How Muslims were massacred in Gujrat

[SarthakGanguly]

And mind you there is always a believer (Hindu) and a non believer (non hindu) in every religion

Wrong. Incorrect. No Dharmic faith makes this distinction between a believer and a non believer. If you believe you are called Astik, and if you don't believe you are called Nastik. Both are Hindus. There is no distinction between the two. None at all.

India's personal business end of. The Muslims in Gujarat for the most part have moved on, discussing old wounds just makes things worse. Innocent folk were laid to rest, guilty people have been jailed.

I hope no communal violence breaks out at all in the sub-continent. Such a terrible thing.

Who are you? Where did you come from?


syedali73 states - "good follower of Goebbels, who was an excellent follower of Chankaya"

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[Chinese-Dragon]

Wrong. Incorrect. No Dharmic faith makes this distinction between a believer and a non believer. If you believe you are called Astik, and if you don't believe you are called Nastik. Both are Hindus. There is no distinction between the two. None at all.

So according to that, everyone is a Hindu?

 

[SarthakGanguly]

So according to that, everyone is a Hindu?

Everyone who considers himself so.

Is that why my post here in this thread was deleted?

Lol. You are always asking for trouble.

 

[VCheng]

Thats because you speak the bitter truth and that's one thing most of us can't digest at all.Actually it's part of the human psyche,simply put if you can't tolerate the truth you just try to gag the person who's speaking it.........

Is that why my post here in this thread was deleted?

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

Thats because you speak the bitter truth and that's one thing most of us can't digest at all.Actually it's part of the human psyche,simply put if you can't tolerate the truth you just try to gag the person who's speaking it.That's what is happening in your case.Just leave it mate,it ain't worth nothing.The fact that matters most is that we as Indians know the truth behind the Godhra and the post Godhra incidents.

Plenty of people are convinced of the idea that they somehow know the "real truth" and no one else does (despite most information being public domain nowadays).

But that is often just ego. Real truth comes from real sources and the ability to think in a logical/rational manner.

 

[VCheng]

Plenty of people are convinced of the idea that they somehow know the "real truth" and no one else does (despite most information being public domain nowadays).

But that is often just ego. Real truth comes from real sources and the ability to think in a logical/rational manner.

Good point, but that also means that selective deletion of posts is not correct for discussion.

 

[KingMamba]

So according to that, everyone is a Hindu?

Superficial words, if that were the case Hindu nationalists would not make a huge fuss with Hindus converting to other faiths. In reality the butt burn hindutvas get show that there is indeed a difference between the believer and non believer. I will quote a poster's words here that it is not what people say but what they do.

 

[Srinivas]

Superficial words, if that were the case Hindu nationalists would not make a huge fuss with Hindus converting to other faiths. In reality the butt burn hindutvas get show that there is indeed a difference between the believer and non believer. I will quote a poster's words here that it is not what people say but what they do.

The vedic Hinduism started with no GOD at all. It all started that people started to believe there is a phenomena, some spirit out there which is controlling the events that are occurring in the universe/multiverse. That Cosmic soul they named it as GOD.

Dharmic philosophy includes both Natiks and Asthiks

Āstika and nāstika - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Dubious]

There is no concept of non believer in Hinduism... Btw smelling conspiracy theories has been best time pass for many ......
I do not support(Godhra n post Godhra) such scale of violence at least against innocent people women kids..... Check the history of riots in Godhra that might help you here .....

So we all are Hindus now? Tough for atheists who are trying to use logic to run away from religion

 

[Dubious]

So according to that, everyone is a Hindu?

THAT is the exact impression I got!

 

[Dubious]

The vedic Hinduism started with no GOD at all. It all started that people started to believe there is a phenomena, some spirit out there which is controlling the events that are occurring in the universe/multiverse. That Cosmic soul they named it as GOD.

Dharmic philosophy includes both Natiks and Asthiks

Āstika and nāstika - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Interesting...its not a religion if it doesnt have a supreme power...Its more like a cult or a traditional folk tale? You sure you know what you are talking about?

 

[Dubious]

Wrong. Incorrect. No Dharmic faith makes this distinction between a believer and a non believer. If you believe you are called Astik, and if you don't believe you are called Nastik. Both are Hindus. There is no distinction between the two. None at all.

Ya just the addition of an "N" no biggie!
Since both are Hindus whats with the chest beating Hindus going to India from Pakistan? Everyone is Hindu we have the country full off them ...why cry crocodile tears for them?

 

[Dubious]

I am sure u are the one who is secretly reporting my posts
Just admit it woman

Uff khudaya dont tempt me...That is 1 of the reasons I left the thread coz I was tempted to report

 

[Dubious]

Strictness is there but there is enough tolerance, as people are getting educated and getting awareness some of these stricter laws are relaxed by natural process.

Look at the definition of religion...you need a god and a set of rules/ laws....Religion is not a chaotic mess that you twist turn, adjust at will...

Humans are not beasts, educated folk do not need brutal laws there is a thing called change and second chance ,although some exceptions are there !!

The laws are not brutal but to deter the nature of men to be drawn to sin! It is the basics of ALL religion....When you warn your child not to play with fire, for a curious child that is brutal and controlling but is it not good for him/ her?

Dharmic principles teach that Humans are not supposedly the slaves of GOD. Rather they teach to question the existence of Humans and learn why is GOD playing with us. In the process get out of the illusion called MAYA and see the absolute path/truth.

Dude a while back you or another one said there is no god so being slaves is too far fetched!!

Few q:

1) Question the existence is what leads one to want a religion
2) GOD doesnt play HE tests to show us our powers and weakness...HE doesnt need to see it HE made us! Its like if we invented something we dont need to take it apart to know whats in it...We made it we know it...
3) To reach the absolute path there are rules...You dont go haywire and reach it! Maybe in a million years sadly not everyone touches their 100th birthday to test all the theories...

The concept of GOD is little different here, the spark(divine identity) is there in every living thing and Humans are at higher order of evolution.

If it is there in every living thing then how can someone murder, rape, rob, cheat and many other crap? Is the divine thing in us that weak? Then how is it divine when the corrupt bit in us is stronger enough in some (and lead to rapes, murders, lying, cheating, stealing)?

If one thinks that GOD is the master or all father and we are miserable beings and we need salvation then there is no dignity or spirit associated with us !!

Well 1 thing is this is from Christian point of view....It basically means a humble human being not no dignity that is the thinking of the proud satan not the humble

The only advantage is that if we think GOD is a master or father and are meant to obey then every miserable thing that happens in Human life is because of GOD and so it is GOD's willing. This thinking will give some salvation and gives strength to the human life.

At least in the Quran it says there are rules when you dont follow you fall into miserable things...sometimes some tests are to test you (how you will react and how much faith you have in your lord to save you) while others are to make you stronger and make you not take things for granted....Apart from that all the good favours are from GOD and if you keep to the right path technically apart from tests no bad should come to you...

Science teaches to question the phenomena happening around you and also explains it with facts. Science teaches the spirit of not bowing down to nature (also superstition) rather unlock the secrets and get the mastery over these forces.

Yet Science has not been able to make life out of thin air...even it needs starting materials...There goes Science is soo great! Religion doesnt teach you to stop questioning...People do that! Esp if they dont know the answers they get irritated by continuous questioning!

Similarly Dharmic spirit also teaches the Humans that we are dignified beings and we are more than what we are, who are struggling in the cycle called "samsara" (Birth, Suffering and Death cycle).

Yet no proof of rebirth through science, eh?

There were Shastras (Laws) which are followed in ancient India. But over the time religion is kept separate from state and Indian constitution is made legitimate.

Well there is a reason it was thrown to ancient India....and not allowed up front heck some laws (religious) had to be forbidden by the state ...eg. Sati which the state put a ban on not the religion...

There is differentiation between non believers and believers.

Yea the great word NON...which one of you said about ASTIK and NASTIK...well the N can also be equated to NON

Wrong. Incorrect. No Dharmic faith makes this distinction between a believer and a non believer. If you believe you are called Astik, and if you don't believe you are called Nastik. Both are Hindus. There is no distinction between the two. None at all.

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Every religion has some set of laws which are from GOD.

Abrahamic religions have the verses from the prophets which are from GOD.

Dharmic religions have slokas from Sages which are from GOD.

Vedas are divine revelations similar to Quran.

Well what is the status of divine for Vedas when humans adjust it and still do as they please? Do you not listen to god? coz the word divine means godly, right? Do you interfere with GOD's saying and make it man made then still want to claim its god's?

 

[DesiGuy]

The vedic Hinduism started with no GOD at all. It all started that people started to believe there is a phenomena, some spirit out there which is controlling the events that are occurring in the universe/multiverse. That Cosmic soul they named it as GOD.

Dharmic philosophy includes both Natiks and Asthiks

Āstika and nāstika - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

i don't think you are right...During vedic times, although no names were assigned to god, they still refer to that unknown entity as "Truth" and that no one can deny its existence. Even in rig veda, they use terms like "One" or "Truth".

Then even nothingness was not, nor existence,
There was no air then, nor the heavens beyond it.
What covered it? Where was it? In whose keeping
Was there then cosmic water, in depths unfathomed?

Then there was neither death nor immortality
nor was there then the torch of night and day.
The One breathed windlessly and self-sustaining.
There was that One then, and there was no other.

At first there was only darkness wrapped in darkness.
All this was only unillumined water.
That One which came to be, enclosed in nothing,
arose at last, born of the power of heat.

In the beginning desire descended on it -
that was the primal seed, born of the mind.
The sages who have searched their hearts with wisdom
know that which is is kin to that which is not.

And they have stretched their cord across the void,
and know what was above, and what below.
Seminal powers made fertile mighty forces.
Below was strength, and over it was impulse.

But, after all, who knows, and who can say
Whence it all came, and how creation happened?
the gods themselves are later than creation,
so who knows truly whence it has arisen?

Whence all creation had its origin,
he, whether he fashioned it or whether he did not,
he, who surveys it all from highest heaven,
he knows - or maybe even he does not know.

That "Truth"/"One" later become known as Brahman in vedanta and shared exact same traits, most important being that "One" cannot be described, only experienced.
So hinduism always had concept of "God" but its characteristics/personalities were debated among rishhis.

Also astik and nastik are much broader terms...not just limited to believer/non-believer.