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How like is it that we are going to see a regional war in 2013?
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iranigirl2
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NO need to guess, Just read this article. All wars are created and brainstormed in Washington, years prior. This article was published in 2007, and It's talks about the Syrian Civil war and Saudi Arabia, and Israeli involvement and cooperation in the Syrian Civil war..
http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2007/03/05/070305fa_fact_hersh
"War on Iran"
The Saudi said that, in his country’s view, it was taking a political risk by joining the U.S. in challenging Iran: Bandar is already seen in the Arab world as being too close to the Bush Administration. “We have two nightmares,” the former diplomat told me. “For Iran to acquire the bomb and for the United States to attack Iran. I’d rather the Israelis bomb the Iranians, so we can blame them. If America does it, we will be blamed
"Syrian Civil war Explained"
Page 4
Nasr compared the current situation to the period in which Al Qaeda first emerged. In the nineteen-eighties and the early nineties, the Saudi government offered to subsidize the covert American C.I.A. proxy war against the Soviet Union in Afghanistan. Hundreds of young Saudis were sent into the border areas of Pakistan, where they set up religious schools, training bases, and recruiting facilities. Then, as now, many of the operatives who were paid with Saudi money were Salafis. Among them, of course, were Osama bin Laden and his associates, who founded Al Qaeda, in 1988.
This time, the U.S. government consultant told me, Bandar and other Saudis have assured the White House that “they will keep a very close eye on the religious fundamentalists. Their message to us was ‘We’ve created this movement, and we can control it.’ It’s not that we don’t want the Salafis to throw bombs; it’s who they throw them at—Hezbollah, Moqtada al-Sadr, Iran, and at the Syrians, if they continue to work with Hezbollah and Iran.”
Page 4
Fourth, the Saudi government, with Washington’s approval, would provide funds and logistical aid to weaken the government of President Bashir Assad, of Syria. The Israelis believe that putting such pressure on the Assad government will make it more conciliatory and open to negotiations. Syria is a major conduit of arms to Hezbollah.
Page 5
The United States has also given clandestine support to the Siniora government, according to the former senior intelligence official and the U.S. government consultant. “We are in a program to enhance the Sunni capability to resist Shiite influence, and we’re spreading the money around as much as we can,” the former senior intelligence official said. The problem was that such money “always gets in more pockets than you think it will,” he said. “In this process, we’re financing a lot of bad guys with some serious potential unintended consequences. We don’t have the ability to determine and get pay vouchers signed by the people we like and avoid the people we don’t like. It’s a very high-risk venture.”
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Jumblatt then told me that he had met with Vice-President Cheney in Washington last fall to discuss, among other issues, the possibility of undermining Assad. He and his colleagues advised Cheney that, if the United States does try to move against Syria, members of the Syrian Muslim Brotherhood would be “the ones to talk to,” Jumblatt said
Jumblatt said he understood that the issue was a sensitive one for the White House. “I told Cheney that some people in the Arab world, mainly the Egyptians”—whose moderate Sunni leadership has been fighting the Egyptian Muslim Brotherhood for decades—“won’t like it if the United States helps the Brotherhood. But if you don’t take on Syria we will be face to face in Lebanon with Hezbollah in a long fight, and one we might not win.”
Read more http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2007/03/05/070305fa_fact_hersh#ixzz2BJQMh8gI
http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2007/03/05/070305fa_fact_hersh
"War on Iran"
The Saudi said that, in his country’s view, it was taking a political risk by joining the U.S. in challenging Iran: Bandar is already seen in the Arab world as being too close to the Bush Administration. “We have two nightmares,” the former diplomat told me. “For Iran to acquire the bomb and for the United States to attack Iran. I’d rather the Israelis bomb the Iranians, so we can blame them. If America does it, we will be blamed
"Syrian Civil war Explained"
Page 4
Nasr compared the current situation to the period in which Al Qaeda first emerged. In the nineteen-eighties and the early nineties, the Saudi government offered to subsidize the covert American C.I.A. proxy war against the Soviet Union in Afghanistan. Hundreds of young Saudis were sent into the border areas of Pakistan, where they set up religious schools, training bases, and recruiting facilities. Then, as now, many of the operatives who were paid with Saudi money were Salafis. Among them, of course, were Osama bin Laden and his associates, who founded Al Qaeda, in 1988.
This time, the U.S. government consultant told me, Bandar and other Saudis have assured the White House that “they will keep a very close eye on the religious fundamentalists. Their message to us was ‘We’ve created this movement, and we can control it.’ It’s not that we don’t want the Salafis to throw bombs; it’s who they throw them at—Hezbollah, Moqtada al-Sadr, Iran, and at the Syrians, if they continue to work with Hezbollah and Iran.”
Page 4
Fourth, the Saudi government, with Washington’s approval, would provide funds and logistical aid to weaken the government of President Bashir Assad, of Syria. The Israelis believe that putting such pressure on the Assad government will make it more conciliatory and open to negotiations. Syria is a major conduit of arms to Hezbollah.
Page 5
The United States has also given clandestine support to the Siniora government, according to the former senior intelligence official and the U.S. government consultant. “We are in a program to enhance the Sunni capability to resist Shiite influence, and we’re spreading the money around as much as we can,” the former senior intelligence official said. The problem was that such money “always gets in more pockets than you think it will,” he said. “In this process, we’re financing a lot of bad guys with some serious potential unintended consequences. We don’t have the ability to determine and get pay vouchers signed by the people we like and avoid the people we don’t like. It’s a very high-risk venture.”
Page 6
Jumblatt then told me that he had met with Vice-President Cheney in Washington last fall to discuss, among other issues, the possibility of undermining Assad. He and his colleagues advised Cheney that, if the United States does try to move against Syria, members of the Syrian Muslim Brotherhood would be “the ones to talk to,” Jumblatt said
Jumblatt said he understood that the issue was a sensitive one for the White House. “I told Cheney that some people in the Arab world, mainly the Egyptians”—whose moderate Sunni leadership has been fighting the Egyptian Muslim Brotherhood for decades—“won’t like it if the United States helps the Brotherhood. But if you don’t take on Syria we will be face to face in Lebanon with Hezbollah in a long fight, and one we might not win.”
Read more http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2007/03/05/070305fa_fact_hersh#ixzz2BJQMh8gI
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Keep us out of it, already fighting someone else's so called 'war on terror' and getting screwed, Pakistan won't get into any middle eastern conflicts and neither will it pick between Iran, Saudi Arabia and Turkey, they are all equally important to us.
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Maybe Pakistani people want to stay out of it, BUT the Pakistani government will serve their masters in the White House and Saudi's Palace.
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If that was the case than we wouldn't have relations with Iran and a shia president at all in the first place now would we?
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Of course you have relations with Iran, BUT when it comes down to it , A BIG regional WAR/Conflict, the masters in Washington decide the fate of Pakistan. Sorry if hurt your feelings
Iran used to be the same before 1979.
I donot know what is your intent for this thread....But honestly I find SA, Turkey and Arab nations are more intrested for war with Iran rather than Israel or even USA too...This is really funny..If you guys have a rivallary then why donot you come to the front and take your enemey head on.....And if you think you are not party to it...Simply walk off ...Turkey and Arab nations are doing exellent job in developing economically for their country in 21st century...Why do you want to enter into this unholly mess???
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Of course you have relations with Iran, BUT when it comes down to it , A BIG regional WAR/Conflict, the masters in Washington decide the fate of Pakistan. Sorry if hurt your feelings
After revolution Iran just moved from one extreme to other extreme which is not that much good as you think, We are still not like Iran in 79 as we still looks little bit of our interests that's why US is pissed off - and our interest now is to stay neutral in case of any arm conflict between Iran & Arabs.
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We just can see these threads,minds, discussion and quarreler in the third world. only in third world a country show muscle to her neighbors who are so similar to each other. They look like a teenage boy who thinks how much he is strong but actually he is nothing. This is exactly as same as a third world's country when their economic situation got better or have got a little power.
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