, the Federal government stepped in to clean up. Something similar in Karachi is the only solution, if the Federal government is capable of carrying it out to completion.

 

[Indus Pakistan]

The reason we didn't develop, because we supported parties based on ethnic and religious lines.
--- Thus we got more Mohajirism, Sindhism, and Islamism.

Had we supported parties based on development,
--- We would have seen development.


Punjab parties know, that they must show something positive at least in Lahore.

When Shahbaz Sharif was kicked out of country by Mush,

Who came to power there?

you guessed it! PML-Q (Chaudhry brathran)

And guess what PML-Q had to to do huge amount of development in Lahore.

Today everyone in Punjab knows that they must show some progress so the politicians show projects.

In Punjab all parties including PML-ABCDEFG, PTI, PPP, JI all have EQUAL chances of winning.

Punjabis are supporting ALL parties.
KPK too.

But sadly in Sindh (and particularly in Karachi)

In Sindh, we are blind followers. year after year we support ethnic gods aka Tafu mota chor and Bhutto-Zardari clan

MQM seats are secure not because of development, but due to Mohajirism.

So Karachi suffers
While Lahore develops.

Solution:
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we must adopt the principle.

you got my vote last time. Show me development.
if not, your are out.
No! I am not going to hear speeches and cries from London or Larkana.

Out!

out out out out out out!
I'll give a chance to the other guy, different guy. May be PTI, may be PML-N, may be martians. But MQM and PPP must be OUT! at least for one election cycle. At least!
I am sick and tired of you!
OUT!

For sure Khyber Pakhtuns and Punjabi voters are being more selective toward development goals and that's why whoever takes over both provinces tends to be under pressure or they know they will get the boot come the elections.

Karachi and Sindh. This province unfortunatly is trapped around the ethnic divide. Almost 70 years after the Mohajirs migrated from India they have still not integrated into Sindh, instead they just have carved a block - I can't say that this has not happened in other parts of the world although I think this example is rather unique.

I frankly don't know enough about Karachi/Sindh but if I were to hazard a guess for sure MQM need sorting out and maybe the army might do that. Governor rule is another option. The problem is the Mohajir's are eitheir through threat or choice tied to the MQM. The Sindhi are still living lives in feudal setup. The Sindhi elite class has made no real attempt to change the rural society of Sindh.

Five years of governor rule with focus on education and strong reinforcing of law and order might just do the trick to get this "sick man of Pakistan" moving. My fear is the future. We have had significant Pashtun's move in to Karachi and more will move over the next decades. We are going to end up with three way split with Pashtun/Mohajir in Karachi and Sindhi at the provincial level.

Of course like I have said before my knowledge of this part of Pakistan is extremely limited and I wait for others 'on the ground' to correct me.

*The MQM bile for PTI/Pashtuns/Imran Khan is I believe driven by the population change that Karachi has seen in the last 30 years and will see in next 20 years which threatens their monopoly.

 

[MastanKhan]

You Quoted my Response where I mentioned MMA Nazim who was Niamatullah Khan not Mustafa Kamal. Mustafa Kamal wasnt FORCED to Run away he left the Party but in the end he was like another Political Worker of MQM holding no senior Official Position and was totally UNKNOWN when they Brought him forward so APPRECIATE the Source as well Which Provide us the Right person from within that was previously Unknown to everyone.

Hi,

We all know that Mustafa Kamal was a shining star-----was he getting too much limelight that the party hierarchy felt threatened with his REAL ACHIEVEMENTS and sidelined him.

Why is he not in the most important party position----he proved that he is a somebody---he is someone---he is able and he is capable---is that what Altaf Hussein feared that someone is getting more recognition than him.

Mustafa Kamal was no " another party worker "---just to say that is to degrade is abilities and capabilities and humiliate him----he is a man with extraordinary skills and talent and he was completely sidelined just to show how the powerful and mighty can destroy a man of quality.

 

[FaujHistorian]

Why will we support Pukhtoon, Punjabi, Sindhi, balochi political parties when they don't have anything to do with Karachi's affairs, They are simply the real immigrants that labeled Karachi'ites as traitors. This nation have to realize that only people of Karachi will love their city more then anyone, outsider don't need to interfere as we don't interfere in their matters.

That's emotional response for sure.

Real immigrants aka MQM if not elected for 5 years is not going to die.

From then on they will work hard for development instead of shifting bhatta to London.

 

[Musafir117]

Lo Bhai Fauji ^ above post is near to your taste which was you looking for.

 

[Shot-Caller]

More people had supported to MQM in 2008 elections just for development ... I know such people who doesn't used to participating in elections but they had gone to cast their vote just for seeing marvelous tenure of MQM during 2002 to 2007 ... As if MQM gets a chance with full authority in Karachi they are able to turn around the city ..........

Street crime was introduced during that tenure. 99% of karachi became a victim of it. People became scared of letting their kids have phones or attending a call in public and the impact multiplied Please add this to the achievements list as well.

 

[MastanKhan]

Okay, I won't talk about Landa Bazar in the interests of serious debate.

Karachi is a huge metropolis, and one that is growing rapidly in an environment of near total failure of governance. Therefore, its role as a central financial hub is a plum prize for just about every large group one can think of. The biggest mafia wins, sort of like 1920s Chicago. There, the Federal government stepped in to clean up. Something similar in Karachi is the only solution, if the Federal government is capable of carrying it out to completion.

Hi,

As Karachi is the heart and soul f Pakistan----the most important city----then it falls on the federal govt to make sure that the city is setup for success every step of the way----. A strong and prosperous Karachi mean and strong and prosperous Pakistan.

And for the reason that Karachi has so much wealth is the reason for the political criminal enterprises to focus their target on Karachi----.

There was no excuse for the fed govt to let Karachi be looted and plundered by Zardari and co without putting a stop to it immediately.

Karachi needs the respect from the fed govt that it deserves.

 

[Musafir117]

Fauji Bhai
So whom karachiets vote for? Give them your kind advice please. No MQM no PPP