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How to beat the "1971Civil War " Psychological Syndrome !

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Is there ANY CREDIBLE, GENUINE & IRREFUTABLE evidence to support your claims? If you are not lying and spreading indian FAKE NEWS remember to post the links here.

Not sure what do u mean by claim¿

It is a open fact and truth that India was manage to control 65% of jammu and kashmir against Pakistan in 1947.

And lost to China only in 1962... (20% of jammu and kashmir)

UNSURE, what are you trying to say and claim¿
 
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4 Years into Liberation, 1975 Bangladeshis killed Sheikh Mujib. That year alone had 3 coups.
1982 Another military coup in Bangladesh
2007 a military coup following a political crisis

You had more coups than Pakistan, and you say India is keeping BD down. It is because of the political instability, who would want to invest in such a place? When you have stability now, you have investments and development.

Aftermath of 1971
When did the Bangladeshi people go from being allies to termites?

 
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and yet senior RSS leaders are saying this, who influence BJP, Shiv Sena and various other politicians, bureaucrats, military officers, etc. this is India's wet dream.
Rest assured we are not going for akhand bharat , we just want whatever we have with us .
 
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If the Pakistan Army is "defeated" why do your military leaders keep referring to it . Getting nightmares ? Why so much talk about a defeated enemy?


I don't think that India usually say to world community that false flag operation could be happen... Please look into it..
 
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I think you have missed a trick here. You should have opened a thread asking why the gangulanders havn't got over and are still psychologically damaged over August the 14th 1947.........:lol:


Good idea. We should do that.

This thread was intended to be for us, which is why it is in the Pakistan affairs forum.
I don't think that India usually say to world community that false flag operation could be happen... Please look into it..

Confused...by your answer .:wave:

Will ask the questions again.


1. Post 1971 is Pakistan a defeated nation ?

2. Post 1971 is there a threat to India from Pakistan?
 
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For @Raj-Hindustani , @Jackdaws @achhu
Please comment on the discussion below:

https://defence.pk/pdf/goto/post?id=12973063
Silverblaze said:
However, forgetting this loss and convincing ourselves that it was bound to happen should not be the premise of our narrative.

For me, loss of east pakistan is a reminder that india is the ideological and civilizational enemy of muslims of subcontinent and particularly Pakistan the symbol of muslim sovereignty in S. Asia.
I would have agreed with you if the declassified documents 50 years later had not been revealed. India lost the civilizational battle against Muslims in 1947. ( Note, I used the word Muslims not Pakistan).
East Pakistan or Bangladesh as it is now known is still majority Muslim.
India was inimical to the existence of Pakistan for the first few years after independence and had hoped Pakistan would collapse on its own.
Once the carnage of Partition was over India tried to adopt a secular political structure, and its enmity to Pakistan ( at that time) was not so much religious, but an admission of the failure of a secular character of an anti-colonial struggle. India was loathe to be seen as a sectarian communal state in the aftermath of World War 2 that had seen the most horrific excesses of religious persecution.
Once India realized that Pakistan would survive it concentrated on recovering the rest of Kashmir, or at least threaten Pakistan on the IB so that Pakistan gives up its claims on the rest of Kashmir. The 1965 war was a stark reality check exposing the limits of India's military power.

An even bigger reality check was the aftermath of the 1971 war. India, having a multilingual structure itself was loathe to encourage parochial linguistic chauvinism which could erupt back home ( and it did ! ). Pakistan could no longer be held hostage by its Eastern Wing. The Indian armed forces had failed to deliver a victory in the West and capture Azad Kashmir .
Pakistan would survive to retain Azad Kashmir, and rearm, rebuild and resist India for the foreseeable future. With its "1000 year victory" India had got more than it bargained for. Which is why India went for a disengagement and territory swap just a few weeks after the ceasefire in February 1972 and just seven month later initiated peace talks.

There is a difference between the secular centrist left leaning government in power in India back in 1971, and the fascist regime ruling India today.
 
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India got 65% of jammu and kashmir in 1947.

Thanks to Pakistan because if they never attacked then agreement was never signed between j&k and Indian government in 1947.

Lossing to China in 1962 is different story but thanks to Pakistan for giving 65% of jammu and kashmir in 1947...

65% controlled by India is an internet hoax....

India has less than 50% of Kashmir territory, around 45% of Kashmir if Pak side and China controlled Kashmir is measured.

India controls 101,338 km2 (39,127 sq mi) of the disputed territory, Pakistan controls 85,846 km2 (33,145 sq mi), and the People's Republic of China controls the remaining 37,555 km2 (14,500 sq mi).


And between India and Pak side(excluding the China Aksai Chin) Pakistan has about 44% of Kashmir, India has about 56%.

And China and Pak Kashmir equals about 118, 991 sq.kms, larger than India controlled 101,338 sq.kms Kashmir area.

Small correction: Pakistan area is about 86,268 as per area of Gilgit Baltistan and Azad Kashmir combined...
 
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When you force upon minority over majority, end result is civil war, provided a foreign country chip in with trained militias and weapons.
If we look at today's Pakistan, all ingredients are available or may i say has been engineered, where Imran Khan has the task for the eventual torching.
He has already succeeded in lead economic blow to Pakistan, where the domino is on the move and there's no solution out of it. (please save me from the rhetoric rich people are not paying taxes.. it's another debate)
How dynamics would eventually workout is another thing but i would consider it a tipping point, when i see big rats leaving the ship.
BTW a country where politicians micro manage the state institutions is a mere banana republic. Many examples from past 3 years can be pointed at, but we all have seen the example of by elections, where public was making videos of corruption of state organs, which is exact opposite to how state must function.
 
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65% controlled by India is an internet hoax....

India has less than 50% of Kashmir territory, around 45% of Kashmir if Pak side and China controlled Kashmir is measured.

India controls 101,338 km2 (39,127 sq mi) of the disputed territory, Pakistan controls 85,846 km2 (33,145 sq mi), and the People's Republic of China controls the remaining 37,555 km2 (14,500 sq mi).


And between India and Pak side(excluding the China Aksai Chin) Pakistan has about 44% of Kashmir, India has about 56%.

And China and Pak Kashmir equals about 118, 991 sq.kms, larger than India controlled 101,338 sq.kms Kashmir area.

India has less than 50% of Kashmir territory, around 45% of Kashmir if Pak side and China controlled Kashmir is measured.

Why??? No logic. This is something called filter/customizations to showcase good results.

I was replying on 1947 war, I will stand on my words that India was able to control approx. 60-65% against Pakistan. But lost to china in 1962 (approx. - 20-22%)

Now at present, Jammu and Kashmir is divided between India (approx 45 %), China (Approx 30) and Pakistan (Approx 35%).
 
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That is only a fact......

I was replying on 1947 war, I will stand on my words that India was able to control approx. 60-65% against Pakistan. But lost to china in 1962 (approx. - 20-22%)


Yes right, add to this the recent loss of more area at Galvan, Pangong of around 1000 sq.kms of Ladakh, more or less.

 
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When you force upon minority over majority, end result is civil war, provided a foreign country chip in with trained militias and weapons.
If we look at today's Pakistan, all ingredients are available or may i say has been engineered, where Imran Khan has the task for the eventual torching.
He has already succeeded in lead economic blow to Pakistan, where the domino is on the move and there's no solution out of it. (please save me from the rhetoric rich people are not paying taxes.. it's another debate)
How dynamics would eventually workout is another thing but i would consider it a tipping point, when i see big rats leaving the ship.
BTW a country where politicians micro manage the state institutions is a mere banana republic. Many examples from past 3 years can be pointed at, but we all have seen the example of by elections, where public was making videos of corruption of state organs, which is exact opposite to how state must function.

🙏🏻With a request to remain on the topic.
Could we discuss the aftermath of the 1971 war ?
How our diplomats fought at the UN ?

Would like to know your views on the following UN documents.


https://search.archives.un.org/uplo...a72f98838d6796f88667/S-0900-0006-07-00001.pdf
 
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Yes right, add to this the recent loss of more area at Galvan, Pangong of around 1000 sq.kms of Ladakh, more or less.


Previous, the disputed area's was patrolling by both armies but now, it became no man's land.... thats only the difference in last 1 year.

So as per india sides, few people can claim that India lost to china since indian army will not able to patrol. And the same, Chinese side can say that lost or won.

Bu, No man's land means - no one is winner or looser..
 
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Not sure what do u mean by claim¿

It is a open fact and truth that India was manage to control 65% of jammu and kashmir against Pakistan in 1947.

And lost to China only in 1962... (20% of jammu and kashmir)

UNSURE, what are you trying to say and claim¿




Firstly, there is no cross referencing or source confirmation in the above article and secondly there is no specific mention of india having annexed 65% of Kashmir in 1947. There is a brief mention of China having annexed 38,000 square kms of indian territory. Thus this article is not credible.
 
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India has less than 50% of Kashmir territory, around 45% of Kashmir if Pak side and China controlled Kashmir is measured.

Why??? No logic. This is something called filter/customizations to showcase good results.

I was replying on 1947 war, I will stand on my words that India was able to control approx. 60-65% against Pakistan. But lost to china in 1962 (approx. - 20-22%)

Now at present, Jammu and Kashmir is divided between India (approx 45 %), China (Approx 30) and Pakistan (Approx 35%).

Reminder : Topic of the thread : The aftermath of 1971

Questions :
1. Why didn't India take back the 35% Kashmir ( held by Pakistan) in 1971 ?

2.Why didn't India take back the 35% Kashmir ( held by Pakistan) in 1986 ( Siachen Conflict) ?

3. Why didn't India take back the 35% Kashmir ( held by Pakistan) in 1999 during the Kargil war ?

4. Why didn't India take back the 35% Kashmir ( held by Pakistan) in 2019 ( post-Phulwama attack ) ?

5. When is it forecast that India will take back 35% of Kashmir held by Pakistan?
 
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