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Revealed: how Israel offered to sell South Africa nuclear weapons | World news | The Guardian

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The secret military agreement signed by Shimon Peres, now president of Israel, and P W Botha of South Africa. Photograph: Guardian


Secret South African documents reveal that Israel offered to sell nuclear warheads to the apartheid regime, providing the first official documentary evidence of the state's possession of nuclear weapons.

The "top secret" minutes of meetings between senior officials from the two countries in 1975 show that South Africa's defence minister, PW Botha, asked for the warheads and Shimon Peres, then Israel's defence minister and now its president, responded by offering them "in three sizes". The two men also signed a broad-ranging agreement governing military ties between the two countries that included a clause declaring that "the very existence of this agreement" was to remain secret.

The documents, uncovered by an American academic, Sasha Polakow-Suransky, in research for a book on the close relationship between the two countries, provide evidence that Israel has nuclear weapons despite its policy of "ambiguity" in neither confirming nor denying their existence.

The Israeli authorities tried to stop South Africa's post-apartheid government declassifying the documents at Polakow-Suransky's request and the revelations will be an embarrassment, particularly as this week's nuclear non-proliferation talks in New York focus on the Middle East.

They will also undermine Israel's attempts to suggest that, if it has nuclear weapons, it is a "responsible" power that would not misuse them, whereas countries such as Iran cannot be trusted.

A spokeswoman for Peres today said the report was baseless and there were "never any negotiations" between the two countries. She did not comment on the authenticity of the documents.

South African documents show that the apartheid-era military wanted the missiles as a deterrent and for potential strikes against neighbouring states.

The documents show both sides met on 31 March 1975. Polakow-Suransky writes in his book published in the US this week, The Unspoken Alliance: Israel's secret alliance with apartheid South Africa. At the talks Israeli officials "formally offered to sell South Africa some of the nuclear-capable Jericho missiles in its arsenal".

Among those attending the meeting was the South African military chief of staff, Lieutenant General RF Armstrong. He immediately drew up a memo in which he laid out the benefits of South Africa obtaining the Jericho missiles but only if they were fitted with nuclear weapons.

The memo, marked "top secret" and dated the same day as the meeting with the Israelis, has previously been revealed but its context was not fully understood because it was not known to be directly linked to the Israeli offer on the same day and that it was the basis for a direct request to Israel. In it, Armstrong writes: "In considering the merits of a weapon system such as the one being offered, certain assumptions have been made: a) That the missiles will be armed with nuclear warheads manufactured in RSA (Republic of South Africa) or acquired elsewhere."

But South Africa was years from being able to build atomic weapons. A little more than two months later, on 4 June, Peres and Botha met in Zurich. By then the Jericho project had the codename Chalet.

The top secret minutes of the meeting record that: "Minister Botha expressed interest in a limited number of units of Chalet subject to the correct payload being available." The document then records: "Minister Peres said the correct payload was available in three sizes. Minister Botha expressed his appreciation and said that he would ask for advice." The "three sizes" are believed to refer to the conventional, chemical and nuclear weapons.

The use of a euphemism, the "correct payload", reflects Israeli sensitivity over the nuclear issue and would not have been used had it been referring to conventional weapons. It can also only have meant nuclear warheads as Armstrong's memorandum makes clear South Africa was interested in the Jericho missiles solely as a means of delivering nuclear weapons.

In addition, the only payload the South Africans would have needed to obtain from Israel was nuclear. The South Africans were capable of putting together other warheads.

Botha did not go ahead with the deal in part because of the cost. In addition, any deal would have to have had final approval by Israel's prime minister and it is uncertain it would have been forthcoming.

South Africa eventually built its own nuclear bombs, albeit possibly with Israeli assistance. But the collaboration on military technology only grew over the following years. South Africa also provided much of the yellowcake uranium that Israel required to develop its weapons.

The documents confirm accounts by a former South African naval commander, Dieter Gerhardt – jailed in 1983 for spying for the Soviet Union. After his release with the collapse of apartheid, Gerhardt said there was an agreement between Israel and South Africa called Chalet which involved an offer by the Jewish state to arm eight Jericho missiles with "special warheads". Gerhardt said these were atomic bombs. But until now there has been no documentary evidence of the offer.

Some weeks before Peres made his offer of nuclear warheads to Botha, the two defence ministers signed a covert agreement governing the military alliance known as Secment. It was so secret that it included a denial of its own existence: "It is hereby expressly agreed that the very existence of this agreement... shall be secret and shall not be disclosed by either party".

The agreement also said that neither party could unilaterally renounce it.

The existence of Israel's nuclear weapons programme was revealed by Mordechai Vanunu to the Sunday Times in 1986. He provided photographs taken inside the Dimona nuclear site and gave detailed descriptions of the processes involved in producing part of the nuclear material but provided no written documentation.

Documents seized by Iranian students from the US embassy in Tehran after the 1979 revolution revealed the Shah expressed an interest to Israel in developing nuclear arms. But the South African documents offer confirmation Israel was in a position to arm Jericho missiles with nuclear warheads.

Israel pressured the present South African government not to declassify documents obtained by Polakow-Suransky. "The Israeli defence ministry tried to block my access to the Secment agreement on the grounds it was sensitive material, especially the signature and the date," he said. "The South Africans didn't seem to care; they blacked out a few lines and handed it over to me. The ANC government is not so worried about protecting the dirty laundry of the apartheid regime's old allies."
 
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Nothing new actually, this just confirms what many already knew. One that Israel has nukes and two that South Africa was involved in some way with said nukes.
 
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Nothing new actually, this just confirms what many already knew. One that Israel has nukes and two that South Africa was involved in some way with said nukes.

The Israelis weren't so different from other countries which possess nuclear weapons.

If you've got nukes on you, your enemy will think twice about attacking you.
 
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The point that I was tryin' to make was to pinpoint to the reason which motivated both countries to pursue nuclear weapons.

Khalifa, as a Saffie myself I can tell you liking wasn't a factor. We were the only country willing to secretly sell Israel weapons-grade uranium at the time. They had the technology/knowledge to build a bomb, we had the cake. Israeli scientists and SA uranium is what created both countries' nuclear weapons.

As part of the deal, Israel also helped Pretoria develop a nuke we could either fire from a G5/G6 artillery piece or drop from a Buccaneer S.50. That's common knowledge. Rumour has it the West Germans were also involved in getting us the equipment needed to store and launch these weapons. Of course, the whole kit was destroyed in the '90s because nobody wanted another Mugabe or Amin to ever unleash this kind of destruction!!
 
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Khalifa, as a Saffie myself I can tell you liking wasn't a factor. We were the only country willing to secretly sell Israel weapons-grade uranium at the time. They had the technology/knowledge to build a bomb, we had the cake. Israeli scientists and SA uranium is what created a nuclear weapons programme.

Please, re-read my posts again, I never brought the linking sentiment to the subject whatsoever. I understand that SA didn't have much of an affection to Israel, but they at least have met in the eye due to mutual interests.

I don't believe that the Israelis sold you guys the equipment for the yellow cake, because France, the UK, and the US assisted them in first place. Maybe this could have something to do with paper though.


Rumour has it the West Germans were also involved in getting us the equipment needed to store and launch these weapons.

I'm not surprised to hear this. The Germans listen to the Israelis so much, they might have had asked them to help you guys out to return your favor.


Khalifa, as a Saffie myself I can tell you liking wasn't a factor. We were the only country willing to secretly sell Israel weapons-grade uranium at the time. They had the technology/knowledge to build a bomb, we had the cake. Israeli scientists and SA uranium is what created both countries' nuclear weapons.

As part of the deal, Israel also helped Pretoria develop a nuke we could either fire from a G5/G6 artillery piece or drop from a Buccaneer S.50. That's common knowledge. Rumour has it the West Germans were also involved in getting us the equipment needed to store and launch these weapons. Of course, the whole kit was destroyed in the '90s because nobody wanted another Mugabe or Amin to ever unleash this kind of destruction!!

God damn these devils ...



Bravo
Bravo
How have u got these wittings ?

I'm actually way smarter than that bro! :lol: Wanna know why? I lash myself 6 times per day, do you?
 
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Please, re-read my posts again, I never brought the linking sentiment to the subject whatsoever. I understand that SA didn't have much of an affection to Israel, but they at least have met in the eye due to mutual interests.

The Nats, who were the ruling party during apartheid, were actually anti-Jewish because Jan Smuts was a Zionist. They changed their ideology when it became profitable to do business with Israel. And I know you didn't bring it up, but since this has generally been a common misconception among people I meet I thought I would mention it.

I don't believe that the Israelis sold you guys the equipment for the yellow cake, because France, the UK, and the US assisted them in first place. Maybe this could have something to do with paper though

They didn't sell us any equipment if it could be traced back to UK or US, because then too many questions would get asked. French and German stuff was fine because neither country gave a monkey's if we got their tech - UN embargo notwithstanding. For example, we got most of our operational Mirages from France, but using Israel as a third party. Paris still has on record that they sold these aircraft to Israel, but everybody knows an Israeli ship simply took them to Cape Town direct from Europe.
 
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@elis what do you think,will Israel sell some nukes to Al Qaeda ? :girl_wink:

Maybe to the Saudis as well? :lol: or Romania? :rofl:








I gotcha :smart:

Thanks for sharing your thoughts with us friend, welcome to PDF.

The Nats, who were the ruling party during apartheid, were actually anti-Jewish because Jan Smuts was a Zionist. They changed their ideology when it became profitable to do business with Israel. And I know you didn't bring it up, but since this has generally been a common misconception among people I meet I thought I would mention it.



They didn't sell us any equipment if it could be traced back to UK or US, because then too many questions would get asked. French and German stuff was fine because neither country gave a monkey's if we got their tech - UN embargo notwithstanding. For example, we got most of our operational Mirages from France, but using Israel as a third party. Paris still has on record that they sold these aircraft to Israel, but everybody knows an Israeli ship simply took them to Cape Town direct from Europe.
 
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Please, re-read my posts again, I never brought the linking sentiment to the subject whatsoever. I understand that SA didn't have much of an affection to Israel, but they at least have met in the eye due to mutual interests.

I don't believe that the Israelis sold you guys the equipment for the yellow cake, because France, the UK, and the US assisted them in first place. Maybe this could have something to do with paper though.




I'm not surprised to hear this. The Germans listen to the Israelis so much, they might have had asked them to help you guys out to return your favor.






I'm actually way smarter than that bro! :lol: Wanna know why? I lash myself 6 times per day, do you?

No bro ,it is a bad habit .yazid is your name??
 
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