How Pakistani-Americans are entering interfaith and interracial marriages — and making them work

[Mugwop]

So are you of the opinion that every Indian is identical?
That everyone just carries the same baggage or same political opinion or is Hindu (assuming that’s the difference in religion)?

Do you think Pakistanis should be painted with the same brush accross the board as well then?

Of course not every indian is identical but a good deal of them do share the similar mentality I am talking about.


That depends!

 

[Joe Shearer]

I don't care who someone chooses to marry, not my business. Mixed couples' children like you may think you belong to both parts so a united subcontinent is something you dream of, but I would fight such an entity to the bitter end. Friendly relations sure, but I want nothing to do with any "united subcontinent" with India.

I agree with this seemingly unfriendly response; among individuals, it would have been downright hostile, but among such recently determined countries, it merely points to the relative importance of identity formation, and consequently, not so nice at all, the birth of identity politics.

We need to be especially careful about remarks about and allusions to a united subcontinent; going back to Jinnah's plans in 1946 overlooks the fact that the (West) Pakistanis have decided to form themselves into a nation, and to pull them back, or pull them away is a piece of gratuitous interference. When Indians make remarks like that, Pakistanis have these awful fears come bubbling up of being absorbed into a warm, jelly-like anonymisation that deprives them of all those indicators that make them what they are today. Best avoided for another couple of hundred years.

 

[friendly_troll96]

As the world becomes a single unified global village interracial/international marriages are becoming very common and old outdated traditions and cultural practices are being tossed aside.

As a child of an Indian-Pakistani marriage I have noticed a trend of cross-border marriages between Indians and Pakistanis increasing, especially thanks to globalization and ease of communications that allow for more people-to-people contact. Having travelled to both countries I can say that people from both sides of the border are not very different from each other. Pakistanis are very welcoming of Indians from my experience. I even saw Africans during my visit.

With this trend contuing to grow I have immense hope that we will finally achieve a United subcontinent in our lifetime and thus end hostilities. This will be one of the many steps towards achieving a single panhuman civilization where all kinds of discrimination, racism and Nationalism will finally be extinguished.

Onwards to a brighter future!

Some Pakistani-African couples:


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Pakistani-Indian couple:

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@django @Sher Shah Awan @jamahir @DESERT FIGHTER @Hassan_Ishtiaq @friendly_troll96 @Areesh @Well.wisher @Joe Shearer @Kunta Kintay

Why did you tag me? I hardly know you on this forum.

 

[Peshwa]

Of course not every indian is identical but a good deal of them do share the similar mentality I am talking about.

I'm truly surprised at this comment. Because being an Indian and having lived in India in my younger days (including current business interests there) and my life in the US since, I haven't come across Indians with such a blanket "mentality" as you put it.

Pray tell, which part of the US do you live in and where are you interacting with these Indians? Because I would love to see this phenomenon you speak of.

That depends!

Haha..I suppose I have my answer.

 

[Basel]

I don't support inter faith marriages as they are not allowed in Islam.

A close relative mine have married (as per US law) a Hindu girl and they have 2 children one is Hindu other one is Muslim because that is what both parents have decided, to me its destroying generations.

 

[Pakistani E]

I agree with this seemingly unfriendly response; among individuals, it would have been downright hostile, but among such recently determined countries, it merely points to the relative importance of identity formation, and consequently, not so nice at all, the birth of identity politics.

We need to be especially careful about remarks about and allusions to a united subcontinent; going back to Jinnah's plans in 1946 overlooks the fact that the (West) Pakistanis have decided to form themselves into a nation, and to pull them back, or pull them away is a piece of gratuitous interference. When Indians make remarks like that, Pakistanis have these awful fears come bubbling up of being absorbed into a warm, jelly-like anonymisation that deprives them of all those indicators that make them what they are today. Best avoided for another couple of hundred years.

I respect the rights of individuals to identify how they see fit. It is these individual identities together with a commonality of purpose that gives rise to larger nation states. In such circumstances, how can individuals talk about unraveling nation states that already exist in the hearts and minds of men?

I am a Pakistani above everything else. For me, the very idea of it, the land and its people are all sacred. What happened in the situation leading up to creation of Pakistan is now irrelevant. We are because we exist.

@Joe Shearer

Also, my response may seem a tad bit more unfriendly because the person who posted and tagged me claims to be an Awan on his mother side and gets singed when I ask him for the name of his ancestral village. Maybe he was trying to make a point by tagging me.

 

[Krishnan]

I don't care who someone chooses to marry, not my business. Mixed couples' children like you may think you belong to both parts so a united subcontinent is something you dream of, but I would fight such an entity to the bitter end. Friendly relations sure, but I want nothing to do with any "united subcontinent" with India.

But it's gonna happen whether some of us would like it or not. It's already happening and it's never going to stop. The lines are blurring as we speak.

A United subcontinent would be in everybody's interests.

 

[lastofthepatriots]

But it's gonna happen whether some of us would like it or not. It's already happening and it's never going to stop. The lines are blurring as we speak.

A United subcontinent would be in everybody's interests.

Most Pakistanis are not interested. Sorry to disappoint you.

 

[Pakistani E]

But it's gonna happen whether some of us would like it or not. It's already happening and it's never going to stop. The lines are blurring as we speak.

A United subcontinent would be in everybody's interests.

Do you still have to show your passport when you enter through Wagah border? Try speaking these mystic and prophetic words to the rangers guy there. Do dande sir te la deve ga, tuadi her aas puri honjwan gee.

 

[Joe Shearer]

I respect the rights of individuals to identify how they see fit. It is these individual identities together with a commonality of purpose that gives rise to larger nation states. In such circumstances, how can individuals talk about unraveling nation states that already exist in the hearts and minds of men?

Precisely!

I am a Pakistani above everything else. For me, the very idea of it, the land and its people are all sacred. What happened in the situation leading up to creation of Pakistan is now irrelevant. We are because we exist.

And that's what counts.

@Joe Shearer

Also, my response may seem a tad bit more unfriendly because the person who posted and tagged me claims to be an Awan on his mother side and gets singed when I ask him for the name of his ancestral village. Maybe he was trying to make a point by tagging me.

I was referring to the fact that when we discuss institutions and entities, the conversation is rather more impersonal (? less personal? ) than when we discuss the same situation at the levels of individuals.

Why did you tag me? I hardly know you on this forum.

With a nick like yours, you're an open target.

 

[Pakistani E]

I was referring to the fact that when we discuss institutions and entities, the conversation is rather more impersonal (? less personal? ) than when we discuss the same situation at the levels of individuals.

I know, I know. But the person who tagged me is trying to pick yesterday's bone with me today since he did not answer on a different thread.

 

[Krishnan]

The idea of race mixing doesn't bother me unless if it's with indians

That's messed up. People say similar things about other races and nationalities. Doesn't make it okay. I'm half Indian and half Pakistani. There's good people on both sides.

 

[lastofthepatriots]

I know, I know. But the person who tagged me is trying to pick yesterday's bone with me today since he did not answer on a different thread.

Awans and Arains barely marry outside their own clan, and this persons mother found a husband across the border. I'm a bit skeptical.

 

[Joe Shearer]

I know, I know. But the person who tagged me is trying to pick yesterday's bone with me today since he did not answer on a different thread.

Ah, I get it now.

Like the tiger, you store your kill and feed off it over several days.

Could we describe this as, um, a 'rich' feast?

 

[Mugwop]

I'm truly surprised at this comment. Because being an Indian and having lived in India in my younger days (including current business interests there) and my life in the US since, I haven't come across Indians with such a blanket "mentality" as you put it.

Pray tell, which part of the US do you live in and where are you interacting with these Indians? Because I would love to see this phenomenon you speak of.



Haha..I suppose I have my answer.

Closeted racism can't be seen my friend but that doesn't mean it's not there. You will never come across those types of indians unless you share the same exact views as them.

I was born in the bronx and currently moved back there from DC district.