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How Japan Fell in Love With America’s Drones

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For decades Japan has been the world’s playground for design innovation. But now it may become ground zero for the future of something far more hostile: military drones.

The country has positioned itself as one of the unlikely players in the escalating global race for military drones, a move that’s controversial both at home and abroad. A veteran Japanese politician even warned that the country’s re-armament looked like “a kind of pre-war revival.” The United States has aided Tokyo in its efforts to re-arm, deploying two unarmed Global Hawk long-range surveillance drones in May to a base in Northern Japan, which infuriated both China and North Korea.

Japan is now in a position it hasn’t been in for nearly 70 years, when it gave up its right to engage in conflict outside its borders. The country is engaged in a bitter dispute with China over a set of islands that sit on resource-rich sea beds that each claims as its sovereign territory.

Japan is the third largest economy in the world, and the implications for both global peace and commerce could be widespread.

Japan is not so quietly building a huge drone fleet

The country will invest ¥3 billion (approx $372 million) in the coming decade to drastically expand its virtually non-existent military unmanned aerial vehicle (UAV) program, according to a senior analyst at IHS Jane’s, the leading defense and security agency.

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“For the period 2014-2023, our forecasts show that they [Japan] are looking to build three Global Hawk drones, in addition to missile detecting UAVs, to deter possible threats of nuclear attack from North Korea and the advancing military strength of China,” the analyst, who requested anonymity to speak candidly on issues related to agency clients, told Quartz. “ They [Japan] are progressing their indigenous design and development capability at a rapid pace and could actually meet their objectives even before fiscal year 2020.”

The forecast would represent a more than 300% increase in drones from current investment levels, which would make Japan’s the fastest growing UAV program in the world, said the analyst.

According to the country’s 2014 defense budget, the increased investments in UAVs are necessary to ” build defense capabilities to ensure security of the seas and airspace surrounding Japan, respond to an attack on remote islands”—a not so subtle reference to the disputed Senkaku Islands, or the Diaoyu as they are known in China. For prime minister Shinzo Abe, boosting investments in the nation’s self-defense forces has been central to his policy of resisting Chinese aggression in the region.

Japan changes constitution to grant military more power

A key long-term goal for Japan’s booming drone program is to use these military UAVs abroad to protect the country’s interests, said the IHS Jane’s senior analyst. However, until last month, this would have been illegal due to Article 9 of the nation’s pacifist constitution, which explicitly prohibits belligerence. Prime minister Abe clearly has a different agenda.

In June, Abe granted the nation’s self-defense forces more power when he gutted Article 9, the so-called “peace clause.” Through a cabinet decision, Abe re-interpreted the article to allow greater use of military force to defend other countries. In doing so, he bypassed parliament and the typical requirement for a referendum for any change to the constitution.

Hundreds of thousands of Japanese citizens protested outside the prime minister’s official residence, while a man on a bridge in central Tokyo set himself on fire to demonstrate against the move. The Japanese media blasted the decision. Abe ignored the criticisms and plowed ahead. In a press conference to present the changes, he announced that the time had come for a re-interpretation of the law. He said North Korea’s nuclear missile program and China’s military expansion in the region justified the move.

“He definitely wants to rearm the country and remove pacifism, but will probably be mostly stymied in these efforts by a reluctant public,” said Noah Smith, an assistant professor of finance at Stony Brook University and an expert on Japan. Smith stressed that re-armament of the nation’s self-defense forces remains unpopular in Japanese society, though recent public opinion polls show this sentiment is slowly changing.

What this drone buildup means for China-Japan relations

The huge increase in Japan’s UAV investments has been met with scorn from Beijing. Although both countries claim their drones will only be used for surveillance purposes, experts warn that the possibility of future drone battles in the region’s airspace is “very high.” Tensions over the Senkaku/Diaoyu Islands have spiked in recent years, with each side provoking the other. Chinese state media last year reported that Beijing will build 11 drone bases along its coastline to boost surveillance over the islands. Additionally, Beijing tested its first stealth combat drone last November near the islands in a move designed to please a domestic audience, more than to provoke Japan, said Smith.

China remains Japan’s largest trading partner, so any military escalation could be economically devastating to Tokyo. Yet, despite these obvious obstacles, Smith explains, it’s still unclear whether Japan will back down. The future of relations between the two largest economies in Asia could thus reach a breaking point.

What are the implications for global security?

The United States has said it will defend Japan in its dispute with China over the Senkaku/Diaoyu Islands. The European Union, China’s largest trading partner, has refused to take a side. China has sought support from rising Latin American nations, including Brazil, in an effort to boost its own influence in the Western Hemisphere while Beijing dramatically increases investments in the region. India has courted favor from both nations.

While these may be standard economic decisions for these nations, they could have widespread security repercussions. The military alliances could quickly devolve into something much larger. Japan’s drone situation isn’t just a boom, it’s a potential game changer with global implications.


How Japan Fell in Love With America's Drones - Defense One
 
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. Chinese state media last year reported that Beijing will build 11 drone bases along its coastline to boost surveillance over the islands. Additionally, Beijing tested its first stealth combat drone last November near the islands in a move designed to please a domestic audience, more than to provoke Japan, said Smith.

That's convenient. Do you think China will buy that explanation when Japan builds combat drones, that it's just a pander to a domestic audience, nothing to worry about?
 
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Great news from Japan!! The Japanese need to build up their strength to protect their own freedom in this world. It is obvious that the Chinese have become expansionist in the extreme. Japan must deter China by becoming too much for Beijing to swallow. Vietnam and the Philippines should join Japan in a strategy of peace through strength.
 
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Great news from Japan!! The Japanese need to build up their strength to protect their own freedom in this world. It is obvious that the Chinese have become expansionist in the extreme. Japan must deter China by becoming too much from Beijing to swallow. Vietnam and the Philippines should join Japan in a strategy of peace through strength.

Because it's China that invaded 3 separate countries in the past decade alone, right? :P Oh wait that was America.

In fact we have not had any wars for over 30 years, that is the epitome of warmongering. :cheesy:
 
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That's convenient. Do you think China will buy that explanation when Japan builds combat drones, that it's just a pander to a domestic audience, nothing to worry about?

I think pretty much everyone knows what everyone's doing, like we will continue to say Anti SAT is not targeted at America or DF-21D is not targeted at American carriers, while America say pivot is not aimed at China and surveillance planes are friendly.

Nothing is really that complicated to work out.

But in the end, national power wins out, a great military without a great economy is the Soviets.

Japan is limited by her population and size, the fualt of her ancestors, in the great land grab race of the past 2000 years, Japan was asleep while Europeans and China grabbed as much as we could.


I can assure you, nobody in China is that threatened by Japan, even if they develop nukes.

Because it's China that invaded 3 separate countries in the past decade alone, right? :P Oh wait that was America.

In fact we have not had any wars for over 30 years, that is the epitome of warmongering. :cheesy:
we invaded more than that, we invaded their markets, which is way worse, cause soldiers has to leave at some point, but USB sticks don't.

Global Hawk is a beauty.
want one? We got one.

Xianglong_HQ-4_Global_Hawk_unmanned_aerial_vehicle_UAV_China_Chinese_army_defence_industry_military_technology_002.jpg


Recent reports, and exercises have shown that this is more than likely in limited service.
 
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I think pretty much everyone knows what everyone's doing, like we will continue to say Anti SAT is not targeted at America or DF-21D is not targeted at American carriers, while America say pivot is not aimed at China and surveillance planes are friendly.

Nothing is really that complicated to work out.

But in the end, national power wins out, a great military without a great economy is the Soviets.

Japan is limited by her population and size, the fualt of her ancestors, in the great land grab race of the past 2000 years, Japan was asleep while Europeans and China grabbed as much as we could.


I can assure you, nobody in China is that threatened by Japan, even if they develop nukes.


we invaded more than that, we invaded their markets, which is way worse, cause soldiers has to leave at some point, but USB sticks don't.


want one? We got one.

Xianglong_HQ-4_Global_Hawk_unmanned_aerial_vehicle_UAV_China_Chinese_army_defence_industry_military_technology_002.jpg


Recent reports, and exercises have shown that this is more than likely in limited service.

Chinese development is Globle centric which reflects self defense whereas japanese-US development is China-russia specific to ignite aggression and again one thing proved japan is unable to develop anything.
 
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I see much of this drone brinkmanship has the next phase of the "cold/room temperature" Pacific theatre conflict.
Drones may be the next "diplomatic" language.
 
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Gentlemen, let's please evade in engaging in such trite personal attacks and respect the subject matter. I thank you for your consideration.

Not my intention to derail your thread :angel:. Just dishing it back to people who inexplicably feel the need to dish it out in the first place.
 
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Great news from Japan!! The Japanese need to build up their strength to protect their own freedom in this world. It is obvious that the Chinese have become expansionist in the extreme. Japan must deter China by becoming too much for Beijing to swallow. Vietnam and the Philippines should join Japan in a strategy of peace through strength.

Well to be honest, each country is just trying to protect their claims in the region/SCS. Our media propaganda against China notwithstanding.:D The thing is China is a big country, an upcoming world power/superpower and a rival to the U.S due to its size and potential in the coming decades. So of course the established power will always try any trick/means to slow down or eliminate a potential upcoming power who can pose a threat to its hegemony.

It isnt just a China thing. It was the same with my country when Germany was rising which led to both world wars and again how we and France were competing for world dominance/colonies during the 1700s-1800s, same with how the U.S treated the U.S.S.R, same with how the U.S treated Japan (when Japan was rising in the 70s- late 80s, how the yellow peril from the east was buying up the U.S/West and was going to take over the world.lol) etc etc..... No power will allow the other to rise and challenge it without putting up a tough fight. its normal, thats how politics/geo politics works. I dont find anything wrong in that.:agree:

So to say Chinas is the only one being suddenly aggressive is not really correct per say. The philippines this year killed tawanese fisherman in disputed waters and has arrested/imprisoned Chinese fishermen in these waters , was that also being aggressive/expansionists? No. Japan has done the same with the nationalisation of the disputed senkakus islands and plan to deploy radars/military equipments/base to islands close to these disputed waters/island, is that also being Expansionists? Same with south Korea officials/president visiting disputed islands and setting up permanent military base in those islands against Japan, is that also being Expasionists? No. same with Vietnam who still occupies the most islands in the spratly islands(some of which it seized from the philippines, and is still disputed by several claimants in the region) and has been setting bases/troops/equipment to those islands is that also being expansionists? No. And theres also a country here that most people dont talk about(though its because it tries to hide/keep a low profile.lol) its Taiwan(ROC), Taiwan still holds/controls the largest/most inhabitable island in the spratly islands and has a military presence(even an airfield) there(which ironically is claimed by Vietnam as well.lol), does it mean Taiwan is also expansionist? No In fact its Taiwan(ROC) which even came up with the nine dash claim in the first place(when most of asia was not even independent/were colonies), the communist just took over from them, surprisingly even now i read that Taiwan's Claim of China is even bigegr than that of the communists(since it still considers Mongolia as part of China, and think the communist betrayed the nation by legitimising Mongolia independence pressured by U.S.S.R.lol). :cheesy:

So Asia sure is a complex region , saddle with many historical facts which still shapes the regions political landscape. What i mean with all these is that, it isn't just China vs ASEAN thing like our media is trying to portray or whatever, its more complicated than that. Many countries in SCS have disputes among themselves in the first place. So until they dont solve these issues among themselves in the first place, it will complicate matters even more in dealing with China. So China captures most of the headlines because its a Big country and a rival to the world sole superpower. Imgine China was say cambodia and it still behave that way, do you even thinkwe/anybody will know there's a dispute? No we/media won't even care/give a shit. lol

So we should be less biased and more realistic in our views bro.:cheers:
 
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