How PAF Prevented an Israeli Attack on Pakistan's Nuclear Assets

[Drashid]

Oh, you asked the head of the mossad or the Israeli PM ?
Stop thinking that u can reveal secret information in the web

It isn't 100% factual (many Pakistani's exaggerate the claim), but the overall claim is factual. You can't honestly believe Israel wouldn't try and handle the only nuclear Muslim state?

 

[DavidSling]

It isn't 100% factual (many Pakistani's exaggerate the claim), but the overall claim is factual. You can't honestly believe Israel wouldn't try and handle the only nuclear Muslim state?

Fact is there's no fact, u're guessing.
Unless some real documentary will get release, it's all speculations

 

[Blue Marlin]

Why must you continue to swallow such fairy-tales?



@MadDog I am still wondering how long some of your senior and respected members will continue to revel in the use of these two adjectives. He has done enough damage already.



It was never on the cards. It is a figment of the Pakistani romance with Pakistan that the redoubtable PAF forestalled any surgical strikes. There were never plans for any surgical strikes.



And what were the IrAF and the IAF supposed to be doing during this derring-do? Practising their seamanship?

Regarding the evidence, nobody has any doubt that Pakistan pressed the panic button, several times, during the 80s and the 90s. There is surely a huge body of evidence on that front. However, there is not a shred of evidence about any conspiracy, then or later, between India and Israel.

Just the kind of thing that testosterone-rich freshers would come out with. Not surprising that it is therefore part of the fanzone lore.



All this paper said was that India refused to help any such effort.

The rest is a fairy tale.

what are you doing ?
why are you opening up a thread 2 years old ?
that israeli dude has been opening old thread for a while. dont respond

 

[Drashid]

Fact is there's no fact, u're guessing.
Unless some real documentary will get release, it's all speculations

I guess.

 

[somebozo]

This scenario often project as some kind of war victor is only a fictitious hypothesis because..

1. Israel has no beef with Pakistan, no borders and no immediate threat.
2. Israel has no such long range capability to mount a strike.
3. Any such strike needs involvement of India as an operation base - a blatant declaration of war by India..against which Pakistan is sure to retaliate.
4. If Israel has the political will and diplomatic support to mount such an attack then Pakistan is extremely outdated to prevent such an attack..

 

[WaLeEdK2]

In 1979, the Indian intelligence agency intercepted an American document according to which Pakistan intended to conduct a nuclear test very soon. The intelligence agencies of Israel that were monitoring the Pakistanis knew that they were working on a nuclear bomb, but the information betrayed the fast progress made by that country. In view of the new information, Israel planned an attack against the nuclear facility in Kahuta, used by Dr. Khan. The attack was cancelled owing to US pressure, according to the book "Deception: Pakistan, the United States, and the Secret Trade in Nuclear Weapons" by Adrian Levy & Catherine Scott-Clark. The Reagan administration feared that the attack would undermine American interests in Afghanistan, which Pakistan supported vis-à-vis the Russians. According to various reports, Israel even went as far as building a complete model of the Pakistani nuclear facility in the Negev, for the purpose of training the strike mission pilots. According to the book, the attack was to be staged in March 1984 from the Jamnagar Indian Air Force base in Gujarat. Another source claiming that Israel had planned an attack against the Pakistani nuclear facility is the fas.org website.

http://www.israeldefense.co.il/en/content/pakistan-–-quiet-nuclear-threat

I don't know if this would suffice. But it is an israeli source.

 

[DavidSling]

In 1979, the Indian intelligence agency intercepted an American document according to which Pakistan intended to conduct a nuclear test very soon. The intelligence agencies of Israel that were monitoring the Pakistanis knew that they were working on a nuclear bomb, but the information betrayed the fast progress made by that country. In view of the new information, Israel planned an attack against the nuclear facility in Kahuta, used by Dr. Khan. The attack was cancelled owing to US pressure, according to the book "Deception: Pakistan, the United States, and the Secret Trade in Nuclear Weapons" by Adrian Levy & Catherine Scott-Clark. The Reagan administration feared that the attack would undermine American interests in Afghanistan, which Pakistan supported vis-à-vis the Russians. According to various reports, Israel even went as far as building a complete model of the Pakistani nuclear facility in the Negev, for the purpose of training the strike mission pilots. According to the book, the attack was to be staged in March 1984 from the Jamnagar Indian Air Force base in Gujarat. Another source claiming that Israel had planned an attack against the Pakistani nuclear facility is the fas.org website.

http://www.israeldefense.co.il/en/content/pakistan-–-quiet-nuclear-threat

I don't know if this would suffice. But it is an israeli source.

The requested page "/en/content/pakistan-%20-quiet-nuclear-threat" could not be found.
Anyways, Like I said before, untill there's some REAL document and not speculation, this whole thread is based on a guess

 

[WaLeEdK2]

This scenario often project as some kind of war victor is only a fictitious hypothesis because..

1. Israel has no beef with Pakistan, no borders and no immediate threat.
2. Israel has no such long range capability to mount a strike.
3. Any such strike needs involvement of India as an operation base - a blatant declaration of war by India..against which Pakistan is sure to retaliate.
4. If Israel has the political will and diplomatic support to mount such an attack then Pakistan is extremely outdated to prevent such an attack..

1) overtly no but covertly things could be different

2)that's why they wanted to use India as a base.

3)that goes without saying. India was hesitant and did not want to carry out these attacks.

4)back then Israel had the will to carry out the attack. Pakistan had f-16s back then and would've immediately retaliated. It was a one way mission and PAF f-16 pilots were told that if the Israelis bomb kuhata then they would need volunteers to attack domina on this one way mission (certain death). It was all or nothing for Pak back then.

 

[WaLeEdK2]

The requested page "/en/content/pakistan-%20-quiet-nuclear-threat" could not be found.
Anyways, Like I said before, untill there's some REAL document and not speculation, this whole thread is based on a guess

Do you know how hard it would be to find real documents? Can you show me the documents for operation opera?

 

[PDF]

PAF is quite excellent and efficient in stopping imaginary attacks on Pakistan !

Pakistani officials have complained that in the past requests for fresh weapons systems from the U.S. have been "fiercely resisted by Indian and Israeli lobbyists".
In the 1980s, Israel is said to have planned, with or without Indian assistance, a possible attack on Pakistan's bomb capacity. After successfully destroying Iraqi nuclear reactor in 1981, Israel allegedly planned a similar attack on Pakistan’s nuclear facilities at Kahuta in collusion with India in the 1980s. Using satellite pictures and intelligence information, Israel reportedly built a full-scale mock-up of Kahuta facility in the Negev Desert where pilots of F-16 and F-15 squadrons practiced mock attacks.

According to ‘The Asian Age’, journalists Adrian Levy and Catherine Scott-Clark stated in their book ‘Deception: Pakistan, the US and the Global Weapons Conspiracy’, that Israeli Air Force was to launch an air attack on Kahuta in mid-1980s from Jamnagar airfield in Gujarat, India. The book claims that “in March 1984, Prime Minister Indira Gandhi signed off (on) the Israeli-led operation bringing India, Pakistan and Israel to within a hair’s breadth of a nuclear conflagration”.

McNair’s paper #41 published by USAF Air University (India Thwarts Israeli Destruction of Pakistan's "Islamic Bomb") also confirmed this plan. It said, “Israeli interest in destroying Pakistan’s Kahuta reactor to scuttle the "Islamic bomb" was blocked by India's refusal to grant landing and refuelling rights to Israeli warplanes in 1982.” This had been India's policy for all foreign military planes/ships. Israel, on its part wanted this to be a joint Indian-Israeli strike to avoid being solely held responsible.

1. [Deception: Pakistan, the US and the Global Weapons Conspiracy, Adrian Levy and Catherine Scott-Clark]
2. [McNair’s paper #41 published by USAF University]
3. http://www.defencenews.in/article/I...t-bombed-Pakistans-Kahuta-Nuclear-Reactor-308
4. http://indianexpress.com/article/ex...litary-attack-on-a-pakistani-nuclear-reactor/
5. https://www.google.com.pk/url?sa=t&...038102&usg=AFQjCNGDAe6We82aVCNTjQ-o47q4AKFUaA
6. Embedded media from this media site is no longer available
7. http://fas.org/spp/starwars/program/docs/41ind.html
8. https://www.google.com.pk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=57&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwjE26ClutrNAhXDXhQKHdHjDU04MhAWCDkwBg&url=http://www.rediff.com/news/2003/sep/08spec.htm&usg=AFQjCNF61XZjzAHUl0mrA1bgW8zxTPJnMQ
9. http://www.cambridgeforecast.org/MIDDLEEAST/KAHUTA.html

etc.

 

[DavidSling]

Do you know how hard it would be to find real documents? Can you show me the documents for operation opera?

Contains live footage.
Besides, this confirmed to have TAKEN action.
Proving that something "would've" happened and didn't, is alot harder without official documentary

 

[WaLeEdK2]

Pakistani officials have complained that in the past requests for fresh weapons systems from the U.S. have been "fiercely resisted by Indian and Israeli lobbyists".
In the 1980s, Israel is said to have planned, with or without Indian assistance, a possible attack on Pakistan's bomb capacity. After successfully destroying Iraqi nuclear reactor in 1981, Israel allegedly planned a similar attack on Pakistan’s nuclear facilities at Kahuta in collusion with India in the 1980s. Using satellite pictures and intelligence information, Israel reportedly built a full-scale mock-up of Kahuta facility in the Negev Desert where pilots of F-16 and F-15 squadrons practiced mock attacks.

According to ‘The Asian Age’, journalists Adrian Levy and Catherine Scott-Clark stated in their book ‘Deception: Pakistan, the US and the Global Weapons Conspiracy’, that Israeli Air Force was to launch an air attack on Kahuta in mid-1980s from Jamnagar airfield in Gujarat, India. The book claims that “in March 1984, Prime Minister Indira Gandhi signed off (on) the Israeli-led operation bringing India, Pakistan and Israel to within a hair’s breadth of a nuclear conflagration”.

McNair’s paper #41 published by USAF Air University (India Thwarts Israeli Destruction of Pakistan's "Islamic Bomb") also confirmed this plan. It said, “Israeli interest in destroying Pakistan’s Kahuta reactor to scuttle the "Islamic bomb" was blocked by India's refusal to grant landing and refuelling rights to Israeli warplanes in 1982.” This had been India's policy for all foreign military planes/ships. Israel, on its part wanted this to be a joint Indian-Israeli strike to avoid being solely held responsible.

1. [Deception: Pakistan, the US and the Global Weapons Conspiracy, Adrian Levy and Catherine Scott-Clark]
2. [McNair’s paper #41 published by USAF University]
3. http://www.defencenews.in/article/I...t-bombed-Pakistans-Kahuta-Nuclear-Reactor-308
4. http://indianexpress.com/article/ex...litary-attack-on-a-pakistani-nuclear-reactor/
5. http://fas.org/spp/starwars/program/docs/41ind.html
6. https://www.google.com.pk/url?sa=t&...ec.htm&usg=AFQjCNF61XZjzAHUl0mrA1bgW8zxTPJnMQ
7. http://www.cambridgeforecast.org/MIDDLEEAST/KAHUTA.html

etc.

It wouldn't be a surprise if the Israelis were planning to do so. They didn't want any Muslim country from obtaining N-power. Why are Israeli in such denial about this? It's not like the attack happened and they failed..

 

[WaLeEdK2]

Contains live footage.
Besides, this confirmed to have TAKEN action.
Proving that something "would've" happened and didn't, is alot harder without official documentary

Again there is a documentary because it happened. I've asked for documents that show the planning. If they did not carry out the attack then how do we know they were planning this?

 

[PDF]

It wouldn't be a surprise if the Israelis were planning to do so. They didn't want any Muslim country from obtaining N-power. Why are Israeli in such denial about this? It's not like the attack happened and they failed..

Their are a lot of consequences in accepting that such action was planned.
They have officially also not stated themselves a nuclear power(Militarily) because of the consequences...

 

[DavidSling]

Again there is a documentary because it happened. I've asked for documents that show the planning. If they did not carry out the attack then how do we know they were planning this?

That's right, and as I stated above, that's alot harder to prove something that was planned and didn't occur, according to you, without official document/