How long will it take for India to realise it's not a great country?

[seven7seven]

Like an earlier poster said, you can't tell a fool, he's a fool. That endeavour, is the definition of futility.

India is a failed state in the making and all of it is self-inflicted. There's no point trying to enlighten Indians to what their shortfalls are, as they have ears that don't want to listen. They only have ears to listen to false praises and platitudes from the West. They want to hear words of praise and respect for how great India has become. India, however, have not learned that respect is earned and cannot be forced at will.

From a Chinese and Pakistani perspective, they need only to step back and watch the sad melodrama that is India play out. India will collapse under the weight of its own incompetence and China and Pakistan can carve India up, when the time is right. China and Pakistan are on the right track with its ambitious OBOR project. They only need to slap India down once in a while, if they get too uppity, like in Donglang, recently. China and Pakistan will prosper together and India will decay in its own filth.

 

[sinait]

Mark of a Great Nation,

Actually Yes, this picture indeed shows the mark of a Great Nation.
The Tanks took great pains and patience to avoid injuring this crazy fellow.
The Tanks are in fact moving away from Tiananmen Square without any incidents or deaths on the Square itself.
https://www.theguardian.com/notesandqueries/query/0,5753,-2317,00.html
The "Tiananmen Square massacre" is constantly referred to. Why have I never seen film or video footage of a single death? The cameras were there, were they not?

• ONE PHOTOGRAPH was published in Granta which clearly showed two mutilated bodies. They were, however, those of two Chinese soldiers, hanging from a burnt-out bus in Tiananmen Square. These images were never seen in the mainstream Western media, which also maintained a silence concerning the actions depicted in them.
  Peter McKenna, Liverpool (p.mckenna@liverpool.ac.uk)

• THE CAMERAS were indeed there, and showed a peaceful demonstration that went on for a couple of weeks. The government tried to disperse the crowd by the equally peaceful method of persuasion, then by sending in unarmed police. Finally, in exasperation, the army were called in, but the demonstrators chose to instigate violence. Video films clearly show a demonstrator throwing a Molotov cocktail at the first personnel carrier to enter the square. Hand-to-hand fighting broke out and spread to nearby streets, where many people were killed. The reporting of this tragic episode is yet another example of media manipulation of the news. No-one was killed in Tiananmen Square; the famous film of the man with the carrier-bag defying a column of tanks shows them stopping and turning aside to avoid crushing him; and the bullet holes that reporters said had riddled the statue in the centre of the square seemed to have suddenly disappeared when we saw workmen cleaning up the following day. The notion that unarmed students had assembled to demonstrate peacefully and were immediately shot down in their hundreds by the People's Liberation Army (as the British army did in Amritsar) is a lie.
  Michael Short, Hastings, East Sussex.

China, a great nation, is so unlike brutal India that are killing thousands of unarmed protesters in Kashmir for many decades, in addition to the many crimes against humanity that India commits in the many states that India forcefully annexed.
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[randomradio]

How long will it take for India to realise it's not a great country?
Governments must learn to tell the truth and not hype the lies.
12-06-2017
Sir Edmund Burke’s last stanza from his poem "Mirror" is telling of our times.

So never be concerned

If wrinkles/extra flab appear

For one thing I’ve learned

Which is very clear,

Should your reflection

be less than perfection,

It is really the mirror,

That needs correction...

Indeed, it is the mirror’s fault. There have been huge job losses. Farmer suicides continue unabated, there is severe drought in the southern parts of the country, education systems and standards indifferent as ever, be it in higher or secondary school level, index of industrial manufacturing is down, Q4 financial results finally show the bite inflicted by demonetisation, borders on the west are alive and afire.

All of them are but passing clouds which by a few Vedic mantras will disappear and the sun will shine on our divinely blessed republic, nice and bright. After all, we have seen and done all this before. Plastic surgery, wind powered planes, moving mountains is a part of our heritage and our civilisational history. Soon there will be a resurrection and our ancient knowledge will be revealed unto us again. The world, particularly, China and Pakistan, better watch out!

Meanwhile, the mundane continues to shock and awe. Class 12 results in Bihar are a dismal 33 per cent or so, because strict vigilance allegedly had ensured there will be no cheating. Contrast this with the good times of yore when the space between 98 per cent and 99.5 per cent was jammed with Bihari students as the entire world’s IQs seeded in Nalanda times had yielded a never ending crop of geniuses.

Cow protection has taken higher precedence over the right to life of humans. We have people’s courts dispensing instant justice without a trial and lynch mobs carry out the execution. Be it love jihads or caste violations, khap panchayat-like tribunals or self-proclaimed vigilante groups are pronouncing summary verdicts of guilt on hapless segments of our society.

All this happens, yet the law enforcers of the state are ignorant.

It is not that rogue elements do not exist in any regime but their ability to obtain political support, vocal or muted, is a cause for alarm and indeed a threat to the fabric of a fair and just environment, in which the rule of law is always supreme. Sadly, it is this rule of law that is frequently becoming a casualty all around us.

It is so tempting to blame it all on the kind of people we are. All pervasive lack of civic consciousness, casual regard for discipline, total irreverence for fair play and increasing admiration for might is right.

How can such natives be deserving of justice and fair governance?

Most times, we are handed out lofty slogans by our leaders and for governance, we get deaf ears or inept management pleading scarce resources for non-delivery of public services.

Even artificial intelligence is no match for natural stupidity, which is abundantly in evidence in the kind of political engagement getting widespread acceptance as the way we run our affairs.

It is so relevant to recall the extract from Henry Miller, the great writer’s essay ‘On Turning Eighty':

“One can fight evil but against stupidity one is helpless… I have accepted the fact, hard as it may be, that human beings are inclined to behave in ways that would make animals blush. The ironic, the tragic thing is that we often behave in ignoble fashion from what we consider the highest motives. The animal makes no excuse for killing his prey; the human animal, on the other hand, can invoke God’s blessing when massacring his fellow men. He forgets that God is not on his side but at his side.”

We have appropriated our preferred Gods to support our respective set of misdeeds and little battles are being fought for and against by invoking their divinity. Gods are safe, but humans are surely imperiled.

It is time that we faced a few home truths. For one, we are not a great power and are not likely to be one, either by 2030 or 2050, or ever, unless we entrench the rule of law, save no exception.

Governments must learn to tell the truth and not hype the lies. If the police have fired on farmers in Mandsaur, then the minister in the state must accept so and not indulge in bare denials. If the farmers have a problem, then it will not disappear by a chief minister going on a fast.

Everybody promises loan waivers, so who will tend to the national treasury? The finances of the nation are not looking good. If the progress of our GDP is facing resistance, then let's not dress it up with masks to belie the real number.

The country is grown up enough to realise that we are facing cumulative consequences, some of good decisions and some of bad or no decisions. We need real steps, beginning with understanding of the issues involved and securing a resolution over a given time frame.

Our problems are hard and intractable through years of glossy attempts at facile answers. They need some serious understanding and solutions rooted in the reality and acceptance of the people.

Public health, decrepit cities with severely impaired civic infrastructure, crippling licensing regimes for doing business, agriculture-related facilitation both in inputs and access to markets, surplus power and deficit power, virtually no land management system and converting to usable supply for various needs, transport solutions, so many issues need urgent attention.

Truth be told, it is the appearance that needs improvement. The mirror can only but reflect the image of an appearance as it receives.

Also read: 3 years of Modi government has turned India into Hindu Rashtra
http://www.dailyo.in/voices/india-rule-of-law-lynchings-cows-farmer-suicides-gdp/story/1/17763.html

We are a great country due to the fact that we actually sit and discuss these issues.

 

[Vishwabalas]

Actually Yes, this picture indeed shows the mark of a Great Nation.
The Tanks took great pains and patience to avoid injuring this crazy fellow.
The Tanks are in fact moving away from Tiananmen Square without any incidents or deaths on the Square itself.
https://www.theguardian.com/notesandqueries/query/0,5753,-2317,00.html
The "Tiananmen Square massacre" is constantly referred to. Why have I never seen film or video footage of a single death? The cameras were there, were they not?

• ONE PHOTOGRAPH was published in Granta which clearly showed two mutilated bodies. They were, however, those of two Chinese soldiers, hanging from a burnt-out bus in Tiananmen Square. These images were never seen in the mainstream Western media, which also maintained a silence concerning the actions depicted in them.
  Peter McKenna, Liverpool (p.mckenna@liverpool.ac.uk)

• THE CAMERAS were indeed there, and showed a peaceful demonstration that went on for a couple of weeks. The government tried to disperse the crowd by the equally peaceful method of persuasion, then by sending in unarmed police. Finally, in exasperation, the army were called in, but the demonstrators chose to instigate violence. Video films clearly show a demonstrator throwing a Molotov cocktail at the first personnel carrier to enter the square. Hand-to-hand fighting broke out and spread to nearby streets, where many people were killed. The reporting of this tragic episode is yet another example of media manipulation of the news. No-one was killed in Tiananmen Square; the famous film of the man with the carrier-bag defying a column of tanks shows them stopping and turning aside to avoid crushing him; and the bullet holes that reporters said had riddled the statue in the centre of the square seemed to have suddenly disappeared when we saw workmen cleaning up the following day. The notion that unarmed students had assembled to demonstrate peacefully and were immediately shot down in their hundreds by the People's Liberation Army (as the British army did in Amritsar) is a lie.
  Michael Short, Hastings, East Sussex.

China, a great nation, is so unlike brutal India that are killing thousands of unarmed protesters in Kashmir for many decades, in addition to the many crimes against humanity that India commits in the many states that India forcefully annexed.
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Clearly the man who stood on the path had more courage than the leaders who sent those tanks to intimidate him.

Clearly the man who drove those tank had more courage than the leader who asked him to crush his own people.

If only you have celebrated these reality than continue to worship the communist party and govt. , the world would have respected your choice.

 

[sinait]

India is one of the oldest continuous civilization of almost 6000 years. India is the land that gave the world four major religions : Hinduism, Buddhism, Sikhism and Jainism that are followed by half the world's population. What more do you need to tell that India is a great country.

Don't Bullshit.
Buddhism is not from India, not from its people and not from its geographical area.
The Buddha is from ancient Shakya, located in modern day Nepal.
The people inhabiting the Shakya area in ancient times are not Bharats or Hindus.
The people presently occupying the area of ancient Shakya murdered the Buddha's people.

Wiki written by Indians.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shakya

The Shakya (Sakya and Sakiya[1][2][3]) were a clan of the late Vedic period (1000-500 BCE).
The best-known Shakya was Siddhartha Gautama Shakya, who was the founder of Buddhism (c. 6th to 4th centuries BCE) and came to be known as Gautama Buddha

Annexation by Kosala
Virudhaka, as an act of vengeance, he invaded the Shakya territory, massacred them and annexed it.
It is uncertain whether, by the time of Siddhartha's birth, Vedic Brahmanism had been adopted to any significant extent by the Shakyans.
However, the bearers of this tradition, the Brahmins, did not occupy a dominant position in the area in which the Buddha preached his message.

Claimed Descents
According to Hmannan Yazawin, first published in 1823, the legendary king Abhiyaza, who founded the Tagaung Kingdom and the Burmese monarchy belonged to the same Shakya clan of the Buddha.[38] He migrated to the present-day Burma after the annexation of the Shakya kingdom by Kosala.
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[Vishwabalas]

Don't Bullshit.
Buddhism is not from India, not from its people and not from its geographical area.
The Buddha is from ancient Shakya, located in modern day Nepal.
The people inhabiting the Shakya area in ancient times are not Bharats or Hindus.
The people presently occupying the area of ancient Shakya murdered the Buddha's people.

Wiki written by Indians.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shakya

The Shakya (Sakya and Sakiya[1][2][3]) were a clan of the late Vedic period (1000-500 BCE).
The best-known Shakya was Siddhartha Gautama Shakya, who was the founder of Buddhism (c. 6th to 4th centuries BCE) and came to be known as Gautama Buddha

Annexation by Kosala
Virudhaka, as an act of vengeance, he invaded the Shakya territory, massacred them and annexed it.
It is uncertain whether, by the time of Siddhartha's birth, Vedic Brahmanism had been adopted to any significant extent by the Shakyans.
However, the bearers of this tradition, the Brahmins, did not occupy a dominant position in the area in which the Buddha preached his message.

Claimed Descents
According to Hmannan Yazawin, first published in 1823, the legendary king Abhiyaza, who founded the Tagaung Kingdom and the Burmese monarchy belonged to the same Shakya clan of the Buddha.[38] He migrated to the present-day Burma after the annexation of the Shakya kingdom by Kosala.
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I strongly suggest you do not go by what Wikipedia says regarding details of hinduism or Buddhism.

Buddha belonged to the gotra (clan) called "gautama". He was the descendant of Rishi Gautama or people who attended his school of teaching. (alumina of this university in modern day parlance)

That is why he was called Gautam Buddha.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gautama_Maharishi

The land he belonged to was called "Kapila-vastu", or land of Kapila Muni.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kapila

The philosophy of Kapila muni was called "Sankya".

And that is why Buddha is also called "Sankya muni".

It's possible that the people of Kapila vastu was called "Sankyas" , but that is unlikely as there is no such record in history.

I am not going to debate this with you since its pointless. But this is the truth.

 

[Unknown-V]

Honesty, i don't see India will become developed country in the future. Their economic growth is slower and their population is uncontrollable.

I remember some Indian posters argue that India could send their workers overseas if local jobs are declined. But today, technology changes everything, human uses robot to serve food, machine to answer telephone call, etc. It's cheaper than hiring workers.

 

[sinait]

Clearly the man who stood on the path had more courage than the leaders who sent those tanks to intimidate him.

Clearly the man who drove those tank had more courage than the leader who asked him to crush his own people.

If only you have celebrated these reality than continue to worship the communist party and govt. , the world would have respected your choice.

The tanks are leaving Tiananmen Square after the protest ended peacefully in the Square itself.
That crazy fellow is the one trying to intimidate the tanks from leaving the protest area peacefully.
I am just stating the facts, no need to be personal about it.
I am not from any communist country, btw.
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I strongly suggest you do not go by what Wikipedia says regarding details of hinduism or Buddhism.

Buddha belonged to the gotra (clan) called "gautama". He was the descendant of Rishi Gautama or people who attended his school of teaching. (alumina of this university in modern day parlance)

That is why he was called Gautam Buddha.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gautama_Maharishi

The land he belonged to was called "Kapila-vastu", or land of Kapila Muni.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kapila

The philosophy of Kapila muni was called "Sankya".

And that is why Buddha is also called "Sankya muni".

It's possible that the people of Kapila vastu was called "Sankyas" , but that is unlikely as there is no such record in history.

I am not going to debate this with you since its pointless. But this is the truth.

Sorry I don't trust the Indian Infested Wiki much.
Indian Infested Wiki state that the land of the Buddha, Shakya, was annexed and its inhabitants massacred and some survivors escaped to Burma.

Moreover much of the origins of the Buddha is from hearsay.
So what truth are you spouting, from centuries of hearsay.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gautama_Buddha
" No written records about Gautama were found from his lifetime or some centuries thereafter.
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[Vishwabalas]

Honesty, i don't see India will become developed country in the future. Their economic growth is slower and their population is uncontrollable.

I remember some Indian posters argue that India could send their workers overseas if local jobs are declined. But today, technology changes everything, human uses robot to serve food, machine to answer telephone call, etc. It's cheaper than hiring workers.

Human innovation will find a way. It always does. It is inevitable and its the law of nature.

Besides, there is still a lot of challenges we still face and there is enough work to go around if one lives in a just society. The problems arise when we live in an unjust world / social order and then expect justice and just economic safety.

Once these artificial boundaries of nations are broken down by visa free travel, economic activity will burst forth. This too is inevitable, though it will take a few more decades.

Sorry I don't trust the Indian Infested Wiki much except for that part on the Buddha where the Indians themselves state that Shakya was annexed and its inhabitants massacred and some survivors escaped to Burma.
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Actually wiki is more west controlled than Indian infested. Which is why I do not trust them too much.

But its a good reference point to understand a few basic concepts that I have outlined.

Since there was no land called Shakya , but there still is a land called Kapila vastu.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kapilvastu_District

 

[sinait]

Human innovation will find a way. It always does. It is inevitable and its the law of nature.

Besides, there is still a lot of challenges we still face and there is enough work to go around if one lives in a just society. The problems arise when we live in an unjust world / social order and then expect justice and just economic safety.

Once these artificial boundaries of nations are broken down by visa free travel, economic activity will burst forth. This too is inevitable, though it will take a few more decades.



Actually wiki is more west controlled than Indian infested. Which is why I do not trust them too much.

But its a good reference point to understand a few basic concepts that I have outlined.

Since there was no land called Shakya , but there still is a land called Kapila vastu.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kapilvastu_District

Just refrain from continuing to shamelessly claim credit for Buddhism.
Stick to your gau rakshak Hinduism which the British created for India.
http://www.worldhindunews.com/2014/...india-it-was-never-used-to-describe-religion/

The word Hindu was used initially to describe the people of India; it was never used to describe religion

The word Hinduism is a misnomer.
Pundit Jawaharlal Nehru:~ The word Hindu can be earliest traced to a source a tantrik in 8th century, and it was used initially to describe the people, it was never used to describe religion. (The discovery of India” on page -74 and -75)
According to Pundit Jawaharlal Nehru Its connection with religion is of late occurrence. The word Hinduism is derived from the word Hindu.

The word Hinduism was first used by the English writers in the 19th century to describe the multiplicity of faiths of the people of India.
In Encyclopaedia Britannica it says:~ The word Hinduism was first used by the British writers in the year 1830 to describe the multiplicity of the faiths of the people of India excluding the converted Christians. (Volume -20, Reference -581)
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[ashok321]

While the China is Walmart of the world:

 

[Nalini]

If you have a negative picture of India, then yes you will feel & see India as trash & hopeless.

Make friends with India, give it true love & see how it will shower you with good luck & divine happiness.

We are fighting to eliminate many challenges like illiteracy, poverty, corruption, debris, overpopulation & many other disorders. Every national or patriot will say how great their country is. But it's special when others say about your country. We still have a long way to go & will get there one day. We have our flaws & definitely are not perfect. But the world is slowly discovering India again.

 

[Juggernaut_Flat_Plane_V8]

The problem of India is most Indians are religious and superstitious..Once they become rational and agnostic, there would be little stopping India from being a competitive country

 

[Vishwabalas]

Just refrain from continuing to shamelessly claim credit for Buddhism.
Stick to your gau rakshak Hinduism which the British created for India.
http://www.worldhindunews.com/2014/...india-it-was-never-used-to-describe-religion/

The word Hindu was used initially to describe the people of India; it was never used to describe religion

The word Hinduism is a misnomer.
Pundit Jawaharlal Nehru:~ The word Hindu can be earliest traced to a source a tantrik in 8th century, and it was used initially to describe the people, it was never used to describe religion. (The discovery of India” on page -74 and -75)
According to Pundit Jawaharlal Nehru Its connection with religion is of late occurrence. The word Hinduism is derived from the word Hindu.

The word Hinduism was first used by the English writers in the 19th century to describe the multiplicity of faiths of the people of India.
In Encyclopaedia Britannica it says:~ The word Hinduism was first used by the British writers in the year 1830 to describe the multiplicity of the faiths of the people of India excluding the converted Christians. (Volume -20, Reference -581)
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Why don't you just claim buddha was a chinese and end this farce. As a hindu, I really don't give a $Hit.

The problem of India is most Indians are religious and superstitious..Once they become rational and agnostic, there would be little stopping India from being a competitive country

Speak for yourself.

Indians know how to live their lives far better than a kid on the internet who claims to know what is good for 1.3 billion people.

Maybe the real problems is all those fools who think they are smarter than the rest, without any evidence to back such claims.

 

[terranMarine]

When commie slaves find themselves in trouble,

Uncle Mao fondles their dick,
whispering in the ears of chink,
nihao says the long dead rat,
time to be a copy cat.

when you finish eating the flies,
time to eat cockroaches with rice,
Next comes the house lizards,
with momos and retards,

What to eat next they wonder,
when lightening strikes with thunder,
they whip out their little pricks,
and urinate on their eggs and $Hit,

This is breakfast they grin and say,
rest we will sell on they way,
Lunch is when they eat their dog,
Dinner is a baby corpse.

I sense so much anger and hatred with this post, must have hit a very sensitive nerve with my accurate poem