How moving to Karachi may be wrecking Pakistan’s economy

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Sure, but by that logic Indians are justified in Kashmir aren’t they?

I don't get your point. how come kashmir and indians are relevant?

 

[SQ8]

I don't get your point. how come kashmir and indians are relevant?

Carrying out killings with the cooperation of a hostile power

 

[CIS-TRANS]

Carrying out killings with the cooperation of a hostile power

Kashmiris are fighting for their freedom? How can a political violence for political gains in karachi can be related to their freedom struggle?

 

[SQ8]

Kashmiris are fighting for their freedom? How can a political violence for political gains in karachi can be related to their freedom struggle?

That is not the line being fed. The line is freedom from being oppressed by a majority. That is what MQM uses(and ANP,BLA, PTM, Hazara and even PPP).
So it takes very little for them to stop saying its fighting for our rights to say its fighting for freedom.

 

[CIS-TRANS]

That is not the line being fed. The line is freedom from being oppressed by a majority. That is what MQM uses(and ANP,BLA, PTM, Hazara and even PPP).
So it takes very little for them to stop saying its fighting for our rights to say its fighting for freedom.

Thats why i said to mentee, that Altaf is alive, mqm is alive, Pti is their current shelter and they never forget their cause. before operation during final days of mqm reign it was not even in a control of Altaf himself. and sub-group had turned against each other. They lost many old city area to Aman committee in the process.

 

[jupiter2007]

Are you out of your bloody mind? MQM is Altaf hussain. I'm not Kashmiri, go play that card somewhere else. Especially when PTI is in bed with traitor party.

Thats why i said to mentee, that Altaf is alive, mqm is alive, Pti is their current shelter and they never forget their cause. before operation during final days of mqm reign it was not even in a control of Altaf himself. and sub-group had turned against each other. They lost many old city area to Aman committee in the process.

You have no idea about politics.

Always remember, in politics there are no friends and enemies, there are only interest.
MQM will be history in near future. Mohajirs/ Urdu speaking have rejected them. Establishment will support PSP for next local body election and eventually MQM will lose. Many of these MQM-P leaders would have been in jail but Right now priority is to catch the big fish. once they are in jail then others cases move up. Amir Khan and Farooq Sattar cases are on priority 6, Zardari and Sharief gangs is on priority 10.

Uzair baloch case is in military court. I am wondering what information he provided to agencies regarding Zardari and Faryal Talpur. Looking at the current political situation in the country, the corrupt mafia including Zardari is out to save democracy only means that Zardari is in deep$h1t. He wants NRO for him and his sister.

 

[SQ8]

Thats why i said to mentee, that Altaf is alive, mqm is alive, Pti is their current shelter and they never forget their cause. before operation during final days of mqm reign it was not even in a control of Altaf himself. and sub-group had turned against each other. They lost many old city area to Aman committee in the process.

I disagree. PTI has nothing to do with sheltering Altaf or the cause, there is no proof or even supporting actions or news to your assertion. If somehow PTI is now the preferred party among what was once the population voting for MQM, it does mean one racially profiles anyone or a party on the basis of their vote.

Yeh. Why not. why not send every migrant who moved to Karachi since 1947 back to where they came from. That should fix everything .....

So that would include 5 naval chiefs, 40% of naval officers , 30% of Air Force officers including first person to drop a bomb on India- 20% of Army senior brass, personnel who were key in the nuclear and missile program and so on.
Sounds about right.

 

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I disagree. PTI has nothing to do with sheltering Altaf or the cause, there is no proof or even supporting actions or news to your assertion. If somehow PTI is now the preferred party among what was once the population voting for MQM, it does mean one racially profiles anyone or a party on the basis of their vote.

You got me wrong their, Pti leadership may not have a policy of supporting altaf but they have a soft corner for Mqm. Keeping in mind that Altaf couldn't have terrorized karachi without the ground support of Mqm, its Mqm Pakistan who killed people on the directions of altaf. Altaf is still active and so as his ideological followers just hiding under different banners and mostly under Pti banner and as long as Pti is beneficiar, They won't mind it. even many PTM supporters have voted for i.k just due to his ethnicity.

 

[SQ8]

You got me wrong their, Pti leadership may not have a policy of supporting altaf but they have a soft corner for Mqm. Keeping in mind that Altaf couldn't have terrorized karachi without the ground support of Mqm, its Mqm Pakistan who killed people on the directions of altaf. Altaf is still active and so as his ideological followers just hiding under different banners and mostly under Pti banner and as long as Pti is beneficiar, They won't mind it. even many PTM supporters have voted for i.k just due to his ethnicity.

Who has a soft corner for MQM?
Are you suggesting that PTI supporting representation from educated middle class of Karachi automatically implies protection for them?
By that inference PTI also supported Taliban which has been alleged and PML(N) supports terrorism in Punjab as it aligns with religious extremists for elections.

 

[jupiter2007]

Thats why i said to mentee, that Altaf is alive, mqm is alive, Pti is their current shelter and they never forget their cause. before operation during final days of mqm reign it was not even in a control of Altaf himself. and sub-group had turned against each other. They lost many old city area to Aman committee in the process.

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You got me wrong their, Pti leadership may not have a policy of supporting altaf but they have a soft corner for Mqm. Keeping in mind that Altaf couldn't have terrorized karachi without the ground support of Mqm, its Mqm Pakistan who killed people on the directions of altaf. Altaf is still active and so as his ideological followers just hiding under different banners and mostly under Pti banner and as long as Pti is beneficiar, They won't mind it. even many PTM supporters have voted for i.k just due to his ethnicity.

What kind of dump stupid crap is this? Do you even read your own $hit?

 

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Who has a soft corner for MQM?
Are you suggesting that PTI supporting representation from educated middle class of Karachi automatically implies protection for them?
By that inference PTI also supported Taliban which has been alleged and PML(N) supports terrorism in Punjab as it aligns with religious extremists for elections.

Educated middle class, What a generalizing term and a decade back I.K use to defend Mqm by using that middle class notion. Mqm is just a segment of middle class not representing them as a whole. but its surprising how the Pti have a soft corner for a party who killed some Thousands of people. I wonder what Liyari have felt when they realized that this very same Mqm going to be an ally of Pti in government. As far as religious extremism is concerned what goes around comes around.who ever support will eventually be the victim someday.

 

[SQ8]

Educated middle class, What a generalizing term and a decade back I.K use to defend Mqm by using that middle class notion. Mqm is just a segment of middle class not representing them as a whole. but its surprising how the Pti have a soft corner for a party who killed some Thousands of people. I wonder what Liyari have felt when they realized that this very same Mqm going to be an ally of Pti in government. As far as religious extremism is concerned what goes around comes around.who ever support will eventually be the victim someday.

But what proof is there that it is the same section of educated middile class that supported MQM and now supports PTI that are all terrorists and hence traitors?
Be it from section by vote, ethnicity or economic status- there is no proof or even dots beside hypothesis and conjecture that the MQM base was all bad or that all MQM leadership is bad that has shifted to PTI.

 

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But what proof is there that it is the same section of educated middile class that supported MQM and now supports PTI that are all terrorists and hence traitors?
Be it from section by vote, ethnicity or economic status- there is no proof or even dots beside hypothesis and conjecture that the MQM base was all bad or that all MQM leadership is bad that has shifted to PTI.

And you are saying this sir oscar, literally tell me how many of those leaders got convicted for those crimes or even have gone through a trial, not even a single of them. Now don't tell me that they don't know about the terror setup of Mqm. They facilitated the terror reign and nothing happens against them. Even people use to defend them as calling the all allegations as hypothesis and propaganda against Altaf bhai but in a single night they suddenly realized that Altaf is a traitor and all allegations were true. Sorry but even thinking about that makes me laugh.

 

[SQ8]

And you are saying this sir oscar, literally tell me how many of those leaders got convicted for those crimes or even have gone through a trial, not even a single of them. Now don't tell me that they don't know about the terror setup of Mqm. They facilitated the terror reign and nothing happens against them. Even people use to defend them as calling the all allegations as hypothesis and propaganda against Altaf bhai but in a single night they suddenly realized that Altaf is a traitor and all allegations were true. Sorry but even thinking about that makes laugh.

Absolutely not. Infact I personally know the level of connection MQM Pakistan still has with Altaf and its based upon Altaf’s control over local thugs.
The rabita committee was beaten to a pulp by MQM workers because Altaf Hussain started crying on the phone.
That is the level of control they have.
You want an Indian visa? The short man can get you one in a week.

But for that you have to understand the breed that is the politician. They work for their interests and power, if that means working for Altaf or Imran is irrelevant to them.

 

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Absolutely not. Infact I personally know the level of connection MQM Pakistan still has with Altaf and its based upon Altaf’s control over local thugs.
The rabita committee was beaten to a pulp by MQM workers because Altaf Hussain started crying on the phone.
That is the level of control they have.
You want an Indian visa? The short man can get you one in a week.

But for that you have to understand the breed that is the politician. They work for their interests and power, if that means working for Altaf or Imran is irrelevant to them.

Yup! They still miss their good old days when they were in control of the city, you think they just disappear suddenly, with an each short man their is a family and associates that are always ready to fight once you make the mockery of Altaf in front of them, Do you think they all just disappeared suddenly? They are all here quietly observing the situation and playing from another line-up. I don't say all Pti or Mqm supporters are bad or criminals but that significant breed and their associates are here.