How Many Times do We have to Hear about the Peaceful 99% of Muslims?

[VCheng]

The "Enlightenment" you speak of didn't take hold until a third of Europeans died in the Thirty Years' War, followed by another couple of million in the century after that, culminating in the two World Wars that killed something like fifty million people. Do you really want "Islam" going "through the same phase" Christianity did?

It is not a matter of what I want Sir. It is more a matter of just how bloody the process can be, at times. We are already talking of at least hundreds of thousands dead, and the process has only just begun.

 

[Solomon2]

It is not a matter of what I want Sir. It is more a matter of just how bloody the process can be, at times. We are already talking of at least hundreds of thousands dead, and the process has only just begun.

This is my beef with Pakistan's educated classes: they could do a lot more to tell their fellows the truth, but they'd rather enrich themselves by promoting ignorance and pushing responsibility for their country upon others. Yes, it's risky to denounce Islamism - or Islam - and promote Israel, America, and democracy. But who says we're entitled to a risk free life if we want to see good done in this world?

 

[Hiptullha]

After years of reading this forum I never doubted that ISIS would become the wave of the future, nor that Pakistanis would become enthusiastic/acquiescent participants in its growth. There has been very little effort to develop a counter-ideology to Islamic extremism. The Sauds are trying but they are hampered by the fact ISIS promotes the same Wahhabi ideology they do - they're competitors, not ideological opponents - and are trying to avoid at all costs embracing the democratic ideals and values that would be effective as the same ideals promote Israel and undermine the Sauds' own legitimacy.

Arab nationalism was crushed after the joint Saudi and US sponsored invasions of Iraq, and Libya. The last bastion of Arab nationalism, the only counter to Wahabism is Syria. Notice how America is still desperately trying to pretend they're funding "moderate" fighters.

 

[VCheng]

This is my beef with Pakistan's educated classes: they could do a lot more to tell their fellows the truth, but they'd rather enrich themselves by promoting ignorance and pushing responsibility for their country upon others. Yes, it's risky to denounce Islamism - or Islam - and promote Israel, America, and democracy. But who says we're entitled to a risk free life if we want to see good done in this world?

There is not much you have said above with which I can disagree, Sir.

 

[Hiptullha]

This is my beef with Pakistan's educated classes: they could do a lot more to tell their fellows the truth, but they'd rather enrich themselves by promoting ignorance and pushing responsibility for their country upon others. Yes, it's risky to denounce Islamism - or Islam - and promote Israel, America, and democracy. But who says we're entitled to a risk free life if we want to see good done in this world?

Promoting America and "democracy" is even riskier. Thing about the US is, it's not guided by principles. They're the sleaziest, most opportunistic predators of the modern day world. Their "democracy" and their "principles" are guided by oil and global hegemony. One day, you could be their greatest supporter, and the next day, a terrorist.

Yeah sorry,saudis mullahs lead the sunni sects..iranian mullahs the shia sects.But one thing about the shia sects is that they stay in the neighbourhood..meaning they don't create trouble outside the middle east whereas salafi-wahabi radicals creating trouble worldwide.Iranians on the other hand overseas are charming and cultured people and integrate well.

Iranians had been operating in Iraq, Lebanon, and Syria for a long time.

 

[utraash]

Bhuddist of S Lanka and Mynamar have done pretty nasty things in the recent past.


Bhuddist of S Lanka have taken down Tamilian Hindus and Christaians as if there was no end.

Bhuddists of Mynamar are forking rohingas as if there is no end.

Brother I know you have no soft corner for terrorists or extremist.... But cant compare Buddhist extremism(Except two examples) to others .... Buddhist still remains peaceful throughout their history since the inception whereas Muslims has very long history of bloodshed from day one so i feel bit unfair on your part to think Buddhist case is comparable.... Sametime I believe there must be zero percent tolerance against any form of violence or extremism n I am sure Buddhist or dharmic followers will remain peaceful......

 

[FaujHistorian]

After years of reading this forum I never doubted that ISIS would become the wave of the future, nor that Pakistanis would become enthusiastic/acquiescent participants in its growth. There has been very little effort to develop a counter-ideology to Islamic extremism. The Sauds are trying but they are hampered by the fact ISIS promotes the same Wahhabi ideology they do - they're competitors, not ideological opponents - and are trying to avoid at all costs embracing the democratic ideals and values that would be effective as the same ideals promote Israel and undermine the Sauds' own legitimacy.

bro

you mix cultures and regions as if they are made of play-dough

Arab Jews behave pretty much the same way their Muslim and Christian Arab counterparts from the same socio-economic grouping.
Indian Jews behave pretty much the same way their Muslim and Christian Indian counterparts from the same socio-economic grouping.
West European Jews behave pretty much the same way their Christian W. Euro counterparts from the same socio-economic grouping.
West European Jews behave pretty much the same way their Christian E. Euro counterparts from the same socio-economic grouping.

The same thing can be applicable to Muslim and Indians and Buddhists.

Mynamar Buddhists are no match for peace and democracy compared to the European Buddhists


So please do not mix and match to fit a narrow tunnel like Mullah vision that groups every damned Muslim from across the globe.

Because they are all different and majority of them are all worried about their daily existence in a very similar fashion as any other believer.

peace

 

[Hulk]

I feel that 1% number is lower the percentage is higher. We are only counting terrorist but ignoring those who support them financially or through other means shelter etc. This is big worry for world. I hope they change but they come across a religious group that are highly intolerant towards others.

Lets take example of Pakistan
Lets say only 1% of them are violent but rest of them are peaceful. Don't they have laws against other religion, does it only take 1% to create those laws? So I do not think it is 1% maybe 1% will come in open but there is a big lot which will support this 1% in different ways.

Look at the states where they are in majority most of the time they will have laws based on religion and in some cases they do not allow others to practice their religion. I am not sure if I can remember any Muslim majority country where they do not have laws in favor of their religion. Maybe Turkey, but can anyone tell me how many countries are Muslim Majority and how many of them have given equal right to their minorities? Can someone please post some figures?

The other thing is some of them are more loyal to their religion than their country, look at the example below. This worries me, since this is very important when people live in same country.

 

[FaujHistorian]

This is my beef with Pakistan's educated classes: they could do a lot more to tell their fellows the truth, but they'd rather enrich themselves by promoting ignorance and pushing responsibility for their country upon others. Yes, it's risky to denounce Islamism - or Islam - and promote Israel, America, and democracy. But who says we're entitled to a risk free life if we want to see good done in this world?

Actually Islamism has made us all poorer. Much poorer.

 

[VCheng]

Actually Islamism has made us all poorer. Much poorer.

It has made the Muslims at large poorer, yes, but some sections of the elite have made off like bandits, literally and figuratively speaking.

 

[FaujHistorian]

It has made the Muslims at large poorer, yes, but some sections of the elite have made off like bandits, literally and figuratively speaking.

perhaps in America that's true.

I feel that 1% number is lower the percentage is higher.

yaara

make it 2%

happy now.

 

[jbond197]

Bhuddist of S Lanka and Mynamar have done pretty nasty things in the recent past.


Bhuddist of S Lanka have taken down Tamilian Hindus and Christaians as if there was no end.

Bhuddists of Mynamar are forking rohingas as if there is no end.

I thought you were talking about period greater than 60 years. At least I guess that's what you told other folks and you yourself are putting forth examples of the same 60 years timeframe.why??

 

[Sugarcane]

That's good - It's enough of double face. Openly declare crusade now.

 

[kadamba-warrior]

Bhai

you are reading 60+ years of history and fitting the whole darn tradition of 10000 of years.

Before 1947 August 15 birth, Indian subcontinent had enclaves and princely states for every major ethnic and religious group.

And such enclaves and states were tolerated by the Muslim kings either through tax money or through marriages.

Hinduism and Bhuddism can be equally nasty when it comes to ethnic cleansing.

In East Punjab, Muslims Punjabis were almost 50+% before August 1947.
Now they are down to zero percent.

Bihar and UP didn't go through 100% cleansing and so you find lots of Muslims there.

You should know that East Punjabi Muslims moved (or had to move) to Pakistan. You are saying that as if they were all religiously cleansed! And it all happened due to an avoidable decision to partition the country based on religion alone. If there was no partition, they would still be in Punjab (may be more % of them)!!!

Also, you insist that 50% of East Punjabi Muslims were religiously cleansed, while ignoring the plight of West Punjabi Sikhs/Hindus totally. Even today, whatever % of them are left in Punjab and the whole of Pakistan (and in Bangladesh), continue to face a real religious cleansing on a daily basis and continue to live as second class citizens!

Anyway, we digressed! My whole point is not about Muslims alone, the Christians have also been equally guilty of the same crime in Indian Sub-continent (and many more places around the world)!

Goa, anyone!?

 

[Fukuoka]

Salomon the zionist snake again calling for genocide.
Message behind 99% of the muslims full of hatred = kill them all

Go take back your Shohoax fairy tale