How racist are you ?

[praveen]

Me a racist no ,casteist yes hailing from the kamma community from andhra had a huge ego and was responsible for a lot of brawls in collage.soon after surviving a terrorist attack in 2006 in hyderabad and after seeing the carnage and the 26\11 had a change in perceptions and tried to divert the energy for more positive purposes

 

[vsdoc]

Dear doc. Pet subject of yours or not - some line breaks would be nice - with all due respect.

I chugged through your one big paragraph to basically get the impression that you are a believer in the supposedly status-neutral, non-judgmental, non-hegemonic concept of "racialism".

Why don't you just come out and say that in so many words? If I got the wrong impression, then please correct by all means.

Sorry buddy, my mistake. I tend to get carried away where my fingers struggle to keep up with my thoughts sometimes. If you thought this was a big para, you should see some of my sentences sometime! LOL

Anyways, racist/racialist etc. are just words.

My point is I am proud of my racial heritage. Along with some Nordic countries, surviving Zoroastrians (who did not convert to Islam and preferred to leave their land instead) are probably the closest you would get to the pure Aryan race as possible, thanks in part to not marrying outside the community and not converting ..... for over 5000 years.

There is a huge genome project underway currently funded by a number of global Zoroastrian trusts which is studying this very fact and some brilliant data is coming out.

Its a point of serious debate amongst the old and the youth of our community all over the world (Zoroastrian Youth Association - ZYA - holds annual Congresses for our youth in different cities of the world every year - with crazy heated debates!) whether we should finally allow inter-religion/race marriages and induction into the religion (through the Navjote thread ceremony) of such inter-religion/race progeny to ensure the survival of our religion and freshen the highly in-bred gene pool. But I digress here .....

The point is my being proud of my race and seeing it as an identifier/identity (in addition to my primary Indian one) in an increasingly heterogeneous world (the concept of origins/roots of a people) IN NO WAY harms anyone else, or subjugates them by thought, word, or deed as propounded in our holy book, the Khordeh Avesta (Humata Hukata Hvrashta).

If that is what you mean by calling me a racialist as opposed to a racist, then yes I agree to being one ..... unapologetically, unabashedly!

Cheers, Doc

 

[praveen]

Sorry buddy, my mistake. I tend to get carried away where my fingers struggle to keep up with my thoughts sometimes. If you thought this was a big para, you should see some of my sentences sometime! LOL

Anyways, racist/racialist etc. are just words.

My point is I am proud of my racial heritage. Along with some Nordic countries, surviving Zoroastrians (who did not convert to Islam and preferred to leave their land instead) are probably the closest you would get to the pure Aryan race as possible, thanks in part to not marrying outside the community and not converting ..... for over 5000 years.

There is a huge genome project underway currently funded by a number of global Zoroastrian trusts which is studying this very fact and some brilliant data is coming out.

Its a point of serious debate amongst the old and the youth of our community all over the world (Zoroastrian Youth Association - ZYA - holds annual Congresses for our youth in different cities of the world every year - with crazy heated debates!) whether we should finally allow inter-religion/race marriages and induction into the religion (through the Navjote thread ceremony) of such inter-religion/race progeny to ensure the survival of our religion and freshen the highly in-bred gene pool. But I digress here .....

The point is my being proud of my race and seeing it as an identifier/identity (in addition to my primary Indian one) in an increasingly heterogeneous world (the concept of origins/roots of a people) IN NO WAY harms anyone else, or subjugates them by thought, word, or deed as propounded in our holy book, the Khordeh Avesta (Humata Hukata Hvrashta).

If that is what you mean by calling me a racialist as opposed to a racist, then yes I agree to being one ..... unapologetically, unabashedly!

Cheers, Doc

sir in Poona ,how will the iranians respond to you if they know you are a Parsi.Regarding endogamous marriages I heard many parsis are being discouraged to go for it

 

[oceanx]

If that is what you mean by calling me a racialist as opposed to a racist, then yes I agree to being one ..... unapologetically, unabashedly!

Cheers, Doc

Hey don't get me wrong, doc - no one asked you to "apologize" for being proud of your distinct heritage. I know a couple of "Mehtas" and "Jeejeebhoys" around here.

Count me as a fan of the Parsi

 

[vsdoc]

@ Praveen

The Iranis in Poona are guests in my country. Their response one way or the other to me is not really high up in my list of daily concerns.

That said, I used to have some Irani friends in my college days. We AFMCites also used to have something of a love-hate relationship with them (we called them AKHAMAALS as a parody of their dialect which would sound something like this, said as if you were trying to hawk a particularly nasty and tenacious glob of phlegm from your throat).

We would hang around and party at JAWS (Poona's oldest burger joint ..... now sold to a builder and a khandahar due to legal tussles ) as well as get into some huge punch-ups over illegal "underground" night bike races with them and their mint RD 350s! he he he

The Irani Zoroastrians who came to India and settled in places like Poona (they are famous for their bakeries - Shrewsburry biscuits, batasas, etc. - Kayani and Royal, etc.) came much more recently (last 2-300 years as against the Parsees who landed here almost 1300 years ago) speak the same guttural dialect and we lovingly call them Irani Khacchars (mules) for their rough and coarse mannerisms .

Cheers, Doc

 

[praveen]

The Iranis in Poona are guests in my country. Their response one way or the other to me is not really high up in my list of daily concerns.

That said, I used to have some Irani friends in my college days. We AFMCites also used to have something of a love-hate relationship with them (we called them AKHAMAALS as a parody of their dialect which would sound something like this, said as if you were trying to hawk a particularly nasty and tenacious glob of phlegm from your throat).

We would hang around and party at JAWS (Poona's oldest burger joint ..... now sold to a builder and a khandahar due to legal tussles ) as well as get into some huge punch-ups over illegal "underground" night bike races with them and their mint RD 350s! he he he

The Irani Zoroastrians who came to India and settled in places like Poona (they are famous for their bakeries - Shrewsburry biscuits, batasas, etc. - Kayani and Royal, etc.) came much more recently (last 2-300 years as against the Parsees who landed here almost 1300 years ago) speak the same guttural dialect and we lovingly call them Irani Khacchars (mules) for their rough and coarse mannerisms .

Cheers, Doc

Iranians are idiots sir in the sense they lost the Parsi community.India is lucky in that sense they taught Philantrophy and modern capitalism to the Indian enterpreneurs.Many of the indian institutions were st by parsis first

 

[vsdoc]

Iranians are idiots sir in the sense they lost the Parsi community.India is lucky in that sense they taught Philantrophy and modern capitalism to the Indian enterpreneurs.Many of the indian institutions were st by parsis first

Thanks buddy (though it was not the Iranis in the truest sense of the word who were the "idiots" ..... in fact except for the religion (at the ends of a sword), Persia/Iran historically never accepted the influence of Arab invaders and except for some hardline Islamic elements in modern Iran, till today there are practicing Zoroastrians there ..... as are our ancient Fire Temples and symbols of our religion ..... as are our shared customs and fables and festivals like Navroze)

And as for philantropy and ethical capitalism of Parsees in India, from what I have been reading up about the relatively smaller community in Pakistan (some 20,000 odd), its the same (albeit to a smaller extent) in Pakistan too ....

Cheers, Doc

 

[oceanx]

The point is my being proud of my race and seeing it as an identifier/identity (in addition to my primary Indian one) in an increasingly heterogeneous world (the concept of origins/roots of a people) IN NO WAY harms anyone else, or subjugates them by thought, word, or deed as propounded in our holy book, the Khordeh Avesta (Humata Hukata Hvrashta).

Hey doc. I didn't have time to read through your whole reply last night. But is your "Khordeh Avesta" basically the other "edition" of the Rig Veda of the original "Aryans" who swept through the sub-continent?

And BTW, are you saying you are not a Parsi but somehow a more "orthodox" Zoroastrian? Pls educate.

I am always trying to learn something when I can - if you don't mind.

Thx.

 

[vsdoc]

Hey doc. I didn't have time to read through your whole reply last night. But is your "Khordeh Avesta" basically the other "edition" of the Rig Veda of the original "Aryans" who swept through the sub-continent?

Very controversial subject, debated to death by scholars infinitely more informed about the nuances than I am buddy ..... with strong arguments for and against.

Tried Googling, but was swamped by the information overload, so suffice to say that somewhere around that time 5000 years ago, there was a migration of 2 arms - one towards India and the other towards Europe.

That the Aryans originated from Persia, of that there is no doubt, as there is none about Zoroastrianism being the oldest known religion of mankind and as such the Khordeh Avesta the oldest religious book (and not "the other edition"), though many Hindus would like to claim joint status for that podium, in which case the above claim is often modified to "world's oldest monotheistic religion".

And BTW, are you saying you are not a Parsi but somehow a more "orthodox" Zoroastrian? Pls educate.

Not at all ..... which part of my post/s came across as that? I am a Parsi (as against a Zoroastrian Irani), and an Athravan (as against a Behdin).

There is only one form of Zorastrianism ..... no liberal and orthodox. Yes, there are Zoroastrians who are ultra orthodox in the way they approach the religion (mainly from our grandparents' generation), while most of my generation and later are not. Therein lie the heated generational debates I was referring to earlier wrt issues concerning the survival of our community, which today is close to being on "endangered species" list.

In a nutshell, young Parsis are not marrying and procreating enough ...... some major "communal Viagra" is needed! Which is why we've had 3 of our own .

Cheers, Doc

 

[praveen]

Hey doc. I didn't have time to read through your whole reply last night. But is your "Khordeh Avesta" basically the other "edition" of the Rig Veda of the original "Aryans" who swept through the sub-continent?

And BTW, are you saying you are not a Parsi but somehow a more "orthodox" Zoroastrian? Pls educate.

I am always trying to learn something when I can - if you don't mind.

Thx.

Very controversial when you enter into this debate.India is a genetic cocktail and the parameters variations (physical\Behavioral) vary from (region\religion\caste\terrain\ethinicity).You can virtually debate from any stance you want