How many Pakistani members on this website respect Ahmadis?

[Nasr]

It is NOT a question of respect at all. And you cannot compare Christians and Jews to qadiyanis. It is crucial that Pakistani Muslims understand the subject matter first, before venturing into the realm of respect. The very foundation of Islam is based on the declaration that there is no God but Allah Subhanaho Wata'aalah and Muhammad Sallallaho Alaihi Wassallam is the FINAL Prophet, i.e Khatim-un-Nabiyen. So you see where the issue stands with these qaidyanis, where they claim to be Muslim, yet they are standing on KUFR which challenges the very foundation of the Muslim faith. Jews had their own Prophet, as did the Christians, so making a comparison between them and these qadiyanis is the most absurd reasoning one can come up with.

Respect is sign of acceptance, and that means that you have now put your own faith in jeopardy, big time.

The way to deal with this qadiyani pestilence is straight forward, by bringing them to a formal civil hearing. Discuss the matter with them and explain to them that they are welcome as part of Pakistan's citizens, based on one of two choices. Either accept Islam of your own free will, declaring that Nabi Muhammad Alaihi Salaat-u-Wassalam is Khatim-un-Nabiyen and we formally welcome you into the fold of Islam as true brothers and sisters. Or if stand to your blasphemous belief that Mirza Ghulam Ahmad was a Prophet of Allah Subhanaho Wata'aalah. Then qadiyanis are declared disbelievers and will be classified the same as hindus are, which is kafir.

Once this is official, and the act is constitutionally accepted as law. Moving forward, nationally and internationally, qadiyanis are declared non-Muslim Citizens of Pakistan with the right to exist peacefully as non-Muslims. If however any non-Muslim chose to defame, blaspheme, disrespect or malign the image of Islam. Then that individual or group shall be declared as an enemy of the state. As a result, would be summoned to the Courth of Justice, tried according to the law of the Pakistan and given sentencing based on the judicial results.

At times when a group or individuals choose to defy the law of the state, is when they feel they're being treated unfairly. Well that road goes both ways, where the laws are designed to protect the state, it's people and it's faith.

 

[I.R.A]

I have held my allegations against Mr. Ghulam Ahmed Mirza and have never gotten any answer ever ....

• Proof of his prophet hood purely in light of Quran and from Quran (he did not bring any new divine revelation and Qadianis believe in Quran). Regarding traditions / narrations, Mr Mirza himself said "Ahadees wo pitara hy jiss may say jo chahy nikal lo"
• If he is not prophet then why did he divide Muslims based on a fairy tale of coming of a fictional character (there is full fledged thread running on Mahdi, people literally saying bus ajj ay kal ayy) ? He (Mr Mirza) is to blame for creating a new sect (but people who are themselves divided into sects, how would they know the seriousness of this).

My disagreements with Mr Ghulam Ahmed aside, my relation and dealing with Qadianis is purely based on how I would deal with any other human. I am not insecure neither I am threatened by what they believe. I am all ears.

Plus I would again reiterate my difference with people who advocate killing of Qadianis. My question to them remains ..... there is no punishment for apostate in Quran .......... even if you don't agree with that (because you seem to hold men made narrations above Quran) but still how can a born Qadiani be called an apostate per your beliefs? Remember its been more than century since this started.

 

[HAIDER]

I do, as long as they don t discuss religion...or any type of religious preaching.

 

[AfrazulMandal]

It is NOT a question of respect at all. And you cannot compare Christians and Jews to qadiyanis. It is crucial that Pakistani Muslims understand the subject matter first, before venturing into the realm of respect. The very foundation of Islam is based on the declaration that there is no God but Allah Subhanaho Wata'aalah and Muhammad Sallallaho Alaihi Wassallam is the FINAL Prophet, i.e Khatim-un-Nabiyen. So you see where the issue stands with these qaidyanis, where they claim to be Muslim, yet they are standing on KUFR which challenges the very foundation of the Muslim faith. Jews had their own Prophet, as did the Christians, so making a comparison between them and these qadiyanis is the most absurd reasoning one can come up with.

Respect is sign of acceptance, and that means that you have now put your own faith in jeopardy, big time.

The way to deal with this qadiyani pestilence is straight forward, by bringing them to a formal civil hearing. Discuss the matter with them and explain to them that they are welcome as part of Pakistan's citizens, based on one of two choices. Either accept Islam of your own free will, declaring that Nabi Muhammad Alaihi Salaat-u-Wassalam is Khatim-un-Nabiyen and we formally welcome you into the fold of Islam as true brothers and sisters. Or if stand to your blasphemous belief that Mirza Ghulam Ahmad was a Prophet of Allah Subhanaho Wata'aalah. Then qadiyanis are declared disbelievers and will be classified the same as hindus are, which is kafir.

Once this is official, and the act is constitutionally accepted as law. Moving forward, nationally and internationally, qadiyanis are declared non-Muslim Citizens of Pakistan with the right to exist peacefully as non-Muslims. If however any non-Muslim chose to defame, blaspheme, disrespect or malign the image of Islam. Then that individual or group shall be declared as an enemy of the state. As a result, would be summoned to the Courth of Justice, tried according to the law of the Pakistan and given sentencing based on the judicial results.

At times when a group or individuals choose to defy the law of the state, is when they feel they're being treated unfairly. Well that road goes both ways, where the laws are designed to protect the state, it's people and it's faith.

Ahmedis are very different from Hindus.
The former still believe in One God.
While Hindus are pagans.

 

[Musafir117]

Jahalat , should not be allowed to grow , when you have wisdom of knowledge in hand.

Ever heard Abu Jahil? You sound familiar to him. The question you asked in other post a very weak student of history know how Ahmdis worked for cause of creation of Pakistan the Kashmir issue and Palestine issue. The Iraq Syria Afghanistan are the result of your Umma bad intentions a strong slap on your right and left cheek, so why crying and complaining Ahmdis didn’t move?
Are they having any Govt?
Stupid.

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

It is NOT a question of respect at all. And you cannot compare Christians and Jews to qadiyanis. It is crucial that Pakistani Muslims understand the subject matter first, before venturing into the realm of respect. The very foundation of Islam is based on the declaration that there is no God but Allah Subhanaho Wata'aalah and Muhammad Sallallaho Alaihi Wassallam is the FINAL Prophet, i.e Khatim-un-Nabiyen. So you see where the issue stands with these qaidyanis, where they claim to be Muslim, yet they are standing on KUFR which challenges the very foundation of the Muslim faith. Jews had their own Prophet, as did the Christians, so making a comparison between them and these qadiyanis is the most absurd reasoning one can come up with.

Respect is sign of acceptance, and that means that you have now put your own faith in jeopardy, big time.

The way to deal with this qadiyani pestilence is straight forward, by bringing them to a formal civil hearing. Discuss the matter with them and explain to them that they are welcome as part of Pakistan's citizens, based on one of two choices. Either accept Islam of your own free will, declaring that Nabi Muhammad Alaihi Salaat-u-Wassalam is Khatim-un-Nabiyen and we formally welcome you into the fold of Islam as true brothers and sisters. Or if stand to your blasphemous belief that Mirza Ghulam Ahmad was a Prophet of Allah Subhanaho Wata'aalah. Then qadiyanis are declared disbelievers and will be classified the same as hindus are, which is kafir.

Once this is official, and the act is constitutionally accepted as law. Moving forward, nationally and internationally, qadiyanis are declared non-Muslim Citizens of Pakistan with the right to exist peacefully as non-Muslims. If however any non-Muslim chose to defame, blaspheme, disrespect or malign the image of Islam. Then that individual or group shall be declared as an enemy of the state. As a result, would be summoned to the Courth of Justice, tried according to the law of the Pakistan and given sentencing based on the judicial results.

At times when a group or individuals choose to defy the law of the state, is when they feel they're being treated unfairly. Well that road goes both ways, where the laws are designed to protect the state, it's people and it's faith.

Exactly my view.

Believe what you want, no problem.

But don’t sully or attack the name of Pakistan in the West to gain favor with anti-Muslim groups.

 

[Imad.Khan]

Every person of good character should be respected irrespective of his religious beliefs.

Also remember our prophet was sent to us as a "Rahmat ul Allamin" not as "Rahmat ul Muslimin".

There is a famous saying " you catch more flies with honey than with vinegar". By cursing them and by being violent to them, you will never be able to make them see that they are misguided. Instead you will drive them further from Islam and then on the day of judgement, you will have to pay for this sin.

 

[El Sidd]

I've noticed a lot of the liberal Pakistanis on this website showing love for Christians, Sikhs, and Hindus that are Pakistani. Do you guys share the same love for Ahmadis?

I personally don't consider Ahmadis as Muslim and have a certain disdain for them since they understand the basics of Islam, yet I respect them as Pakistanis. I just consider them as misguided people. But I find it ironic when a lot of you people show all of this love to minority religions, but then go on to insult and criticize them.

Maybe it's time for a lot of you brain dead sheep to either accept that you follow western trends or follow the basic principles of your religion.

Interesting question.

Can you define what do you mean by 'respect'? How does one measure 'respect' in your understanding?

 

[Sugarcane]

The way to deal with this qadiyani pestilence is straight forward, by bringing them to a formal civil hearing. Discuss the matter with them and explain to them that they are welcome as part of Pakistan's citizens, based on one of two choices. Either accept Islam of your own free will, declaring that Nabi Muhammad Alaihi Salaat-u-Wassalam is Khatim-un-Nabiyen and we formally welcome you into the fold of Islam as true brothers and sisters. Or if stand to your blasphemous belief that Mirza Ghulam Ahmad was a Prophet of Allah Subhanaho Wata'aalah. Then qadiyanis are declared disbelievers and will be classified the same as hindus are, which is kafir.

Once this is official, and the act is constitutionally accepted as law. Moving forward, nationally and internationally, qadiyanis are declared non-Muslim Citizens of Pakistan with the right to exist peacefully as non-Muslims.

Looks like nobody told you that the suggestion you are giving already have happened in 1974. They were give floor of National assembly to debate, transcript of proceedings of NA sessions is available in book/digital form. They were declared non-Muslims with constitutional amendment. But still have rights less than other minorities.

 

[Nasr]

Ahmedis are very different from Hindus.
The former still believe in One God.
While Hindus are pagans.

That sentence in itself is a contradiction, the belief in One God (Allah Subhanaho Wata'aalah) is NOT VALID unless the belief in Final Prophet (Muhammad Alaihi Salaat-u-Wassalam) is declared. That is part of a Muslim's Qalimah-e-Shahadah. You're either a Muslim who belongs to the Ummah of Nabi Muhammad Alaihi Salaat-u-Wassalam or you're a non-Muslim. Jews believe in the One God, but they're part of the Ummah of Nabi Musa Alaihi Salam.

There is NO ONE, who can believe in the One God, ALLAH, without believing in Prophet Muhammad Alaihi Salaat-u-Wasalam.

This isn't anyone's personal choice, to change things around by saying we believe in one God, but not in Muhammad (Sallallaho Alaihi Wassallam). You don't get to decide that, because this the COMMAND OF ALLAH THAT THE BELIEF IS LA ILAHA ILLALLAH MUHAMMAD-U-RASOOLALLAH.

That's final and binding by GOD.

 

[AfrazulMandal]

That sentence in itself is a contradiction, the belief in One God (Allah Subhanaho Wata'aalah) is NOT VALID unless the belief in Final Prophet (Muhammad Alaihi Salaat-u-Wassalam) is declared. That is part of a Muslim's Qalimah-e-Shahadah. You're either a Muslim who belongs to the Ummah of Nabi Muhammad Alaihi Salaat-u-Wassalam or you're a non-Muslim. Jews believe in the One God, but they're part of the Ummah of Nabi Musa Alaihi Salam.

There is NO ONE, who can believe in the One God, ALLAH, without believing in Prophet Muhammad Alaihi Salaat-u-Wasalam.

This isn't anyone's personal choice, to change things around by saying we believe in one God, but not in Muhammad (Sallallaho Alaihi Wassallam). You don't get to decide that, because this the COMMAND OF ALLAH THAT THE BELIEF IS LA ILAHA ILLALLAH MUHAMMAD-U-RASOOLALLAH.

That's final and binding by GOD.

I agree. I never claimed they are Muslims.
My point is that they are not pagans either. They are also people of the book.

 

[Nasr]

Looks like nobody told you that the suggestion you are giving already have happened in 1974. They were give floor of National assembly to debate, transcript of proceedings of NA sessions is available in book/digital form. They were declared non-Muslims with constitutional amendment. But still have rights less than other minorities.

Well that hearing took place in 1974, and they still continue to believe in some nut-job who claimed to be a Prophet of God, AFTER Nabi Muhammad Alaihi Salaat-u-Wassalam, then they are NOT MUSLIM, they're Kafir.

Had they accepted and not parade around as Muslims, they ought to be given rights as citizens of Pakistan.

I agree. I never claimed they are Muslims.
My point is that they are not pagans either. They are also people of the book.

Oh really!! And which book would that be?

 

[Sugarcane]

Well that hearing took place in 1974, and they still continue to believe in some nut-job who claimed to be a Prophet of God, AFTER Nabi Muhammad Alaihi Salaat-u-Wassalam, then they are NOT MUSLIM, they're Kafir.

Well, Constitution of Pakistan, their CNIC & Passports say that they are not Muslim, their religion is mentioned as Ahmadiya on their identity documents. Aren't you satisfied with it? Will writing Kafir instead of Ahmadiya give satisfaction to "Muslims" and sense of security that their religion is not in danger?

 

[The Sandman]

Had they accepted and not parade around as Muslims, they ought to be given rights as citizens of Pakistan.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1038709877483495424

 

[lastofthepatriots]

Interesting question.

Can you define what do you mean by 'respect'? How does one measure 'respect' in your understanding?

Insaniyat.