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How the Taliban won - It will be passed down for generations, all the lost limbs and the money lost

Don’t be emotional, and look at wars through the bigger picture of diplomacy.

What did Taliban achieve pre and post war? More land, yes, but in the larger realm of things, they are isolated, most of the world refuses to see them as civilized, and they are a headache for their neighbors.

The US just walked off the country after getting tired and probably stopped the outflow of $ into a bottomless pit. Most importantly, to focus elsewhere.
Taliban victory will be good for Afghanistan and CA in the long run. Previous regime did nothing for local or regional economic development. Their economy was based on skimming foreign aid and military spending.

Uzbek minister was recently talking about a Trans-Afghan railway link between Peshawar and Uzbekistan.....he publicly stated that the previous regime had no real interest in making it happen but Taliban has shown a lot of interest. Same with gas pipeline to Turkmenistan.
 
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Don’t be emotional, and look at wars through the bigger picture of diplomacy.

What did Taliban achieve pre and post war? More land, yes, but in the larger realm of things, they are isolated, most of the world refuses to see them as civilized, and they are a headache for their neighbors.

The US just walked off the country after getting tired and probably stopped the outflow of $ into a bottomless pit. Most importantly, to focus elsewhere.
Despite all the obvious disadvantages and isolation, their per capita GDP is 50% of Pakistan's, I would have expected it to be more on the order of 5% if we are so much better then them...

Petrol is cheaper, their currency is stronger and commodities are also much cheaper than in Pakistan.
 
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USA just didn't want to spend anymore and left. Punishment for 9/11 had long been meted so actually US shoukd have left much earlier.
 
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I love Afghans. Had a couple of them as my coursemates. Tough as nails those buggers were and loyal to the death in a fight. One of my Afghan friends (we met in Turkey) is a famous You Tuber. Pathan Bhai. Some of you guys might know of him. A patriot and loves India as we love Afghanistan.
Actions speak louder words. Hamdullah Mohib went to New Delhi to plead for India to send military forces to Afghanistan after the USA announced their withdrawal. India showed no love or loyalty to the death for the Hindutva Afghan regime and refused. :lol:
 
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Taliban victory will be good for Afghanistan and CA in the long run. Previous regime did nothing for local or regional economic development. Their economy was based on skimming foreign aid and military spending.

Uzbek minister was recently talking about a Trans-Afghan railway link between Peshawar and Uzbekistan.....he publicly stated that the previous regime had no real interest in making it happen but Taliban has shown a lot of interest. Same with gas pipeline to Turkmenistan.
Thought along the same lines.

Taliban winning is a short term success for Pakistan. But do you think Taliban will change themselves to fit into the real world or go about being a band of wild animals enforcing their tribal laws onto their people. Looks like they won’t.

Afghanistan will remain more or less an extremist, non friendly to investors society under Taliban. Hence any major investment is out of the question.

Over the long run Taliban are a net negative for Pakistan.

Despite all the obvious disadvantages and isolation, their per capita GDP is 50% of Pakistan's, I would have expected it to be more on the order of 5% if we are so much better then them...

Petrol is cheaper, their currency is stronger and commodities are also much cheaper than in Pakistan.
Afghan Transit Trade and the misuse that comes with it.
 
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Jokes on us Pakistanis:
Even after eternal war and lost limbs, a country with a GDP less than 10% of Pakistan exports us >50% of what we export to them.

Shukriya kis ka karna hai?


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Taliban victory in Afghanistan has given TTP/ISIS/Al Qaeda a new life line, and the region and Pakistan will suffer for it. Not sure why Pakistanis are/were cheering Taliban victory. It's another in a long line of strategic failures by our grand "strategists" sitting in GHQ.

Nearly 9 out of 10 of the major decisions taken by our establishment have always back fired, and it has always been the common Pakistanis who suffer whilst they get metaphorically air lifted in to cushy positions/lifestyles in West/GCC.
 
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How the Taliban won - It will be passed down for generations, all the lost limbs and the money lost

On Tuesday 5 October, AIIA NSW welcomed Professor Theo Farrell, a leading academic on the war in Afghanistan from the University of Wollongong, to speak about the factors that led to the Taliban’s ‘spectacular’ victory over Afghan forces.

Having been involved in direct talks with the Taliban through his previous work as an advisor to the International Security Assistance Force Command in Kabul, Professor Farrell offered a unique perspective on the war in Afghanistan and the way in which the Taliban operate.

Professor Farrell opened by providing some insights into the context of both the war in Afghanistan and the Taliban. When comparing the forces on paper, Professor Farrell explained that the success of the Taliban presented somewhat of a ‘puzzle’ as Afghanistan had a security force that was very well equipped, due to significant US funding, and 300,000 strong. Waged against them was a Taliban insurgency a fraction of this size, of somewhere between 40,000 to 60,000 soldiers.

In his analysis of the Taliban victory, Professor Farrell provided four core sources of success.

The first was the Doha Agreement reached between US and Taliban, which involved withdrawal of all foreign forces from Afghanistan with the aim of bringing peace to the country. Importantly, the agreement required the US air strikes to stop. These air strikes previously formed an essential element of the Afghan government’s defence as they could be leveraged to counter Taliban attempts to overrun Afghan army or police posts. The Taliban were able to take advantage of the absence of US air strikes to engage in military operations below the threshold that would trigger a breach of the Doha agreement. In doing so, the Taliban were successful in slowly seizing ground.

The second source of Taliban victory was the fragility of Afghan National Security Forces (ANSF). The Afghan contingent was poorly trained and led, made up of largely illiterate recruits who didn’t show a commitment to fighting or following the direction of officers.

The third source of victory was the corruption embedded at the leadership level of the ANSF: officers would undertake activities such as routinely diverting supplies to sell for profit and creating fake recruits to sign off salaries.

Finally, the Afghan Commandos, its US-trained special forces, which constituted a mere 7% of the ANSF, were doing 80% of the fighting. Exhausted from the relentless struggle with the Taliban and unable to call upon US air strikes, their morale collapsed.

The deeply contested and corrupt election of Ashraf Ghani as President in 2014 led to a disparate approach towards the Taliban which exacerbated the issues in the ANSF. In particular, Ghani largely ran the war from the presidential palace, the Arg, where he refused to listen to the advice of the US and failed to replace the incompetent Minister of Defence until too late, which led to inept planning and poor timing. Additionally, Ghani had disempowered the highly powerful regional warlords and only realised in July 2021 that he could leverage their large militia forces as a final line of defence. By that time it was too late.

The failures of the ANSF and the political leadership were met with a strong Taliban campaign. The Taliban’s speedy victory in August followed their campaign from 2020 of gaining ground in districts as well as strategic areas such as border crossings and highways.

By May 2021, the Taliban started gaining more districts around cities which allowed them to capture those cities very quickly. Professor Farrell also highlighted the utility of the Taliban’s social media campaign which was used to demonstrate their momentum and to spread the message to Afghan soldiers that ‘if you didn’t fight, they’d spare you and if you did, they’d kill you’. On 14 August, the Taliban reached Kabul which led Ghani to flee and the ANSF to ‘melt like ice’.

Professor Farrell ended his formal address with a discussion of the future of Afghanistan in which he expressed his concern that the nation is ‘barrelling towards a humanitarian crisis’. This in large part is due to a perfect storm of food insecurity, COVID, a liquidity crisis and a Taliban government that is ill equipped to deal with these pressures, having had no experience in leading a state.

A vibrant Q&A session followed Professor Farrell’s address. Asked whether the Taliban’s stance towards women had changed, Professor Farrell predicted that they won’t be more moderate this time around due to their fundamental belief that protecting women’s ‘virtue’ equates to protecting women’s rights.

Asked how China will take advantage of the vacuum left by US and Western hesitancy, Professor Farrell responded by discussing China’s two interests in Afghanistan: working with the Taliban to ensure they don’t operate terrorist groups to export to China through their shared border; and obtaining minerals from Afghanistan, perhaps through a Belt-and-Road type system.



Report by Alexandra Russell Brown, AIIA NSW Intern

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Afghan Taliban's 20 year war is won.

That USA was arrogant.
1. Note how he failed to mention the 100s of 1000s of nato troops and trillions of dollars that disappeared.

2. Note how he failed to mention that aside from nukes the west uses just about anything such as MOAB.
3. Note how he failed to mention how the US airforce routinely bombed civilians including wedding and hospital.
4. This turned the population against the invaders.
5. Taliban knew the west didn't have the stomach for casualties and the war was highly unpopular and bogging the west down and killing them with a thousand cuts was the best way forward

This professor is an idiot.
 
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How the Taliban won - It will be passed down for generations, all the lost limbs and the money lost

On Tuesday 5 October, AIIA NSW welcomed Professor Theo Farrell, a leading academic on the war in Afghanistan from the University of Wollongong, to speak about the factors that led to the Taliban’s ‘spectacular’ victory over Afghan forces.

Having been involved in direct talks with the Taliban through his previous work as an advisor to the International Security Assistance Force Command in Kabul, Professor Farrell offered a unique perspective on the war in Afghanistan and the way in which the Taliban operate.

Professor Farrell opened by providing some insights into the context of both the war in Afghanistan and the Taliban. When comparing the forces on paper, Professor Farrell explained that the success of the Taliban presented somewhat of a ‘puzzle’ as Afghanistan had a security force that was very well equipped, due to significant US funding, and 300,000 strong. Waged against them was a Taliban insurgency a fraction of this size, of somewhere between 40,000 to 60,000 soldiers.

In his analysis of the Taliban victory, Professor Farrell provided four core sources of success.

The first was the Doha Agreement reached between US and Taliban, which involved withdrawal of all foreign forces from Afghanistan with the aim of bringing peace to the country. Importantly, the agreement required the US air strikes to stop. These air strikes previously formed an essential element of the Afghan government’s defence as they could be leveraged to counter Taliban attempts to overrun Afghan army or police posts. The Taliban were able to take advantage of the absence of US air strikes to engage in military operations below the threshold that would trigger a breach of the Doha agreement. In doing so, the Taliban were successful in slowly seizing ground.

The second source of Taliban victory was the fragility of Afghan National Security Forces (ANSF). The Afghan contingent was poorly trained and led, made up of largely illiterate recruits who didn’t show a commitment to fighting or following the direction of officers.

The third source of victory was the corruption embedded at the leadership level of the ANSF: officers would undertake activities such as routinely diverting supplies to sell for profit and creating fake recruits to sign off salaries.

Finally, the Afghan Commandos, its US-trained special forces, which constituted a mere 7% of the ANSF, were doing 80% of the fighting. Exhausted from the relentless struggle with the Taliban and unable to call upon US air strikes, their morale collapsed.

The deeply contested and corrupt election of Ashraf Ghani as President in 2014 led to a disparate approach towards the Taliban which exacerbated the issues in the ANSF. In particular, Ghani largely ran the war from the presidential palace, the Arg, where he refused to listen to the advice of the US and failed to replace the incompetent Minister of Defence until too late, which led to inept planning and poor timing. Additionally, Ghani had disempowered the highly powerful regional warlords and only realised in July 2021 that he could leverage their large militia forces as a final line of defence. By that time it was too late.

The failures of the ANSF and the political leadership were met with a strong Taliban campaign. The Taliban’s speedy victory in August followed their campaign from 2020 of gaining ground in districts as well as strategic areas such as border crossings and highways.

By May 2021, the Taliban started gaining more districts around cities which allowed them to capture those cities very quickly. Professor Farrell also highlighted the utility of the Taliban’s social media campaign which was used to demonstrate their momentum and to spread the message to Afghan soldiers that ‘if you didn’t fight, they’d spare you and if you did, they’d kill you’. On 14 August, the Taliban reached Kabul which led Ghani to flee and the ANSF to ‘melt like ice’.

Professor Farrell ended his formal address with a discussion of the future of Afghanistan in which he expressed his concern that the nation is ‘barrelling towards a humanitarian crisis’. This in large part is due to a perfect storm of food insecurity, COVID, a liquidity crisis and a Taliban government that is ill equipped to deal with these pressures, having had no experience in leading a state.

A vibrant Q&A session followed Professor Farrell’s address. Asked whether the Taliban’s stance towards women had changed, Professor Farrell predicted that they won’t be more moderate this time around due to their fundamental belief that protecting women’s ‘virtue’ equates to protecting women’s rights.

Asked how China will take advantage of the vacuum left by US and Western hesitancy, Professor Farrell responded by discussing China’s two interests in Afghanistan: working with the Taliban to ensure they don’t operate terrorist groups to export to China through their shared border; and obtaining minerals from Afghanistan, perhaps through a Belt-and-Road type system.



Report by Alexandra Russell Brown, AIIA NSW Intern

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Afghan Taliban's 20 year war is won.

That USA was arrogant.
Why do u think it's strange considered how Vietcong defeated the better equipped south Vietnamese forces...

The biggest reason for afghan forces defeat is corruption and contempt for ordinary afghan. Right from top to bottom, the afghan government is rotten to core. The afghan military never think about how to defeat Taliban. Their only aim is to milk as much as possible from the USA.
 
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Sure, but did the US really lose? I mean they got OBL, got the top 20 terrorist, achieved their aim even though ended up staying a lot longer than they should have. If anything the taliban dont dare to put up with isis or those who want to attack american homeland while pakys are not so lucky. America realized that you have to whip cavemen into submission. Thats only language they learn.

And afghanistan won? How so?

Look at the conditions of afghan people today, the country is in rubles, women cannot go to school, violence is theough the roof, and ran by a bunch of illiterate caveman. Dont know if that really is a victory 🤣
 
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They are soldiers who have done right by their assigned duties. Hence the smiles. And the honor their grateful nation gives them.



So when is that going to happen? :D
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