How LETHAL is PAF J-10C Vigorous Dragon? The Game Changer for Pakistan Air Force...by Sqn Ldr (R) Fahad Masood, a former PAF mirage specialist.

[Umair Nawaz]

Detail of J10CE of PAF by Sqn Ldr (R) Fahad Masood, who himself used to be a Mirage pilot of PAF, His own home Sqd Cobras r the first ones to get J10CEs. So listen to him, he knows what he is talking abt.

-Confirmed! that J10 series ARE ISRAELI LAVIs, this happened in 1988.

-Confirmed! PL10e's HOBS capability with 90 deg. targeting angles same as Aim 9X

-a little correction, PAF j10s r known to carry ws10b not AL31. This interview i suppose was recorded BEFORE J10s hit the runways of Pak. As we all believed back then AL31 engines will be their powerplants.

-Confirmed! PL15E is a dual pulse motor missile with speed to upto mach 4 not 3.

-Confirmed! that with Delta-Canard design its turn rate capability is immensely improved(Thats why i specifically mentioned him being an experienced mirage pilot as he knows very well the Delta design's shortcomings) and J10s r equipping a mirage sqn in PAF called no 15 Cobras.

-Confirmed! The order of J10CE is of 36 for PAF not 25 as Indian media claimed and from there picked up by the west. 3 Sqns, 15 each in 2 sqns and a 3rd of 6 for CCS.

-Confirmed! very low strings attached, And PAC Kamra will be responsible for its maintenance, overhaul and maybe future updates.

-Confirmed! PAF through Shaheen Series exe. have flown J10s in Pakistan and China as well previously, (Hence i presume it wasnt difficult to train our pilots, 24 pilots were certified trained on this type as of march when first 6 arrived and same for tactics development as PAF is well aware of it through Shaheen series exe. This info was shared on the forum by a senior member)

Some more interesting and juicy info abt J10C, ie their Golden Canopies J20 style.

 

[khansaheeb]

We need a few squadrons of J11s too.

 

[The BrOkEn HeArT]

How many squadrons you have purchased? And how many you got it till now?

 

[Abid123]

We need a few squadrons of J11s too.

Not for export bro.

 

[Bilal.]

PL15 250Km range?

With respect, not really.

 

[Umair Nawaz]

PL15 250Km range?

With respect, not really.

with respect, its conformed by a pilot who himself is a mirage pilot and mirage pilots r flying j10s in PAF. AND WITH RESPECT AS WELL, his own home sqn no 15 cobras is being reequipped with j10s.

So he knows very well what he is talking abt. And his specific words were PL 15 has a range of 200+ that ''+'' is the key word here be it really 250 or 300 as USAF believes. Whatever the case it out ranges METEOR which is what we want.

and PAF has PL15 from PLAAF stock (since early march 2019 atleast, much before PL15E were revealed) NOT PL15E who have 145 km range.

 

[Bilal.]

with respect, its conformed by a pilot who himself is a mirage pilot and mirage pilots r flying j10s in PAF. AND WITH RESPECT AS WELL, his own home sqn no 15 cobras is being reequipped with j10s.

So he knows very well what he is talking abt. And his specific words were PL 15 has a range of 200+ that ''+'' is the key word here be it really 250 or 300 as USAF believes. Whatever the case it out ranges METEOR which is what we want.

and PAF has PL15 from PLAAF stock NOT PL15E who have 145 km range.

~180Km has been proven by leaked Chinese literature posted here on the forum.

 

[Bilal.]

FALSE INFO! thats PL15E's true range not marketed range of 145km.

Buddy I am not talking about E version.

There were test results of different timing of firing the second motor and if fired instantly it yields 145Km (E version) and +180km if fired at optimal time interval (non-export version).


Post in thread 'PAF J-10C News, Updates and Discussion'
https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/paf-j-10c-news-updates-and-discussion.736569/post-13617740

 

[Umair Nawaz]

Buddy I am not talking about E version.

There were test results of different timing of firing the second motor and if fired instantly it yields 145Km (E version) and +180km if fired at optimal time interval (non-export version).

i know......but its not accurate data. U can trust this pilot himself as his own sqn mates r flying n using those PL15s right now.

But then again, with respect, believe what u want......that data that u mentioned was for PL15E not of PL15. And PAF uses pl15 not pl15e.

 

[Bilal.]

i know......but its not accurate data. U can trust this pilot himself as his own sqn mates r flying n using those PL15s right now.

But then again, with respect, believe what u want......that data that u mentioned was for PL15E not of PL15. And PAF uses pl15 not pl15e.

The gentleman also seems to be saying that it’s using AL31FN. Not the case.

It’s using WS10B.

 

[Umair Nawaz]

Buddy I am not talking about E version.

There were test results of different timing of firing the second motor and if fired instantly it yields 145Km (E version) and +180km if fired at optimal time interval (non-export version).


Post in thread 'PAF J-10C News, Updates and Discussion'
https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/paf-j-10c-news-updates-and-discussion.736569/post-13617740

let me quote @siegecrossbow 's post again which u missed.

''Speaking of PL-15, I've actually uncovered a public research paper that could potentially shed light on performance speculations. Do keep in mind that the paper states that the figures are "simulated data" and don't refer to any specific AAM, but some of the stats are very interesting''

now read and heed to these bold parts......now u understood? this might well be the simulations/speculations for PL15E (my own personal speculation) not real PL15.

The gentleman also seems to be saying that it’s using AL31FN. Not the case.

It’s using WS10B.

read the OP of this thread for engines. I have already mentioned that mistake in video.

 

[Foinikas]

with respect, its conformed by a pilot who himself is a mirage pilot and mirage pilots r flying j10s in PAF. AND WITH RESPECT AS WELL, his own home sqn no 15 cobras is being reequipped with j10s.

So he knows very well what he is talking abt. And his specific words were PL 15 has a range of 200+ that ''+'' is the key word here be it really 250 or 300 as USAF believes. Whatever the case it out ranges METEOR which is what we want.

and PAF has PL15 from PLAAF stock (since early march 2019 atleast, much before PL15E were revealed) NOT PL15E who have 145 km range.

"The missile features an active electronically scanned array radar seeker,[7] and has an alleged range exceeding 200 km – comparable to that of the Russian R-37 missile. The composite guidance system supports mid-course datalink led by AEW&C aircraft and autonomous terminal guidance.[4] It's measured between 3.8 to 4 meters long and incorporates a dual-thrust solid-fuel rocket motor,[3][4] capable of a speed of Mach 4.[5]

In Zhuhai air show 2021, China unveiled an export variant of PL-15 named PL-15E with a maximum range of 145km. The export version reportedly has less range than the parent version, similar to the situation between SD-10 and its domestic counterpart PL-12."

 

[Bilal.]

"The missile features an active electronically scanned array radar seeker,[7] and has an alleged range exceeding 200 km – comparable to that of the Russian R-37 missile. The composite guidance system supports mid-course datalink led by AEW&C aircraft and autonomous terminal guidance.[4] It's measured between 3.8 to 4 meters long and incorporates a dual-thrust solid-fuel rocket motor,[3][4] capable of a speed of Mach 4.[5]

In Zhuhai air show 2021, China unveiled an export variant of PL-15 named PL-15E with a maximum range of 145km. The export version reportedly has less range than the parent version, similar to the situation between SD-10 and its domestic counterpart PL-12."

Exactly. It’s Wikipedia info.

 

[Ahmadbhutta01]

How many jets have we recieved so far ?

 

[Umair Nawaz]

"The missile features an active electronically scanned array radar seeker,[7] and has an alleged range exceeding 200 km – comparable to that of the Russian R-37 missile. The composite guidance system supports mid-course datalink led by AEW&C aircraft and autonomous terminal guidance.[4] It's measured between 3.8 to 4 meters long and incorporates a dual-thrust solid-fuel rocket motor,[3][4] capable of a speed of Mach 4.[5]

In Zhuhai air show 2021, China unveiled an export variant of PL-15 named PL-15E with a maximum range of 145km. The export version reportedly has less range than the parent version, similar to the situation between SD-10 and its domestic counterpart PL-12."

yup, for the first time i agree with wikipedia information.

PL15 spotted on JF-17 Block 2 under trials in the skies of Pakistan. Earlier PAF has received it's first consignment of 100 PL15 missiles from China for integration on it's existing fleet of Thunders.
This pic was shared on march 14 2019 by ACE OF PAF's FB page.

https://www.facebook.com/ACEofPAF/photos/a.710120069095290/2041290365978247

If u guys dont know ACE OF PAF is a page ran by 2 serving F16 pilots of PAF, They were the first ones back in 2019 as well who revealed the specs of JF17C Block III in their page's utube account. Before them sharing its details, jf17C Block III was all speculation.

Here is a Photo they shared abt themselves(obviously blurring their faces) with their F16BM.

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCRzh3wgnYv9J3TSPJqXiFUg/community?lb=UgyBO_MbEh_msU3dMIJ4AaABCQ

There was no such thing as PL15E with 145km range back then. PL15E was revealed in 2021 if im not wrong, 2 years AFTER existence of pl15 in PAF's service.

@bilal read this post, and carefully.

How many jets have we recieved so far ?

12 most likely.