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How Modi turned India into a CPEC loser.

Look at the people who thanked the posts.

Since I'm the only one so far who has thanked all of his posts on this thread, you must be talking about me? :undecided:

Lol this lot will suicide bomb our @$$ given a chance and they apparently want us to do major business with them haha. funny indeed.

I am not in the method of understanding your train of logical propositions, my old friend.
 
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Since I'm the only one so far who has thanked all of his posts on this thread, you must be talking about me? :undecided:



I am not in the method of understanding your train of logical propositions, my old friend.

Yes my friend I was referring to you. Pakistanis being anti Modi is not surprising, but a Chinese being one is very surprising since CCP and Modi have better relationship than our previous govt n all.

As for the second part, India and Pakistan has a lot of problems they hate us we hate them hence, the suggestion of Op saying we invest in their economy, do major business etc with them is funny because even if Pak govt allowed it their army will never allow it. And India investing a lot of money in Pakistan is just plain risky. We have been investing in Iran's and Afghanistan's economy though which is a better option for us at the moment.
 
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Lol this lot will suicide bomb our @$$ given a chance and they apparently want us to do major business with them haha. funny indeed. Look at the people who thanked the posts. Any thing to insult Modi goes in this forum. Guess Modi is doing a brilliant job. I dint even like Modi before but seeing all the butt hurt, he is the best thing what happened to India in a long time :p

Indeed. The truth is that Pakistan itself do not want any trade relation with India. Though trade will benefit both the nations, but government will not allow that because of anti-India sentiments. It will hurt them pollitically.
 
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Yes my friend I was referring to you. Pakistanis being anti Modi is not surprising, but a Chinese being one is very surprising since CCP and Modi have better relationship than our previous govt n all.

As for the second part, India and Pakistan has a lot of problems they hate us we hate them hence, the suggestion of Op saying we invest in their economy, do major business etc with them is funny because even if Pak govt allowed it their army will never allow it. And India investing a lot of money in Pakistan is just plain risky. We have been investing in Iran's and Afghanistan's economy though which is a better option for us at the moment.

I don't hate anyone, not any country, and not any national leader such as Modi. :P

This is geopolitics.

India is trying to bypass Pakistan by running pipelines through Northwest China, and even trying to run an "undersea" pipeline to Iran. Taking the long route to avoid Pakistan's sea zones.

By trying to bypass Pakistan you are taking routes that are extremely inefficient.
 
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CPEC is a part of Chinese plan of one belt - one road strategy. It benefits more to Chinese economy. CPEC has no benefit what so ever for India because India too is connected to Arabian sea.What will benefit India more is Pakistan opening its economy to Indian investment and its market to Indian companies, and also opening trade routes to Afghanistan.

IPI and TAPI are not that important either...Iran is not that far away from India and ships can get oil and gas to India or even a under ocean pipeline is pretty viable.
 
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I don't hate anyone, not any country, and not any national leader such as Modi. :P

This is geopolitics.

India is trying to bypass Pakistan by running pipelines through Northwest China, and even trying to run an "undersea" pipeline to Iran. Taking the long route to avoid Pakistan's sea zones.

By trying to bypass Pakistan you are taking routes that are extremely inefficient.

I agree it is extremely inefficient. But we don't have an other option now, since Pakistan does not want peace or willing to put Kashmir aside for a while also last I heard they even backed out of the pipe line project. Better to have pipe line through China than Pakistan IMHO. India is ready to over look Kashmir issues and talk peace but Pakistanis are not, so we have no other go.
 
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I don't hate anyone, not any country, and not any national leader such as Modi. :P

This is geopolitics.

India is trying to bypass Pakistan by running pipelines through Northwest China, and even trying to run an "undersea" pipeline to Iran. Taking the long route to avoid Pakistan's sea zones.

By trying to bypass Pakistan you are taking routes that are extremely inefficient.

Its but obvious that India is taking inefficient routes and much expensive too (under sea pipeline). But that is the only solution.
Firstly, because India doesnt want something like A pipeline through pakistan. We have fought 4 wars already. Nobody knows when the next one starts. so its obvious India wont take chances.

And secondly, lets suppouse India did agreed for pipelines and all. But then pakistan itself will not allow India. Even if the govt of Pakistan wanted to open up trade with India, it will not do so beacuse of the internal political reasons and the Pakistan army.
and examples are already there, Pakistan dont allow India to export to Afganistan though its land routes, and then there is MFN status issue.
So, saying that India is losing because it is not participating in CPEC is not right factually. As there Is no Option for India to participate in CPEC.
 
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I don't hate anyone, not any country, and not any national leader such as Modi. :P

This is geopolitics.

India is trying to bypass Pakistan by running pipelines through Northwest China, and even trying to run an "undersea" pipeline to Iran. Taking the long route to avoid Pakistan's sea zones.

By trying to bypass Pakistan you are taking routes that are extremely inefficient.

Maybe China Bank can finance IPI and also TAPI projects. If China is involved in this then it will ensure that Pakistan will not sabotage these projects during the time of war.
 
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however the short sighted and bigoted government lead by Modi is either too stupid or too ignorant or both to see this in the greater interest of India

He is neither stupid nor ignorant, it is just that he is now in a position to fulfill a dream that he was made to believe since his childhood. Congress did a very good job with presenting a false image of India and its society, but I pray this man stays alive enough to shatter that image and real Indian image is shown to world.

For CPEC Pakistan should totally ignore India, just monitor their sabotage activities and reply proactively, we have nothing to loose by Indian non participation, its always the haters who are the losers in the end, that is what Modi is working on for India.
 
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I agree it is extremely inefficient. But we don't have an other option now, since Pakistan does not want peace or willing to put Kashmir aside for a while also last I heard they even backed out of the pipe line project. Better to have pipe line through China than Pakistan IMHO. India is ready to over look Kashmir issues and talk peace but Pakistanis are not, so we have no other go.

One of the plans of Chinese was to include India in one way or other in CPEC. CPEC is a part of larger plan of one belt and one road policy with China as the hub and other countries around it as spokes. India was not interested in one belt and one road policy, and I will be surprised if India will be interested in CPEC.

IPI and TAPI, although not essential, have more benefits for India than CPEC. Pakistan will not allow India any transit to Afghanistan. The better strategy is expand our network into East Asia and make Chahbar India's hub to energy rich Iran and Central Asia.
 
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By trying to bypass Pakistan you are taking routes that are extremely inefficient.

That would be because there is no real choice. Pakistan is not a viable choice. Pipelines in any case are not absolutely necessary on any urgent basis. Not at this oil price.

India's objection to CEPC is both about alignment & China own position on any Indian activity in the S.China sea. China says that the area is disputed & therefore it is not correct for India to get involved, India uses the same point for this project.
 
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India could have been a larger beneficiary of CPEC had it not been for the utterly stupid and misguided policies of its current Hindutva regime lead by Modi for following reasons.

  • CPEC's far eastern alignment already connects India via Lahore and Sialkot, therefore only an upgrade to the infrastructure and construction of a dry port would have been needed to link India with CPEC.

  • CPEC would have ensured India's gas link with IP and TAPI which now are highly unlikely.

  • India could have had a permanent trade route via ground with China, Afghanistan, all of Central Asia, Iran, even Turkey.

  • Had India invested in CPEC, Pakistan would have taken it positively and relations would have improved. Instead Modi is busy investing in terrorism.

  • Pakistan would have liked to sell its coal or gas produced out of coal reserves in Thar to India. Coal projects are now underway as part of the CPEC project.

  • Investing in CPEC would have allowed greater market integration with India, interdependence between Pakistan and India would create something to lose for both countries, hence improving relations would become a necessity not a show off.

  • CPEC with Indian investment could have created more logistical routes which India and Pakistan could have used for conducting trade. India could have also used the same routes to trade with other countries linked to CPEC project i.e connecting Lahore with major Indian cities across the border.

    There are a number of other possibilities i,e an upgraded railway freight system etc since India has good experience with railway engines and transit. Pakistan is open to India joining CPEC, however the short sighted and bigoted government lead by Modi is either too stupid or too ignorant or both to see this in the greater interest of India. They have not only missed the boat but are busy investing in funding proxies in Pakistan to somehow subvert this mega project. This is enough for me to say that India is in wrong hands.
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Its a well drafted post ,wish I could do the same.
The crux of the post are 1)Trade and 2)Route
Regarding trade this is the stated position of Pakistan.

During a meeting organised by Federation of Indian Chamber of Commerce and Industry (FICCI), Pakistan High Commissioner Abdul Basit said that even though Pakistan had been given the status of MFN by India in 1996, it was not very helpful for the country as the balance of trade remained greatly inclined in favour of India.

“Giving India the MFN status would have further sharpened the imbalance in favour of India,” Basit said

And regarding the second point which is land route or connectivity.
Refusing to sign a motor vehicle agreement and to open up the road link for India and Afghanistan, Pakistan has asked India to carry out trade via the Karachi port .

Afghan President Ashraf Ghani told the Pakistani leadership that if they do not open up the road to India, they will deny Pakistan access to Central Asia.

If one looks it from a Indian point of view ,we have not lost anything because all these where tried before and we have not achieved anything in the past.

Yes when economies of two countries integrate, the trust increases and disputes comedown.and that has always been India's stand ,but its Pakistan's stand of revolving the disputes and then trade.
 
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That would be because there is no real choice. Pakistan is not a viable choice. Pipelines in any case are not absolutely necessary on any urgent basis. Not at this oil price.

India's object to CEPC is both about alignment & China own position to any Indian activity in the S.China sea. China says that the are is disputed & therefore it is not correct for India to get involved, India uses the same point for this project.
There are many projects that are concieved some materialize some don't. Pakistan keeps coming back with something of other that gives them feeling that they have hit jackpot. Most of this jackpots are someone else's projects. I see them as a country that does not believe in hard work. About what India will do is for us to see, there are always options available and game is not lost as it is been made out to be. Also, I have high confidence on self goal by Pakistan.
 
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Where did I talk about attack? I meant harshly in diplomacy not war or something. Indians will of course vote for someone who is better for India not someone better for Pakistan. If Pakistan really wanted peace she would not have invited third party. Again you can all call Modi names but right now he is way better than any of our previous PMs and he was the best option in the election. Any how your forum your rules, I was just stating facts. Enjoy.

Wake up baby. Pakistani PM first went to India for peace. Pakistani PM went to modi for celebration. Pakistan had tried so many dialogues to defuse issue. But India and India both are truely something. When Pakistan try to have peace with India they were paying TTP, BLA, mqm to destabilise Pakistan. When Pakistani PM went for peace, your country started to make up yourself a super power of the region.

Now today whole India is talking about war, short term war. Stop your dilution. You Indian give vote on anti Pakistan stand. Start jumping to give beneficial reply to Pakistan . the question which Pakistan never ask .

You reap what you crop.

Also tell your nation, no body can stop CPEC. No boarder firing, no shirt term war. We will make it happen. Whole Pakistan is behind it.
 
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Delhi Mumbai Industrial corridor is much more important than this CPEC
 
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