How Kashmir was stolen from Pakistan by Mountbatten

[ramu]

Why there are so many ******** in this forum ???? Is it defence.india ??

Indian computer literacy rate is high and not to mention the population !

 

[yyetttt]

Kashmir is rightfully Pakistan's because its Muslim majority which should have been given to us during partition!!!

 

[danger007]

Kashmir is rightfully Pakistan's because its Muslim majority which should have been given to us during partition!!!

ok Take it........

 

[Armstrong]

Most of the muslims wanted partition because they feared of being second class citizens, they feared so many things because British using their famous divide and rule policy created a chasm of hatred between hindus and muslims who were living peacefully for decades, they could not believe that we could live together, which incidentally has been proven incorrect, the example is there in front of you and then again TNT is demolished in that context.

Mate, the first step would always be to understand what the TNT was before either espousing its success or declaring its failure. It was never about 'We don't want to live with you guys because your Hindus' or anything of the sort. It was that Islam is a lot more than just praying 5 times a day and it has a profound and pronounced socio, political, economic and legal dimension to it and as Muslims we need the space to express it. Iqbal talked about how Muslims needed a platform where we'd be able to shun Taqid (or blind imitation) and engage in Ijtihad (or consensus to form a legal opinion, a fatwa in other words) to reinterpret Islam in the light of modernity. And for him the Parliament where Sunnis, Shi'ites and the sects within our sects will be represented so that they can exchange ideas, compromise with each other, engage in debates and try to come up with a brand of Islam that not only transcends our 'Sectarian' differences but presents solutions to some of our concerns. For example, Islamic finance is based, fundamentally, around two notions : 1) Making money off money is unethical and a Muslim will not indulge in this, i.e a certain kind of Interest is unacceptable to us. And 2) the Risk and Rewards of any financial venture should be equitably shared between the 'investor' and the 'manager of wealth' i.e Banks getting back their capital with interest whilst the lessee is virtually destroyed is unacceptable for us. What Iqbal wanted was for us to have a platform where we'd decide upon whether we'd need to reinvent the wheel to accommodate these Islamic Injunctions, whether there was an already existing model out there which fits this cent for cent or whether a compromise between the two would be established.

Further more the TNT recognized that many of Our Heroes were not your Heroes, many of our practices were the opposite of yours, many of our habits were in contravention to your own and within this existed a potential for a backlash if they were suppressed or a potential for a 'loss of identity' if they were ignored. Whether our view was right or yours....these fault lines were there ! No amount of political machinations could have ignited 'Our People' enough to butcher each other at the time of the Partition as they did.

And the TNT is just as valid today as it was in '47. Bangladesh despite their independence reclaimed their roots by giving patronage to Islam, explicitly, in their constitution. Israel is the living breathing example of the TNT where Jews and Muslims said we're too different and so we think it best to separate.

 

[Armstrong]

Oye...God my back hurts right now ! I've been sitting stationary in this position for the past 4 hours...! Any recommendations ?

A walk and a stretch didn't cut it ! Pushups maybe ?

 

[zip]

No one touched kashmir during partition ..why you attacked ? It is not only kashmir it has jammu and laddak region ..sending your soldiers to princely state of jammu and kashmir is your first mistake and giving a part of the state to china is your second mistake ..

 

[pk_baloch]

fata aur ballochistan mein RAW k log he mudlarahe hein .............

 

[MilSpec]

Mate, the first step would always be to understand what the TNT was before either espousing its success or declaring its failure. It was never about 'We don't want to live with you guys because your Hindus' or anything of the sort. It was that Islam is a lot more than just praying 5 times a day and it has a profound and pronounced socio, political, economic and legal dimension to it and as Muslims we need the space to express it. Iqbal talked about how Muslims needed a platform where we'd be able to shun Taqid (or blind imitation) and engage in Ijtihad (or consensus to form a legal opinion, a fatwa in other words) to reinterpret Islam in the light of modernity. And for him the Parliament where Sunnis, Shi'ites and the sects within our sects will be represented so that they can exchange ideas, compromise with each other, engage in debates and try to come up with a brand of Islam that not only transcends our 'Sectarian' differences but presents solutions to some of our concerns. For example, Islamic finance is based, fundamentally, around two notions : 1) Making money off money is unethical and a Muslim will not indulge in this, i.e a certain kind of Interest is unacceptable to us. And 2) the Risk and Rewards of any financial venture should be equitably shared between the 'investor' and the 'manager of wealth' i.e Banks getting back their capital with interest whilst the lessee is virtually destroyed is unacceptable for us. What Iqbal wanted was for us to have a platform where we'd decide upon whether we'd need to reinvent the wheel to accommodate these Islamic Injunctions, whether there was an already existing model out there which fits this cent for cent or whether a compromise between the two would be established.

Further more the TNT recognized that many of Our Heroes were not your Heroes, many of our practices were the opposite of yours, many of our habits were in contravention to your own and within this existed a potential for a backlash if they were suppressed or a potential for a 'loss of identity' if they were ignored. Whether our view was right or yours....these fault lines were there ! No amount of political machinations could have ignited 'Our People' enough to butcher each other at the time of the Partition as they did.

And the TNT is just as valid today as it was in '47. Bangladesh despite their independence reclaimed their roots by giving patronage to Islam, explicitly, in their constitution. Israel is the living breathing example of the TNT where Jews and Muslims said we're too different and so we think it best to separate.

most of mohd ali jinnahs ideas were trashed by pakistanis post his death, TNT specifically was designed for political representation of the muslims. Political representation cannot and has never stood up to mullah-military alliance, hence TNT was actually thrown in the dumpster with the demise of Mohd Ali Jinnah. Where is the muslim representation in pakistan, when the governments installed are puppet regimes and are thrown out by any army chief at his will.

 

[Armstrong]

most of mohd ali jinnahs ideas were trashed by pakistanis post his death, TNT specifically was designed for political representation of the muslims. Political representation cannot and has never stood up to mullah-military alliance, hence TNT was actually thrown in the dumpster with the demise of Mohd Ali Jinnah. Where is the muslim representation in pakistan, when the governments installed are puppet regimes and are thrown out by any army chief at his will.

True that this isn't Jinnah's Pakistan and it most certainly isn't the Islamic Polity that Iqbal hoped for !

 

[Panjabi Tiger]

Kashmir needs a referendum

 

[pk_baloch]

journalist se zyada to yahan indians ko fikar pari he.....donot worry hum ye war app logon ko lekar katam karenge lol

 

[TalkToMe:D]

Oye...God my back hurts right now ! I've been sitting stationary in this position for the past 4 hours...! Any recommendations ?

A walk and a stretch didn't cut it ! Pushups maybe ?

Just flex you muscle and joints slowly and gradually.

 

[RAJPUTAANA]

every pakistani watch this video and talk about misery of these ppl too..... who are rottening up in refugee camps.... kashmiris whether muslim or hindu are very peaceful ppl...... but what made these ppl so messed up try to figure out..... none other than ur rulers

 

[Panjabi Tiger]

journalist se zyada to yahan indians ko fikar pari .....donot worry hum ye war app logon ko lekar katam karenge lol

Yaar, ye pakistani forum hai ? Yaha lagta hai k zyada indians members likhte hai :rire:

 

[pk_baloch]

@ramo ya lamba safar nama kon parhe ga ????