How PAF Should Counter the SU-30 MKI

[DARKY]

You cannot knock out an airbase off its operational capability with a couple of strikes with cruise missiles or air planes. As soon as there is a strike, technicians start work on repairing the facilities to get them back online ASAP. You need constant bombardment which neither side has the capability to pursue. Major air bases in both the nations have hardened shelters which shields the aircraft from any bombardment. NATO conducted aerial raids and cruise missile strikes for almost 30 days against Iraq during Desert Storm, but Iraqi command and control was still intact. It's no child's play to take out a major air base; you need a lot of planning, fire power and most importantly luck on your side.

These days cruise Missiles are accurate enough to Hit the Ground based LRTRs out of equation and more Importantly buy time.
Remember that the Su30 would be carrying 2-3 Brahmos under their belly each and one each for older MKIs.
So Ammunition and Its fire power Is not the issue Here.. each day they'll see the runway repaired from the satellites they'll launch a salvo 2-3 Brahoms to ensure more hard work is done..

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What PAF has S300 ???

According to that Canadian cum Pakistani poster yes.

 

[GURU DUTT]

These days cruise Missiles are accurate enough to Hit the Ground based LRTRs out of equation and more Importantly buy time.
Remember that the Su30 would be carrying 2-3 Brahmos under their belly each and one each for older MKIs.
So Ammunition and Its fire power Is not the issue Here.. each day they'll see the runway repaired from the satellites they'll launch a salvo 2-3 Brahoms to ensure more hard work is done..

india even has harpy & harop drones for that very same reason but lets only try to talk about MKI's & dont bring in cruise missiles or bhramos , Thanks Again.

 

[DARKY]

india even has harpy & harop drones for that very same reason but lets only try to talk about MKI's & dont bring in cruise missiles or bhramos , Thanks Again.

That was for reply to the point raised and Brahmos is one of the weaponry to be used on Su30MKI.

Those Drones can't damage a LRTRs only Anti-radiation Missiles/Cruise missiles can do it.
Any way I won't brahmos until its raised by any one here.

 

[RPK]

Novator K-100

changes whole game of AWACS & Arial refueling

 

[BLACKEAGLE]

I think comparing SU-30 MKI with JF-17 would absolutely end in favor of Su-30. SU-30 is far more superior in speed, radar range and capability of detection, OLS, counter measures, jamming, long range AVR missiles represented by R-77, maneuverability, weapon load, fly range. Everyone knows that F-15 was the back bone of USAF as well as SU-27 and mig-31 are the back bone of RAF not mig-29 nor f-16. those light air-crafts were made because they are cheap, economic and a practical solution to cut off spending and were made also for export. It would be more realistic to compare between JF-17 and mig-29 SMT or mig-29 K.

 

[DARKY]

Novator K-100

changes whole game of AWACS & Arial refueling

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[Harry Potter]

Lets not talk about Super MKI or further upgrades, This thread is about PAF countering Su30MKI.

IAF has 146 Su30MKI

It's far more than 146 mate.
HAL has delivered around 105 MKI's.Russia delivered around 50(40+10)MK's later modernized to MKI standards.
So far Irkut has delivered 28 of the 40MKI's under 2007 deal.
This year we will induct 33 MKI's(21 HAL made and rest 12 from Irkut completing the 2007 deal).

 

[DARKY]

so you think all Pakistan Air force will keep on sleeping and you wont be getting anything in return??? day dreamers
In any conflict Su30 would be taken down by our jf-17s even before they see the runways

How long can your JF-17 fly once they approach within 50km from Inter national border... what kind of EW suit it has to make it survive It self... remember once in India.. No AWACS cover or those SAM batteries.. you are on your own... against our SAM batteries AWACS cover and Interceptors and LR-SAMs... best of luck reaching the Runways.

Hell JF-17 can't even see the Mig21 If it vectors right on its tail inside Indian border... Trying to copy the Japs are you.

 

[DARKY]

so you think all Pakistan Air force will keep on sleeping and you wont be getting anything in return??? day dreamers
In any conflict Su30 would be taken down by our jf-17s even before they see the runways

How long can your JF-17 fly once they approach within 50km from Inter national border... what kind of EW suit it has to make it survive It self... remember once in India.. No AWACS cover or those SAM batteries.. you are on your own... against our SAM batteries AWACS cover and Interceptors and LR-SAMs... best of luck reaching the Runways.

Hell JF-17 can't even see the Mig21 If it vectors right on its tail inside Indian border... Trying to copy the Japs are you.

 

[soul hacker]

Do the PAF own the S300?

BACHE ager PDF ke pas S300 hota to tu yahan hota??

 

[ashokdeiva]

Lets hope that there wont be a need for another war and Pakistan does not have to think about countering MKI's which are there to protect INDIAN air-space and not to tress pass into Pakistan Territory, unless in future Pakistan Air show invites IAF to show case Indian Fighters.

 

[Contrarian]

Hi,

I see that you are still in the numbers----100 is too much---a number between 15--20 su 30 shot down by paf on day 1, would run shudders in the ranks of Iaf. Once the cloak of invincibility is shattered---the psyche will be blown away.

The myth of the su 30 will either be shattered on day 1 of the combat or it will be the end game for paf. But once the myth gets shattered---the rest of the iaf will be no match.

Ever the optimist Mastan.
For the 15-20 Su's shot down there will also be a corresponding 10-15 of the best fighters PAF has to field. You think that simply by shooting 15-20 MKI's IAF will be disheartened enough to get shot more and more?

Those 10-15 F-16's that PAF loses will mean a MUCH greater loss of firepower for PAF than for the IAF. That means that the next day, PAF will shoot down lesser aircraft than it did the last day!
Even the 2nd rung aircrafts of the IAF ie the Mirage 2000 and MiG 29 are being upgraded to Mirage 2005 and MiG 29K standandards! The 'rest' of the IAF has also trained for fighting, not just waiting for Su's to do everyone else's work.

You set too much store by assuming that the IAF thinks like the fanboys on internet generally and specifically wrt the 'invincibility' of the MKI.
IAF has always been prepared to take losses(something i find most Pakistani's dont accept). Losing MKI's or any other plane is acceptable compared to the damage it causes in return. Like i said before, for every MKI lost, PAF losses a much bigger amount of firepower. Infact most likely the opposite of what you have said will happen.

 

[IndianTiger]

Its not possible to counter everything. But what pakistan can do is minimizing damage by keeping friendly relations with neighbours.

 

[BATMAN]

SU-27 was purely designed in late 70's for Russian war doctrine vs US.
Keep in mind, no other war theater may be a replica of Russia vs US air combat over Alaska.

History is like, In 70's Russian Vympel had very poor hit rate as compare to US AIM.
So the design philosophy of Russians, was to make an air truck, which can carry maximum BVR.
The application of SU revolves around 'shoot & scoot' game plan.

Principally, Russian idea was to overwhelm the incoming enemy a/c with flood of low hit rate, but long range missiles.
It was indeed a very clever strategy considering their own weakness and American strengths.

Point is, SU is good for what it is designed for but any further is no go area for SU.
e.g. Close combats in tight airspace, with presence of AWACS and AESA radars this truck stand no chance even against mig-21.

All Pakistan need is to forget about J-10, F-16 etc... and induct JFT & SD-10 in numbers and game is over for InAF.

 

[anathema]

These days cruise Missiles are accurate enough to Hit the Ground based LRTRs out of equation and more Importantly buy time.
Remember that the Su30 would be carrying 2-3 Brahmos under their belly each and one each for older MKIs.
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Darky - Just one correction.

THat is incorrect - modified Su 30 will be capable of carrying only one Brahmos - and not 2-3 Brahmos. Older ones are not capable to carry even one ! This was later confirmed by Sivanthu pillai - even though there is a pic floating around which shows 2-3 Brahmos underneath a Su belly.

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.. No AWACS cover or those SAM batteries.. you are on your own... against our SAM batteries AWACS cover and Interceptors and LR-SAMs... best of luck reaching the Runways.

Can you explain why there wouldnt be a AWECS cover for PAF once it crosses IB ? AFAIK , PAF erie or ZDK both has the capability to see inside indian IB ! Just the way Phalcon will be doing.