How should Pakistanis view the Mughals?

[M. Sarmad]

Astagfirullah, Bayazid Ansari May Allah's curse be upon him writes in his personal works of his apostasy against Islamic rulings, a warrior "Sufi" who fought against Mughals to protect his cult until he was nabbed and executed.

Examples.

Rejecting the concept of angels:
"Angels are not the servants of God, but rather a product of human imagination."

Rejecting the idea of predestination:
"Human beings have the power to shape their own destinies, and are not bound by predetermined fate."

Advocating for the use of music and dance in worship:
"Let us sing and dance in praise of the Almighty, for this is the true path to spiritual enlightenment."

For your own good, stop following braindead Mullahs blindly and doing takfeer on Sufis (or anyone else for that matter)

 

[Great Janjua]

For your own good, stop following braindead Mullahs blindly and doing takfeer on Sufis (or anyone else for that matter)

I just quoted you stuff from his Personal works including his book Khumeri. He was a cult and so was his Roshaniya movement tomorrow you will say Mirza Ahmad of Qadian was a Sufi yh right bozo.

 

[M. Sarmad]

I just quoted you stuff from his Personal works including his book Khumeri. He was a cult and so was his Roshaniya movement

As I said, it's for your own good ... Otherwise, I have no interest in educating Madrassah-bred takfiri morons ... You are free to follow whichever Mullah you want

 

[Great Janjua]

As I said, it's for your own good ... Otherwise, I have no interest in educating Madrassah-bred takfiri morons ... You are free to follow whichever Mullah you want

YH Right you flipping cult follower

 

[Maira La]

And Hindu India would not have 350 million Muslims

You are neither Hindu nor India, stop stealing other people's identities. Real Hind (West Punjab + Sindh) is 99% Muslim. Now cry us a river.

 

[M. Sarmad]

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YH Right you flipping cult follower

I do not expect a Madrassah-bred Takfiri moron like yourself to understand what Sufism/wahdat ul wajud actually is.. You are free to believe in whatever you want

 

[Menace2Society]

Pakistan should ask for reparations from Afghanistan and Saudi Arabia. If not they should invade them both, plunder them and make their women into sex slaves.

Atleast the British built the railways, army, governance and facilitated in the creation of Pakistan.

 

[Great Janjua]

I do not expect a Madrassah-bred Takfiri moron like yourself to understand what Sufism/wahdat ul wajud actually is.. You are free to believe in whatever you want

Cult leader Pir Roshan cursed is he the infidel who spread apostasy and kufar on the land of Pakhtunkuwa he didn't even deny it the cultist in his own work. What a kafir he was your just his little follower.

 

[iamnobody]

You are neither Hindu nor India, stop stealing other people's identities. Real Hind (West Punjab + Sindh) is 99% Muslim. Now cry us a river.

I thought Pakistanis were descendants of Arabs, Moghuls, Persians and Turks.

I am glad that Pakistanis are claiming to be Hindus these days.

 

[Aijaz Kolachi]

Qasim is considered a invader by Sindhi ethnic nationalist who clearly have no grasp of history what really occurred at that time Muhammad Bin Qasim and his invasion was justified if you look at it from a historical viewpoint and not with your ethnic nationalistic lens.

I don't think any foreigner has right to decide who our national hero or villain is.

 

[M. Sarmad]

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Cult leader Pir Roshan cursed is he the infidel who spread apostasy and kufar on the land of Pakhtunkuwa he didn't even deny it the cultist in his own work. What a kafir he was your just his little follower.

Posting the same images over and over again (that too without any context) won't prove you right

Had you actually read Pir Roshan's Khair ul Bayan, you would have known that it contains praise of God Almighty, pray for riddance from sins, seeking virtues, desire for the right path, constant remembering death; the torment of the life after death, accountability of the Day of Resurrection and a fear of the torment of Hell (Ansari, 1967, pp10-22). The book also has a discourse about the fundamentals of Islam such as Kalma-e Shahadat (statement validating entry into the fold of Islam), Salaat ( offering five times obligatory prayer), Fasting in the month of Ramazan, Zakat ( Poor Tax), Haj ( pilgrimage) and a description of mandatory and non-mandatory rituals (Ansari, 1967, pp-81-102). It is a detailed account of the Quranic injunctions about human conduct, faithfulness, knowledge, mysticism and purified life.

Now as you call him kafir, either he is (his writings prove otherwise) or you yourself are (as per a hadith). You need to be careful. As for the centuries-old Wahdat ul wajud vs Wahdat ul shahood debate, it's clearly beyond your intellectual capacity

Peace

 

[Great Janjua]

I thought Pakistanis were descendants of Arabs, Moghuls, Persians and Turks.

I am glad that Pakistanis are claiming to be Hindus these days.

Most Pakistanis were not Hindus it was hot bed of Buddhism, Jainism, Zoroastrianism and Hinduism.

 

[iamnobody]

Most Pakistanis were not Hindus it was hot bed of Buddhism, Jainism, Zoroastrianism and Hinduism.

Ok.

The tolerant Sufis adopted many practices of Hinduism, Buddhism and Zoroastrianism.

Jai ho Baba Bulleh Shah

 

[Great Janjua]

Posting the same images over and over again (that too without any context) won't prove you right

Had you actually read Pir Roshan's Khair ul Bayan, you would have known that it contains praise of God Almighty, pray for riddance from sins, seeking virtues, desire for the right path, constant remembering death; the torment of the life after death, accountability of the Day of Resurrection and a fear of the torment of Hell (Ansari, 1967, pp10-22). The book also has a discourse about the fundamentals of Islam such as Kalma-e Shahadat (statement validating entry into the fold of Islam), Salaat ( offering five times obligatory prayer), Fasting in the month of Ramazan, Zakat ( Poor Tax), Haj ( pilgrimage) and a description of mandatory and non-mandatory rituals (Ansari, 1967, pp-81-102). It is a detailed account of the Quranic injunctions about human conduct, faithfulness, knowledge, mysticism and purified life.

Now as you call him kafir, either he is (his writings prove otherwise) or you yourself are (as per a hadith). You need to be careful
As for the centuries-old Wahdat ul wajud vs Wahdat ul shahood debate, it's clearly beyond your intellectual capacity

Peace

Don't try to push his teaching under the rug on the basis of Wahdat ul Wajud Pir Roshan in personal work justifies the denial of the Prophet Muhammad PBUH, He calls himself the Mahdi, He says it is just to kill the infidel Muslims. Wahdat Ul Wajud goes out the window the minute he declares himself the Mahdi and Prophet. It goes against the very teachings of the Quran.

I don't think any foreigner has right to decide who our national hero or villain is.

Don't blabber crap come up with some proof idiot it will do you no good for random one liners.

Posting the same images over and over again (that too without any context) won't prove you right

Had you actually read Pir Roshan's Khair ul Bayan, you would have known that it contains praise of God Almighty, pray for riddance from sins, seeking virtues, desire for the right path, constant remembering death; the torment of the life after death, accountability of the Day of Resurrection and a fear of the torment of Hell (Ansari, 1967, pp10-22). The book also has a discourse about the fundamentals of Islam such as Kalma-e Shahadat (statement validating entry into the fold of Islam), Salaat ( offering five times obligatory prayer), Fasting in the month of Ramazan, Zakat ( Poor Tax), Haj ( pilgrimage) and a description of mandatory and non-mandatory rituals (Ansari, 1967, pp-81-102). It is a detailed account of the Quranic injunctions about human conduct, faithfulness, knowledge, mysticism and purified life.

Now as you call him kafir, either he is (his writings prove otherwise) or you yourself are (as per a hadith). You need to be careful. As for the centuries-old Wahdat ul wajud vs Wahdat ul shahood debate, it's clearly beyond your intellectual capacity

Peace

Not mention Pashtuns themselves are not sure on whom the work of Khair Ul Bayan can be attributed too. If you can read Pashto have a look at this I'll translate if your illiterate.

 

[M. Sarmad]

Don't try to push his teaching under the rug on the basis of Wahdat ul Wajud Pir Roshan in personal work justifies the denial of the Prophet Muhammad PBUH, He calls himself the Mahdi, He says it is just to kill the infidel Muslims. Wahdat Ul Wajud goes out the window the minute he declares himself the Mahdi and Prophet. It goes against the very teachings of the Quran.

He was asked by the Mughal governor of Kabul (Bayazid's friend at that time) if he claimed to be the prophet or Mehdi, Pir Roshan replied in the negative and explained it to him what he actually meant. This episode has been recorded in a few history accounts. Let me see if I can find one and post it here for you