How many Pakistani members on this website respect Ahmadis?

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

Well if some Ahmadis can please share with us what the Mr Ahmadi Leader (Massiah) of Muslims has done for Muslims in Pakistan would love to know?

a) Where was he in Kashmir wars
b) Where was he in Afghan refugee crisis
c) Where was he in Iraq - Libya - Syrian wars
d) Where was he is situation floods came to Pakistan
e) Where was he when there was famine in Somalia
f) Where was he when Sudan went thru sanctions etc
g) What did he do during WOT in Pakistan
h) Why is he not present in Palestine doing his stuff


The concept of Massiah or Mahdi etc is someone who unites people into a single cause
and a long duration of peace and no wars , clearly war are happening randomly across the globe

May be he just wants to have the title but not actually do the stuff to Unite Muslims


Mirza Ghulam Ahmad established the movement on 23 March 1889 by formally accepting allegiance from his supporters. Since his death, the Community has been led by a number of Caliphs and has spread to 210 countries and territories of the world as of 2017 with concentrations in South Asia, West Africa, East Africa, and Indonesia. The Ahmadis have a strong missionary tradition and formed the first Muslim missionary organization to arrive in Britain and other Western countries.Currently, the Community is led by its Caliph, Mirza Masroor Ahmad, and is estimated to number between 10 and 20 million worldwide.

 

[lastofthepatriots]

Well if some Ahmadis can please share with us what the Mr Ahmadi Leader (Massiah) of Muslims has done for Muslims in Pakistan would love to know?

a) Where was he in Kashmir wars
b) Where was he in Afghan refugee crisis
c) Where was he in Iraq - Libya - Syrian wars
d) Where was he is situation floods came to Pakistan
e) Where was he when there was famine in Somalia
f) Where was he when Sudan went thru sanctions etc
g) What did he do during WOT in Pakistan
h) Why is he not present in Palestine doing his stuff


The concept of Massiah or Mahdi etc is someone who unites people into a single cause
and a long duration of peace and no wars , clearly war are happening randomly across the globe

May be he just wants to have the title but not actually do the stuff to Unite Muslims

Your points are fine, but they are not relevant to my thread. I am not here to disprove the Ahmadi faith. I already don't agree with it. But what I am asking is that should they not be given respect like Sikhs and Hindus of Pakistan? Why or why not?

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

I would not wish to be friends with Ahmadis if I see then walking around would feel sorry for them nothing more, and equally sorry for the children who will all be getting misguided teachings

 

[Zibago]

Some Pakistanis cannot fathom that there are people who do not follow the same interpretations as them. To them, there must always be some nefarious intention. They do not consider that maybe, perhaps, not everyone is satisfied by their religious arguments.

Then the other set of people just throw abuse and when you reply in kind, they start crying and swearing.

There doesn't seem to be any middle ground. I respect religious figures of other Pakistanis. While abusing Ahmadi religious figures is considered a national sport in Pakistan. Oh well...

I have been told by really educated blokes Ahmadis are everything from atheism peddling drug Lords to women selling zionists

"No"

Because their Leader while claiming to be the savior for Muslim cause has done nothing to showcase that he is who he claims to be


Their community Should be deprogrammed , and the misguided stuff should be "deleted"

You can disagree with their religion and be cool with them as a person

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

Nah I would avoid em, if there are regular muslims in my community why would I want to interact with cult

 

[CriticalThought]

The thing is that I follow pure Islam, and I see Ahmadis as heretics. I go by what my father said regarding Ahmadis during the time he served in the PAF. He said that they are good people and are the same as us, but they are just misguided people.

The issue I have with new Pakistani Muslim generation is they are willing to sit at Sikh gurdhwaras and throw powered color at each other for hindu holidays, yet treat Ahmadis negatively. Why the hypocrisy? At least I am up front in my beliefs. But these new wishy washy liberals of today are just munafiqs that don't even follow their deen. They are no different to the averge hindus of india.

Even the people of Hunza and Northern areas are more heretical than you Ahmedis. They are really not Muslim by any means because they are Ismaelis, but when it comes to sharing pictures of Pakistan's Northern Areas and the people to the world, they forget their biases. Ismaelis are not even your average Shia, they are literally heretics. I mean honestly, how fake can you be?

So what I wanted to ask people is that do you truly respect your minorities and their religions or no? I don't respect religion of Ahmadis but I don't disregard them as a people. I've recently seen videos of Pakistanis going into gurdhwaras and hindu temples, but I've yet to see people vlogging Ahmadis. So why the hypocrisy?

I believe its a case of 'Sharab peeta hoon magar khinzeer nahi khata, is liyey aadha Musalman hoon'. Whenever you see such split behavior, pray for the person so Allah shows them the right path. If he is doing something wrong, he shouldn't start doing everything wrong. If he considers something wrong which is actually wrong, then pray to Allah that he sees every wrong thing as it is.

 

[Rollno21]

One of most peaceful and progressive Muslims I have known

 

[Hamza913]

The thing is that I follow pure Islam, and I see Ahmadis as heretics. I go by what my father said regarding Ahmadis during the time he served in the PAF. He said that they are good people and are the same as us, but they are just misguided people.

The issue I have with new Pakistani Muslim generation is they are willing to sit at Sikh gurdhwaras and throw powered color at each other for hindu holidays, yet treat Ahmadis negatively. Why the hypocrisy? At least I am up front in my beliefs. But these new wishy washy liberals of today are just munafiqs that don't even follow their deen. They are no different to the averge hindus of india.

Even the people of Hunza and Northern areas are more heretical than you Ahmedis. They are really not Muslim by any means because they are Ismaelis, but when it comes to sharing pictures of Pakistan's Northern Areas and the people to the world, they forget their biases. Ismaelis are not even your average Shia, they are literally heretics. I mean honestly, how fake can you be?

So what I wanted to ask people is that do you truly respect your minorities and their religions or no? I don't respect religion of Ahmadis but I don't disregard them as a people. I've recently seen videos of Pakistanis going into gurdhwaras and hindu temples, but I've yet to see people vlogging Ahmadis. So why the hypocrisy?

This highlights my main issue with the way Pakistan/Pakistanis treat Qadianis. Are they technically Muslim? No, but neither are Shias or liberals yet almost nobody hammers down on them like they do with Qadianis (not saying that they should, but still).

The nifaq is sickening.

 

[Awan68]

Well Prophet Muhammad respected Kufars. Who am I not to respect any human on earth?

He didnt respect the kuffar in them only the human side, the kuffar he fought against.

 

[YeBeWarned]

As long as they are not spewing hate against Pakistan , I have no issue with them , they are minority same as Sikh , Christian and Hindu's in Pakistan and deserve their due rights and respect as one .

 

[Yaseen1]

Ahmedis are worst than other nonMuslims as they call themselves Muslims and do acts which are shameful and are regarded as totally false in Islam.It is like person not actually from army wearing army uniform and doing acts to defame army

 

[Awan68]

Ahmadis are not like other minorities, they are not like even the kuffar, Islam orders us to treat people of other faiths with respect and ensure the protection of their rights yet Ahmadis are not a simple minority group, they impose themselves on Islam and then deny one of the founding principles of Islam. They are imposters, the state of medina under Abu Bakr(ra) ensured rights of all minorities but when certain groups challanged the finality of Prophethood he crushed them with an iron hand. Whoever propogates respect for ahmadis, answer this? U knw better than Abu Bakr(ra)? How the hell can a muslim respect some one who rejects and disrespects Prophet Muhammad( SAW).?

 

[Desert Fox]

I've noticed a lot of the liberal Pakistanis on this website showing love for Christians, Sikhs, and Hindus that are Pakistani. Do you guys share the same love for Ahmadis?

I find it ironic when a lot of you people show all of this love to minority religions, but then go on to insult and criticize them.

Maybe it's time for a lot of you brain dead sheep to either accept that you follow western trends or follow the basic principles of your religion.

The issue I have with new Pakistani Muslim generation is they are willing to sit at Sikh gurdhwaras and throw powered color at each other for hindu holidays, yet treat Ahmadis negatively. Why the hypocrisy?

So what I wanted to ask people is that do you truly respect your minorities and their religions or no?

I've recently seen videos of Pakistanis going into gurdhwaras and hindu temples, but I've yet to see people vlogging Ahmadis. So why the hypocrisy?

So you're pointing out the hypocrisy of many Pakistanis, but I'm sure anyone by now is aware that hypocrisy is one ingredient that our society does not lack.

I have observed the same two face nature:

1) Many Pakistanis will bad mouth Shias and Ahmedis. In fact i have even heard some people say to NEVER drink water from a Shia's home.

2) But these same people will fall head over heels to prove to foreigners how "tolerant" and "diverse" Pakistani society is. Are Ahmedis and Shias not a part of this "diversity"?

Foreigners should start playing pranks on these people by pretending to be Shias or Ahmedis and propose for marriage with their son or daughter. Then we will see their true "tolerance".

I've recently seen videos of Pakistanis going into gurdhwaras and hindu temples, but I've yet to see people vlogging Ahmadis. So why the hypocrisy?

It's all about viewership and subscriber base to generate an income. This is the social media generation and they will do anything on screen to make money. You can give thanks to globalization for this.

 

[The Sandman]

They're fellow Pakistanis and have done a lot for this country so they should be respected like every Pakistani. As far as their religious beliefs are concerned you can either avoid it and let Allah decide or you can engage them in debate in a civilized way. Problem is we start the discussion by first calling them kafir which closes every possibility of any positive outcome takfir should be avoided esp for those who believe in Allah and his messenger.

neither are Shias

You can't be serious...

 

[Valar.]

I respect people because of personality.

Among Pakistanis, I respect people who are Pakistani first and anything else later on.

As for Ahmediyas. I respect and feel pity for them as they have been punching bag for far too long.

Though my favourite are always Atheists/Agnostics (like myself).

Among Muslims, I have much more respect for Quranists than anyone else because these are the people who have atleast studied the book thoroughly which they believe unlike others and till try to find hidden gems/meanings from there.