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Please tell during which civilians government it occurred? Also tell me the end result... Oh massive imbalance you say... Please continue. I am sure Pakistan is on its knees to India due to the imbalance.
Let India purchase whatever it does. You do realize that Pakistan has the deterrence created by them due to those purchases. Regarding Kashmir, Pakistan does not even need to use its military. The oppression has caused local to rebel and security wise, Indian cannot control IOK... Maybe you need to live in the reality. I am well awake but I am not sure about you...
We defended ourselves in 1965 when the odds were 5:1 or more. We can protect ourselves very well. Why should we go offensive?
Even I do not tend to discuss with someone who has little information or false information.I have built a few rules in my life on how to deal with people and topics. I don't respond to emotional and upset people as logic can never win there and you end up wasting time. You are getting there so I'll try to respond one last time with just logic and will back off. You have a right to think how you do and I have a right to stick to the facts I know. We agree to disagree and that's fine
The Kashmir issue had gained traction with Benazir. But it didn't make a whole lot of progress in front of the Public due to the Military STILL involved with the country. She was scared and didn't want to get the military inside the power again.
Then, in Nawaz and company's previous time, twice, there were serious breakthroughs that would've come. But the military was in power and was running behind the scene military campaign to avoid making progress on Kashmir. Kargil was just one example. I can't write a book on here but there is a lot of detail on the topic that senior people on here would know also.
Everyone in the globe knows Pakistan has deterrence. My post didn't talk about that. My post specifically mentioned Pakistan has NO offensive capability anymore to claim "we'll take Kashmir by force". That sentence is dead and drowned deep inside the Indian ocean. That's just a reality.
Also, if the "deterrence" is SO strong, how come the Pak Military is in a panic mode over "arms race in South Asia"? . Like I said, macho statements are one thing, the ground realities are entirely different. You should try to meet with your Army Chief to understand the ground realities. He knows them very well.
Till around1995, Pakistan air-force and the military were always considered to have much better equipment than the Indian side. Plus, the numbers weren't that different economically. Today, the IA/IAF is much superior in numerical and technological advantage. Plus their training has jumped up a LOT. If I wrote some of the military offensive scenarios on here that may be used by India, you will not be happy and I might get banned. So I'll leave it at that.
Can somebody (especially Indian Military or Govt official) explain this **** why not Indian AF did Surgical strike after 26/11!
what are you doing ?
why are you opening up a thread 2 years old ?
that israeli dude has been opening old thread for a while. dont respond
So I guess no Israeli agree with OP here. The world of denial is not new to them. They are living in that world...
The difference between Saddam and Assad was that Saddam controlled a powerful and well equipped military, where as Assad did not. All Syria could ever do was make claims, if they tried to act upon them they would be crushed. Even if they made nukes they would still pose very little danger. Assad having nukes would just make it harder for Israel to meddle in Syrian affairs.
I have built a few rules in my life on how to deal with people and topics. I don't respond to emotional and upset people as logic can never win there and you end up wasting time. You are getting there so I'll try to respond one last time with just logic and will back off. You have a right to think how you do and I have a right to stick to the facts I know. We agree to disagree and that's fine
The Kashmir issue had gained traction with Benazir. But it didn't make a whole lot of progress in front of the Public due to the Military STILL involved with the country. She was scared and didn't want to get the military inside the power again.
Then, in Nawaz and company's previous time, twice, there were serious breakthroughs that would've come. But the military was in power and was running behind the scene military campaign to avoid making progress on Kashmir. Kargil was just one example. I can't write a book on here but there is a lot of detail on the topic that senior people on here would know also.
Everyone in the globe knows Pakistan has deterrence. My post didn't talk about that. My post specifically mentioned Pakistan has NO offensive capability anymore to claim "we'll take Kashmir by force". That sentence is dead and drowned deep inside the Indian ocean. That's just a reality.
Also, if the "deterrence" is SO strong, how come the Pak Military is in a panic mode over "arms race in South Asia"? . Like I said, macho statements are one thing, the ground realities are entirely different. You should try to meet with your Army Chief to understand the ground realities. He knows them very well.
Till around1995, Pakistan air-force and the military were always considered to have much better equipment than the Indian side. Plus, the numbers weren't that different economically. Today, the IA/IAF is much superior in numerical and technological advantage. Plus their training has jumped up a LOT. If I wrote some of the military offensive scenarios on here that may be used by India, you will not be happy and I might get banned. So I'll leave it at that.
Israel couldn't see the difference then, and I still can't see it now.The difference between Saddam and Assad was that Saddam controlled a powerful and well equipped military, where as Assad did not. All Syria could ever do was make claims, if they tried to act upon them they would be crushed. Even if they made nukes they would still pose very little danger.
Scary....Can somebody explain to me what was the wrath of God that would have been unleashed on India by the PAF ?
Till around1995, Pakistan air-force and the military were always considered to have much better equipment than the Indian side. Plus, the numbers weren't that different economically. Today, the IA/IAF is much superior in numerical and technological advantage. Plus their training has jumped up a LOT. If I wrote some of the military offensive scenarios on here that may be used by India, you will not be happy and I might get banned. So I'll leave it at that.
Truth always tastes bitter my friend....Absolute non sense, this article has been circulated through out various blogs, we Pakistanis love to believe in conspiracy theories. Israel has nothing to with Pakistan, last time any Israeli leader mentioned Pakistan it was Shimon Peres who prayed for Musharaf. Infact, in 2010 Israelis offered Pakistan to sell their guided munitions for PAF for war on terror, an offer which was rejected by PAF. This was stated by Pakistan Air chief in a speech. Recently Pakistan Airforce also bought aircraft refueling trucks from Israel indirectly through Turkey.
I am still wondering how senior and respected members on this forum like "WindJammer" are agreeing with this delusional article.
Israel couldn't see the difference then, and I still can't see it now.
I hope it answers your curiosity.