How people perceive and think about ties with India

[Al-zakir]

Man!! Bharatis are so desperate to liked by neighboring nations. Must be lonely and sad in the neighborhood.....

 

[BanglaBhoot]

Actually I am trying to get more information on this Research and Development Centre which conducted the survey. The second post on this thread indicates the questions I am interested to find answered.

 

[Al-zakir]

Actually I am trying to get more information on this Research and Development Centre which conducted the survey. The second post on this thread indicates the questions I am interested to find answered.

What's your personal assessment on this survey????

 

[Mirza Jatt]

Man!! Bharatis are so desperate to liked by neighboring nations.

what sentnce of any of the Indian members make you think that they are desperate to be liked by BD ?? thankfully they are not BD haters.

as for me..give me an articlt saying that the BD people hate Indians , I'll most happily belive that as well..as i said nothings gonna change for us wether you lik or not..your country mmber started a thread..I am up for it..you start another ..i'll belive you that Bd people hate Indians...

Ok in simple words yes i am desirous of my nation being liked by it neighbour..and that includes bangladesh.If you dont like India , its your wish..you are not being forced for that...nothing is gonna change.

Must be lonely and sad in the neighborhood.....

cheer up mate....be jealous ,but atleast be honest to yourself..may the people of BD live happily..

 

[BanglaBhoot]

I know that RDC is run by an American very close to Washington power centres. I also know that the survey could not be accurate so what is the objective of all this? The Independent comment that only a 'thin majority' in the survey had a friendly disposition to India is also misleading - 45% against 35% is not a thin majority.

 

[SMC]

Better read this first and then woot.

Orangi Township is Asia's largest slum: UNDP | PK on web

Dharavi not Asia's largest slum: Report

You gotta be kidding me.

Orangi would be considered a lower-middle class town in India if we're to use Dhravi as a standard slum. Or if we were to use Orangi as a standard slum then Dhravi would be bigger.

 

[KS]

You gotta be kidding me.

Orangi would be considered a lower-middle class town in India if we're to use Dhravi as a standard slum. Or if we were to use Orangi as a standard slum then Dhravi would be bigger.

C'mon is this all u got..? Y dont u accept the truth that Orangi has overtaken Dharavi as the largest slum in Asia.
Btw the research was by UNDP - United Nations Development Programme not some Indian source.

Nd take a look into this..this was wen Dharavi was considerd as the largest slum back in 2005:

Asia's Largest Slum Is An Economic Powerhouse | Planetizen

 

[SMC]

That's a lame argument. I should accept what you're saying because it's 'the truth'? Or perhaps a better way to put it - its your version of the truth. And that is what it is - your version of the truth - and as such your whole first sentence falls away.

Why don't you go to both Dhravi and Orangi and see for yourself. I don't care whether Dhravi is an economic powerhouse or whether UNDP does the research. If living conditions in Orangi are used as the benchmark for slums then Dhravi is the toilet bowl of Orangi. And if living conditions in Dhravi are used as the benchmark for slums then Orangi is a lower-middle class town.

I don't think you're realizing that the two are a bad comparison. It's like comparing poverty rates in two country, except in one place poverty is defined as $3 per day (analogous to Orangi) and in one place it's defined as 50 cents a day (analogous to Dhravi).

 

[KS]

That's a lame argument. I should accept what you're saying because it's 'the truth'? Or perhaps a better way to put it - its your version of the truth. And that is what it is - your version of the truth - and as such your whole first sentence falls away.

No mate..wat ur saying is only lame.
This is not my version of truth..its the UNDP's version and UNDP is a United Nations branch.
and UNDP has a fixed set of parameters for categorizinf a neighborhood as a slum.
So nowadays u guys dont accept the united Nations huh....??

Why don't you go to both Dhravi and Orangi and see for yourself. I don't care whether Dhravi is an economic powerhouse or whether UNDP does the research. If living conditions in Orangi are used as the benchmark for slums then Dhravi is the toilet bowl of Orangi. And if living conditions in Dhravi are used as the benchmark for slums then Orangi is a lower-middle class town.

I don't think you're realizing that the two are a bad comparison. It's like comparing poverty rates in two country, except in one place poverty is defined as $3 per day (analogous to Orangi) and in one place it's defined as 50 cents a day (analogous to Dhravi).

I gave u links for all the claims i made.And i expect the same courtesy from u..
W/o links/proof this is just worthless and i ll take it as just a face-saving coverup .

 

[SMC]

Dude you're not understand what I am saying. It's typical for indians to simplify things for self-glorification. I am talking about the living conditions in both the places.

You call this face saving, I call what you're doing face saving. i.e., well our Dhravi might be the toilet bowl of your slum but at least your slum is bigger.

 

[KS]

Dude you're not understand what I am saying. It's typical for indians to simplify things for self-glorification. I am talking about the living conditions in both the places.

You call this face saving, I call what you're doing face saving. i.e., well our Dhravi might be the toilet bowl of your slum but at least your slum is bigger.

Wat big thing did i ask from u..?
I just asked links for substaniating all that u claimed like 50 cents,3 $,
Orangi is a township etc etc..?

Is that too much for u to provide ?

 

[SMC]

Well, here goes your link up in flames.

Karachi’s Orangi beats Slumdog Millionaire’s Dharavi in Mumbai as Asia’s largest slum - Telegraph

"The report, compiled by Brihanmumbai Municipal Corporation with assistance from the United National Development Programme"

More coming up in a sec.

Here's more from Riaz:

The fact is that Orangi is nothing like Dharavi in terms of the quality of its housing or the services available to its residents. This report appears to be nothing but a shameful attempt by Mumbai's municipality to hide its own inadequacies by diverting the attention of the world to the biggest city of India's neighbor and arch rival Pakistan. What is even more disturbing is how the UNDP has become a party to this misleading claim. This preposterous claim is also an insult to the memory of Dr. Akhtar Hamid Khan who organized Orangi Pilot Project (OPP) and tirelessly worked with the residents on self-help model to improve their lives.

Orangi is not really a slum today. But it started life as a 'kutchi abadi' or squatter settlement for the large influx of refugees in Karachi from East Pakistan (often mistakenly called Biharis) after the fall of Dhaka in early 1970s. It consists of an area larger than 25 square miles (versus 0.67 sq miles in Dharavi) with a population of over a million (versus over 700,000 residents of Dharavi). Most of Orangi's population increase in the last three decades has come from the growing rural to urban migration, particularly of ethnic Pushtoons from the North West Frontier Province (NWFP). Shanties have now grown into single or two level cement houses over the years and a large number of schools have been operating successfully, sending the poorest children into the best educational institutions of the city. A significant population of educated middle class has grown in Orangi. There are a number of small businesses and a cottage industry, started by budding entrepreneurs and funded by microfinance efforts in the area. The city of Karachi has built roads to provide improved access to residents.

A hospital was built in the community in the 1990s. While Dharavi has only one toilet per 1440 residents and most of its residents use Mahim Creek, a local river, for urination and defecation, Orangi has an elaborate sanitation system built by its citizens. Under Orangi Pilot Project's guidance, between 1981 and 1993 Orangi residents installed sewers serving 72,070 of 94,122 houses. To achieve this, community members spent more than US$2 million of their own money, and OPP invested about US$150,000 in research and extension of new technologies. Orangi pilot project has been admired widely for its work with urban poor.

 

[KS]

Well, here goes your link up in flames.

Karachi’s Orangi beats Slumdog Millionaire’s Dharavi in Mumbai as Asia’s largest slum - Telegraph

"The report, compiled by Brihanmumbai Municipal Corporation with assistance from the United National Development Programme"

More coming up in a sec.

Here's more from Riaz:

The fact is that Orangi is nothing like Dharavi in terms of the quality of its housing or the services available to its residents. This report appears to be nothing but a shameful attempt by Mumbai's municipality to hide its own inadequacies by diverting the attention of the world to the biggest city of India's neighbor and arch rival Pakistan. What is even more disturbing is how the UNDP has become a party to this misleading claim. This preposterous claim is also an insult to the memory of Dr. Akhtar Hamid Khan who organized Orangi Pilot Project (OPP) and tirelessly worked with the residents on self-help model to improve their lives.

Orangi is not really a slum today. But it started life as a 'kutchi abadi' or squatter settlement for the large influx of refugees in Karachi from East Pakistan (often mistakenly called Biharis) after the fall of Dhaka in early 1970s. It consists of an area larger than 25 square miles (versus 0.67 sq miles in Dharavi) with a population of over a million (versus over 700,000 residents of Dharavi). Most of Orangi's population increase in the last three decades has come from the growing rural to urban migration, particularly of ethnic Pushtoons from the North West Frontier Province (NWFP). Shanties have now grown into single or two level cement houses over the years and a large number of schools have been operating successfully, sending the poorest children into the best educational institutions of the city. A significant population of educated middle class has grown in Orangi. There are a number of small businesses and a cottage industry, started by budding entrepreneurs and funded by microfinance efforts in the area. The city of Karachi has built roads to provide improved access to residents.

A hospital was built in the community in the 1990s. While Dharavi has only one toilet per 1440 residents and most of its residents use Mahim Creek, a local river, for urination and defecation, Orangi has an elaborate sanitation system built by its citizens. Under Orangi Pilot Project's guidance, between 1981 and 1993 Orangi residents installed sewers serving 72,070 of 94,122 houses. To achieve this, community members spent more than US$2 million of their own money, and OPP invested about US$150,000 in research and extension of new technologies. Orangi pilot project has been admired widely for its work with urban poor.

Ok were in the link have they said abt the 50 cents/3 $ claim or they have compared Orangi with Dharavi.?
and u could have served ur purpose much better if u had not quoted from the famous Haq's (A)musings.

 

[SMC]

Well since you're asking for it.

One toilet for 1,440 people at Dharavi - India - ibnlive

Old link but not sure how much it has changed and there's not much new information on it.

And here's the part on Orangi:

Daily Times - Leading News Resource of Pakistan

And dude, I am not sure you got it but that 50 cent and $3 thing was an analogy.

 

[M_Saint]

Isha Khan commented to me -

If a political analyst or commentator had informed me that most people in Bangladesh are well disposed to India and that New Delhi had good intentions towards this country I would assume that he was recently released from Pabna lunatic asylum or was a paid agent of RAW or was a die-hard Awami Leaguer. To my utter surprise an apparently respectable (but unknown) organization (Research and Development Centre) had conducted a survey amongst (presumably sane) Bangladeshis asking them their impression about India’s attitude towards Bangladesh. A staggering 45% of those surveyed apparently believed that India had a good disposition towards the country while a minority (35%) believed that it did not and 19% did not know. The terms of reference of the survey were not revealed or who the sponsors of this Research and Development Centre were or how the survey was conducted. I can only assume that the survey had been done in areas with a large proportion of Indian and AL constituents (possible in and around the Indian High Commission) or that like the 2008 elections it had been hijacked by Indian agents and their local stooges. Fortunately The Independent saved us from embarrassment by emphasizing that the survey only showed a ‘thin majority’ who believed India was friendly towards Bangladesh.

The terms of reference of the survey were not revealed or who the sponsors of this Research and Development Centre were or how the survey was conducted.

Henry Kissinger demystified Straussian(Leo Strauss - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia) ideology of Rich and powerful's inherent rights on ruling poor and unfortunate through lying and falsehood by revealing that the sheer power of Media, military and Academics created such impact that allowed the privileged to commit absolute murder by paying absolutely nothing. I guess the above citation would help the thoughtful contributors to break the puzzle on how Indians suddenly became sooo beloved in BD.