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How long will Israel exist?

in the light of the fact :coffee:

that France Occupied Algeria for 132 years and they call it French Algeria

the fact that British Empire Occupied India for 334 years and they call it jewel of the British Empire

the fact that Israeles Occupied Palestine for 62 years and they call it Eretz Israel

for how long you expect israel will exist ? :azn:

A. another 272 years

B. another 70 years

C. another 62 years

So long Muslims kill, hate, dislike, disowned, disarray, distrust, lack of unification, lack of knowledge, unable to foresee the future in the name of sectarian, national identity, language, color, education and so and so forth. :coffee:
 
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So why can't Dajjal be a system ? "Jewish man, powerfully built with curly hair". A Jewish man could have created the system (as most advanced systems are built by Jews); powerfully built could refer to the system and curly could refer to the shape of the system as most technology today such as the mobile phones are usually curly and not straight laced. Perhaps the much awaited Prophet you speak off is a force of nature. Humanity's greatest threat is nature (Tsunamis etc). Perhaps liberation to mankind from the bondage of technology and wars will be in the form of nature wiping out mankind. Ask the dinosaurs who once ruled the world how they were liberated :D

Dajjal undoubtedly has his sytem set up around the world .. the Israelis are preparing this Dajjalic system...

But Dajjal himself is a man because Hadiths and The Israelis traditions says that he will claim to be the Messiah of the jews , for whom they are waiting for thousands of years.. According to Jews he will come and save them.. so this proves that he is a man..

But the fact mentioned in the Quran is that Hazrat Isa/Jesus (AS) was the true Messiah Allah had promised to them.... And at the time of Dajjal , when he will claim that He is the Messiah, Hazrat Isa (AS) will come on Earth once again and wit the Help of Imam Al Mahdi, will kill him, and Hazrat Isa / Jesus (AS) will rule the word from the Holy Land of Jerusalam...

Muslims, Christians and Judaism all says that he is a man because he will claim himself as the Messiah. And the Whole system that you are talking about can't be the Messiah.....
 
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So long Muslims kill, hate, dislike, disowned, disarray, distrust, lack of unification, lack of knowledge, unable to foresee the future in the name of sectarian, national identity, language, color, education and so and so forth. :coffee:

Muslims all over the World or Muslims of the region surrounding Israel??
 
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I don't think it is good for Pakistan's image to be a champion of anti-semitism. More enemies never helped anyone and as far as we all know, Israel has done little to Pakistan except arm India with weaponry. Well even the US has done that. Yes they are liable for their indiscretions in Gaza and all over Palestine but this does not give Pakistan the green light to be hostile to Israel as Pakistani interests have nothing to do with the region so why not be neutral like India.

Our establishment doesn't consider Israel an enemy.So no problem.
 
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. . . Pakistani's are very preoccupied with Israel despite very very serious issues at home that threaten its own future.

. . . indiscretions in Gaza and all over Palestine . . . does not give Pakistan the green light to be hostile to Israel as Pakistani interests have nothing to do with the region so why not be neutral like India.

Dear Rumporum & Dear Reaper What You Sow:

AL AQSA AL SHARIF (JERUSALEM) . . . FOR ALL THE MUSLIMS OF THE WORLD . . . IS ONE OF THE MOST HOLYEST PLACES . . . SO WHATEVER THE MUSLIMS ARE ? WHEN EVER THE MUSLIMS WHERE ? . . WHAT EVER THE MUSLIMS PROBLEMS ? . . . THERE IS ONE ISSUE THE MOST IMPORTANT . . . TO LEBARATE THE HOLY CITY OF AL QUDS FROM THE ISRAELI OCCUPATION :tup:
 
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Dear Rumporum & Dear Reaper What You Sow:

AL AQSA AL SHARIF (JERUSALEM) . . . FOR ALL THE MUSLIMS OF THE WORLD . . . IS ONE OF THE MOST HOLYEST PLACES . . . SO WHATEVER THE MUSLIMS ARE ? WHEN EVER THE MUSLIMS WHERE ? . . WHAT EVER THE MUSLIMS PROBLEMS ? . . . THERE IS ONE ISSUE THE MOST IMPORTANT . . . TO LEBARATE THE HOLY CITY OF AL QUDS FROM THE ISRAELI OCCUPATION :tup:

As far as I know there is no mention of Al Aqsa or Al Quds in the Koran. Al Quds was not mentioned even once in the Koran.


Also again why obsession on the side of Pakistan on the subject of Israel.



PS: Pls step off the CAPS Lock
 
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As far as I know there is no mention of Al Aqsa or Al Quds in the Koran. Al Quds was not mentioned even once in the Koran.

YouTube - Mordechai Kedar in al-Jazeera about Jerusalem & Islam

Also again why obsession on the side of Pakistan on the subject of Israel.



PS: Pls step off the CAPS Lock

I think you should read Quran and Hadith Properly.... Al quds and Al Aqsa are mentioned their........Al Quds is not mentioned in Quran but Al Aqsa is mentioned which means the same because they are on same land....... Both Al Quds and Al Aqsa are mentioned in the hadiths....
 
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As far as I know there is no mention of Al Aqsa or Al Quds in the Koran. Al Quds was not mentioned even once in the Koran.


Also again why obsession on the side of Pakistan on the subject of Israel.



PS: Pls step off the CAPS Lock

Ok take your time :coffee:

The Occupied Bayt al-Maqdis (Jerusalem) is the third greatest cities for muslims all over the world because:

1. Allaah has described it in the Qur’aan as being blessed. He said (interpretation of the meaning): “Glorified (and Exalted) be He (Allaah) Who took His slave (Muhammad) for a journey by night from Al-Masjid Al-Haraam (at Makkah) to Al-Masjid Al-Aqsaa (in Jerusalem), the neighbourhood whereof We have blessed…” [al-Israa’ 17:1]. Al-Quds is part of the neighbourhood surrounding the mosque and hence it is blessed.

2. Allaah has described it as being holy, as He says (interpretation of the meaning): “[Moosa said:] O my people! Enter the holy land (Palestine) which Allaah has assigned to you…” [al-Maa’idah 5:21]

3. In al-Quds there is al-Masjid al-Aqsaa, and one prayer there is equivalent to two hundred and fifty prayers elsewhere.

4. The one-eyed Dajjaal (“Antichrist”) will not enter it, because of the hadeeth, “He will prevail over all the earth, apart from al-Haram [in Makkah] and Bayt al-Maqdis.” (Narrated by Ahmad, 19665. Classed as saheeh by Ibn Khuzaymah, 2/327, and Ibn Hibbaan, 7/102).

5. The Dajjaal will be killed close to al-Quds. He will be killed by the Messiah ‘Eesa ibn Maryam (peace be upon him), as was stated in the hadeeth: “The son of Maryam will kill the Dajjaal at the gates of Ludd.” (Narrated by Muslim, 2937, from the hadeeth of al-Nawwaas ibn Sam’aan). Ludd (Lod) is a place near Bayt al-Maqdis.

6. The Messenger (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) was taken to Bayt al-Maqdis on his Night Journey (al-Israa’) from al-Masjid al-Haraam to al-Masjid al-Aqsaa. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning): “Glorified (and Exalted) be He (Allaah) Who took His slave (Muhammad) for a journey by night from Al-Masjid Al-Haraam (at Makkah) to Al-Masjid Al-Aqsaa (in Jerusalem)…” [al-Israa’ 17:1].

7. It (al-Quds) was the first qiblah of the Muslims, as was reported by al-Baraa’ (may Allaah be pleased with him): the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) prayed in the direction of Bayt al-Maqdis for sixteen or seventeen months. (Narrated by al-Bukhaari, 41 – this version was narrated by him – and by Muslim, 525).

8. It is the place where Wahy (Revelation) came down, and it is the homeland of the Prophets. This is well known.

9. It is one of the mosques to which people may travel.

10. The Messenger (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) led the Prophets in one prayer in al-Aqsaa, as reported in the lengthy hadeeth: “… Then the time for prayer came, and I led them in prayer.” (Narrated by Muslim, 172, from the hadeeth of Abu Hurayrah).

domeoftherockjerusalem.jpg
 
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I think you should read Quran and Hadith Properly.... Al quds and Al Aqsa are mentioned their........Al Quds is not mentioned in Quran but Al Aqsa is mentioned which means the same because they are on same land....... Both Al Quds and Al Aqsa are mentioned in the hadiths....

In my opinion the only way out of this Al Quds mess by allowing the Palestinians to call Al Quds their capital and we also call Jerusalem our capital. Basically joint capital for two states and Khalaas end of this story. This could be a start of the negotiations and then move on to other topics such as settlements etc..etc.

By the way that Mordechai Kedar does al lot of debates on Koran, Al Quds subject quite a few videos on this subject. I don't know the Koran and therefore cant comment on it.



PS: Honest question still puzzles me why is Pakistan and Pakistani's at least in the media so concerned about what's going on in Israel. As during the Flotilla incident I noticed media was more bothered about what happened there as opposed to the 100 or so people killed in a Mosque in Lahore , Ahmediya's Mosque I believe. I believe the media refused to refer to the people who died/killed as Shaeeds or martyrs.
 
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Ok take your time :coffee:

The Occupied Bayt al-Maqdis (Jerusalem) is the third greatest cities for muslims all over the world because:

1. Allaah has described it in the Qur’aan as being blessed. He said (interpretation of the meaning): “Glorified (and Exalted) be He (Allaah) Who took His slave (Muhammad) for a journey by night from Al-Masjid Al-Haraam (at Makkah) to Al-Masjid Al-Aqsaa (in Jerusalem), the neighbourhood whereof We have blessed…” [al-Israa’ 17:1]. Al-Quds is part of the neighbourhood surrounding the mosque and hence it is blessed.

2. Allaah has described it as being holy, as He says (interpretation of the meaning): “[Moosa said:] O my people! Enter the holy land (Palestine) which Allaah has assigned to you…” [al-Maa’idah 5:21]

3. In al-Quds there is al-Masjid al-Aqsaa, and one prayer there is equivalent to two hundred and fifty prayers elsewhere.

4. The one-eyed Dajjaal (“Antichrist”) will not enter it, because of the hadeeth, “He will prevail over all the earth, apart from al-Haram [in Makkah] and Bayt al-Maqdis.” (Narrated by Ahmad, 19665. Classed as saheeh by Ibn Khuzaymah, 2/327, and Ibn Hibbaan, 7/102).

5. The Dajjaal will be killed close to al-Quds. He will be killed by the Messiah ‘Eesa ibn Maryam (peace be upon him), as was stated in the hadeeth: “The son of Maryam will kill the Dajjaal at the gates of Ludd.” (Narrated by Muslim, 2937, from the hadeeth of al-Nawwaas ibn Sam’aan). Ludd (Lod) is a place near Bayt al-Maqdis.

6. The Messenger (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) was taken to Bayt al-Maqdis on his Night Journey (al-Israa’) from al-Masjid al-Haraam to al-Masjid al-Aqsaa. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning): “Glorified (and Exalted) be He (Allaah) Who took His slave (Muhammad) for a journey by night from Al-Masjid Al-Haraam (at Makkah) to Al-Masjid Al-Aqsaa (in Jerusalem)…” [al-Israa’ 17:1].

7. It (al-Quds) was the first qiblah of the Muslims, as was reported by al-Baraa’ (may Allaah be pleased with him): the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) prayed in the direction of Bayt al-Maqdis for sixteen or seventeen months. (Narrated by al-Bukhaari, 41 – this version was narrated by him – and by Muslim, 525).

8. It is the place where Wahy (Revelation) came down, and it is the homeland of the Prophets. This is well known.

9. It is one of the mosques to which people may travel.

10. The Messenger (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) led the Prophets in one prayer in al-Aqsaa, as reported in the lengthy hadeeth: “… Then the time for prayer came, and I led them in prayer.” (Narrated by Muslim, 172, from the hadeeth of Abu Hurayrah).

domeoftherockjerusalem.jpg

Well as mentioned earlier in my opinion Joint capital for both states and Al-Quds/Jerusalem open to all people and religions and peaceful co-existence.
 
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Some Governments and Politicians in the Middle East have made it a habit to predict the imminent destruction of Israel...for the last 60 years, its coming soon, its coming soon they keep chanting. After the World Cup they may even import Octopus Paul from Germany to predict the correct time and date for Israel's destruction.

Octopus Paul from Germany is controlled by gambling groups.
 
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. . . Al-Quds/Jerusalem open to all people and religions and peaceful co-existence.

Precisely this was the case throughout the 1400 years when Jerusalem was in possession of Muslims, why not accept that the Israelis now,

West Jerusalem the capital of Israel and East Jerusalem the capital of Palestine :wave:
 
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Precisely this was the case throughout the 1400 years when Jerusalem was in possession of Muslims, why not accept that the Israelis now,

West Jerusalem the capital of Israel and East Jerusalem the capital of Palestine :wave:

As mentioned forget about east or west Joint capital for both.

Its time to forget the past and move on in order to find a solution as everyone has their own position. Fact is fact as it is today and we need to find a solution without digging up the past.
 
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