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:coffee: Words like "PRIBUMI" or "BUMIPUTRA" are DEROGATORY terms introduced by POLITICIANS or rather an UNSECURED group who are feeling threatened and these terms discriminated against the others ethnic minorities. In Malaysia, this group is given SPECIAL privileges.

Imagine what happened if the White in USA, GERMANY, UK or the Hans which formed 93% of China's population introduced such a term, there will be considered as RACIALIST regimes like former South Africa Apatheid.

Folks who which to discuss such sensitive issues e.g. in Malaysia in here should read a book called "Contesting Malayness - Malay Identity Across Boundaries" Edited by Timothy P. Barnard published by Singapore University Press". Written by a Professor of National University of Singapore.

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" Written by a Professor of National University of Singapore. Cost S$32 (about). It reflects anthropologists' view that there is no such race as the "Malays" to begin with. If we follow the original migration of the Southern Chinese of 6,000 years ago, they moved into Taiwan, (now the Alisan), then into the Philippines (now the Aeta) and moved into Borneo 4,500 years ago (Dayak). They also split into Sulawesi and progressed into Jawa, and Sumatera. The final migration was to the Malayan Peninsula 3,000 years ago. A sub-group from Borneo also moved to Champa in Vietnam at 4,500 years ago.


Interestingly, the Champa deviant group moved back to present day Kelantan state in Malaysia. There are also traces of the Dong Song and Hoa Binh migration from Vietnam and Cambodia. To confuse the issue, there was also the Southern Thai migration, from what we know as Pattani today. (see also "Early Kingdoms of the Indonesian Archipelago and the Malay Peninsula")

Of course, we also have the Minangkabau's which come from the descendants of Alexander the Great and a West Indian Princess. (Sejarah Melayu page 1-3)

So the million Dollar Question... Is there really a race called the "Malays"? All anthropologists DO NOT SEEM TO THINK SO.

Neither do the "Malays" who live on the West Coast of Johor. They'd rather be called Javanese. What about the inhabitants on the west coast of Kedah who prefer to be known as "Achenese"? or the Ibans who simply want to be known as IBANS. Try calling a Kelabit a "Malay" and see what response you get... you’ll be so glad that their Head-Hunting days are over.

Here is an excerpt from an article in the Malaysian Star, dated: 3 Dec 2006. An excerpt is reproduced here below:


The Malays – taken as an aggregation of people of different ethnic backgrounds but who speak the same language or family of languages and share common cultural and traditional ties – are essentially a new race, compared to the Chinese, Indians and the Arabs with their long histories of quests and conquests.

The Malay nation, therefore, covers people of various ethnic stock, including Javanese, Bugis, Bawean, Achehnese, Thai, orang asli, the indigenous people of Sabah and Sarawak and descendants of Indian Muslims who had married local women.

Beneath these variations, however, there is a common steely core that is bent on changing the Malay persona from its perceived lethargic character to one that is brave, bold and ready to take on the world.

The definition of "Malay" is therefore simply a collection of peoples who speak a similar type language. With what is meant by a similar type language does not mean that the words are similar. Linguists call this the "Lego-type" language, where words are added on to the root word to make meaning and give tenses and such. Somehow, the Indonesians disagree with this classification and insist on being called "Indonesians" even though the majority of "Malays" have their roots in parts of Indonesia. They refuse to be called "Malay"…. Any way you may define it.

The Star newspaper writer failed to identify (probably didn't know), that the "Malay" definition also includes, the Champa, Dong Song, Hoa Binhian, The Taiwanese Alisan and the Filipino Aetas. He also did not identify that the "Orang Asli" are (for lack of a better term) ex-Africans. If you try to call any one of our East Malaysian brothers an "Orang Asli", they WILL BEAT YOU UP! I had to repeat this because almost all West Malaysians make the same mistake when we cross the South China Sea. Worse, somehow, they feel even more insulted when you call them "Malay". Somehow, "kurang ajar" is uttered below their breath as if "Malay" was a really bad word for them. I’m still trying to figure this one out.

Watch "Malays in Africa"; a Museum Negara produced DVD. Also, the "Champa Malays" by the same.

With this classification, they MUST also include the Filipinos, the Papua New Guineans, the Australian aborigines, as well as the Polynesian aborigines. These are of the Australo Melanesians who migrated out of Africa 60,000yrs ago.

Getting interesting? Read on...

"Malay" should also include the Taiwanese singer "Ah Mei" who is Alisan as her tribe are the ancestors of the "Malays". And finally, you will need to define the Southern Chinese (Southern Province) as Malay also, since they are from the same stock 6,000yrs ago.

Try calling the Bugis a "Malay". Interestingly, the Bugis, who predominantly live on Sulawesi are not even Indonesians. Neither do they fall into the same group as the migrating Southern Chinese of 6,000yrs ago nor the Australo Melanesian group from Africa.

Ready for this?

The Bugis are the cross-breed between the Mongolian Chinese and the wandering Arab Pirates. (FYI, a runaway Ming Dynasty official whom Cheng Ho was sent to hunt down) Interestingly, the Bugis were career Pirates in the Johor-Riau Island areas. Now the nephew of Daeng Kemboja was appointed the First Sultan of Selangor. That makes the entire Selangor Sultanate part Arab, part Chinese! Try talking to the Bugis Museum curator near Kukup in Johor. Kukup is located near the most south-western tip of Johor. (Due south of Pontian Kechil)

Let's not even get into the Hang Tuah, Hang Jebat, Hang Kasturi, Hang Lekiu, and Hang Lekir, who shared the same family last name as the other super famous "Hang" family member... Hang Li Poh. And who was she? Legend tells us that she is the princess of a Ming Dynasty Emperor who was sent to marry the Sultan of Malacca. Won't that make the entire Malacca Sultanate downline "Baba" ? Since the older son of the collapsed Malaccan Sultanate got killed in Johor, (the current Sultanate is the downline of the then, Bendahara) the only other son became the Sultan of Perak. Do we see any Chinese-ness in Raja Azlan? Is he the descendant of Hang Li Poh? But wait a minute....

That's what legend says. Let's look at the proof. The solid evidence. There is a well next to the Zheng He Temple in Malacca which is supposed to be the well built by the Sultan of Malacca for her. According to legend, anyone who drinks of it shall re-visit Malacca before they die. Hmmm smells like a romantic fairy tale already. But let's look at who Hang Li Poh actually is. Which Ming Emperor was she a daughter to? So I got into researching the entire list of Ming Emperors. Guess what? Not a single Ming Emperor's last name begins with Hang. In fact, all their last names begin with Tzu (pronounced Choo). So who is Hang Li Poh? An Extra Concubine? A Spare Handmaiden? Who knows? But one thing for certain, is that she was no daughter of any of the Ming Emperors. Gone is the romantic notion of the Sultan of Malacca marrying an exotic Chinese Princess. Sorry guys, the Sultan married an unidentified Chinese commoner.

Next question. If the Baba’s are part Malay, why have they been marginalized by NOT BEING BUMIPUTERA? Which part of "Malay" are they not? Whatever the answer, why then are the Portuguese of Malacca BUMIPUTERA? Did they not come 100 years AFTER the arrival of the first Baba’s? Parameswara founded Malacca in 1411. The Portugese came in 1511, and the Dutch in the 1600’s. Strangely, the Baba’s were in fact once classified a Bumiputera, but some Prime Minister decreed that they were to be strangely "declassified" in the 1960’s. WHY? How can a "native son of the soil" degenerate into an "un-son"? The new classification is "pendatang" meaning a migrant. Wait a minute, isn't EVERYONE on the Peninsular a migrant to begin with?

The Sultan of Kelantan had similar roots to the Pattani Kingdom making him of Thai origin. And what is this "coffee table book" by the Sultan of Perlis claiming to be the direct descendant of the prophet Muhammed? Somehow we see Prof Khoo Khay Khim’s signature name on the book. I’ll pay good money to own a copy of it myself. Anyone has a spare?

In pursuing this thread, and having looked at the history of Prophet Muhammed (BTW, real name Ahmad) we couldn't figure out which descendant line The Sultan of Perlis was. Perhaps it was by the name Syed, which transcended. Then we would ask which of the 13 official wives named in the Holy Koran? or was he a descendant from the other 23 names of the non-wives? Of the 13 were (at least known) 3 Israeli women. Then you would also ask yourself, isn't Prophet Muhammad an Israeli himself? The answer is clear. All descendants of Moses are Israeli. In fact, the Holy Koran teaches that Moses was the First Muslim. Thus confirming all descendants to be Israeli, including Jesus and Prophet Muhammad. It is also found in Sura 2:58&59 which specifically mentions that the Torah and the Kitab (Bible) are Holy Words of Allah. But since this is not a religious discussion, let's move on to a more anthropological approach.

So, how many of you have met with orang Asli’s? the more northern you go, the more African they look. Why are they called Negrito’s? It is a Spanish word, from which directly transalates "mini Negros". The more southern you go, the more "Indonesian" they look. And the ones who live at Cameron Highlands kinda look 50-50. You can see the Batek at Taman Negara, who really look like Eddie Murphy to a certain degree. Or the Negritos who live at the Thai border near Temenggor Lake (north Perak). The Mah Meri in Carrie Island look almost like the Jakuns in Endau Rompin. Half African, half Indonesian.

By definition, (this is super eye-opening) there was a Hindu Malay Empire in Kedah. Yes, I said right… The Malays were Hindu. It was, by the old name Langkasuka, today known as Lembah Bujang. This Hindu Malay Empire was 2,000 years old, pre-dating Borobudur AND Angkor Wat, which came about around 500-600 years later. Lembah Bujang was THE mighty trading empire, and its biggest influence was by the Indians who were here to help start it. By definition, this should make the Indians BUMIPUTERAS too since they were here 2,000 years ago! Why are they marginalized?

Of the 3 books listed, "Contesting Malayness" (about S$32 for soft cover) is "banned" in Malaysia; you will need to "smuggle" it into Malaysia; or read it in Singapore if you don’t feel like breaking the law.

The other, "Kingdoms of the Indonesian Archipelago, and the Malay Peninsular" (about RM84) are openly sold at all leading bookshops; Kinokuniya, MPH, Borders, Popular, Times, etc. You should be able to find a fair bit of what I’ve been quoting in this book too, but mind you, it is very heavy reading material, and you will struggle through the initial 200+ pages. It is extremely technical in nature. Maybe that’s why it wasn’t banned (yet)… because our authorities couldn’t make head or tail of it? (For your information, if I wasn’t doing research for my film, I wouldn’t have read it in its entirety)

While the "Sejarah Melayu" (about RM 35) is available at the University Malaya bookshop. I have both the English and Royal Malay version published by MBRAS.

Incidentally, the Professor (Author) was invited to speak on this very subject about 2 yrs ago, in KL, invited by the MBRAS. You can imagine the "chaos" this seminar created.

There were actually many sources for these findings. An older Filippino Museum Journal also carries these migration stories. This migration is also on display at the Philippines National Museum in Luzon. However, they end with the Aeta, and only briefly mention that the migration continued to Indonesia and Malaysia, but fully acknowledge that all Filippinos came from Taiwan. And before Taiwan, China. There is another book (part of a series) called the "Archipelago Series" endorsed by Tun Mahathir and Marina Mohammad, which states the very same thing right at the introduction on page one. "… that the Malays migrated out of Southern China some 6,000 years ago…". I believe it is called the "Pre-History of Malaysia" Hard Cover, about RM99 found in (mostly) MPH. They also carry "Pre-History of Indonesia" by the same authors for the same price.

It is most interesting to note that our Museum officials invented brand new unheard-of terms such as "Proto-Malay" and "Deutero-Malay", to replace the accepted Scientific Term, Australo-Melanesians (African descent) and Austronesians (Chinese Descent, or Mongoloid to be precise) in keeping in line with creating this new "Malay" term. They also created the new term called the Melayu-Polynesian. (Which Melayu exists in the Polynesian Islands?) Maybe they were just trying to be "Patriotic" and "Nationalistic"… who knows…? After all, we also invented the term, "Malaysian Time". While the rest of the world calls it "Tardy" and "Late". It’s quite an embarrassment actually…. Singaporeans crossing the border are asked to set their watches back by about 100 years, to adjust to "Malaysian Time"…

In a nutshell, the British Colonial Masters, who, for lack of a better description, needed a "blanket" category for ease of classification, used the term "Malay".

The only other logical explanation, which I have heard, was that "Malaya" came as a derivative of "Himalaya", where at Langkasuka, or Lembah Bujang today was where the Indians were describing the locals as "Malai" which means "Hill People" in Tamil. This made perfect sense as the focal point at that time was at Gunung Jerai, and the entire Peninsular had a "Mountain Range" "Banjaran Titiwangsa", as we call it.

The Mandarin and Cantonese accurately maintain the accurate pronunciation of "Malai Ren" and "Malai Yun" respectively till this very day. Where "ren" and "yun" both mean "peoples".

Interestingly, "Kadar" and "Kidara", Hindi and Sanskrit words accurately describe "Kedah" of today. They both mean "fertile Land for Rice cultivation. Again, a name given by the Indians 2,000 years ago during the "Golden Hindu Era" for a duration of 1,500yrs.

It was during the "Golden Hindu Era" that the new term which the Hindu Malay leaders also adopted the titles, "Sultan" and "Raja". The Malay Royalty were Hindu at that time, as all of Southeast Asia was under strong Indian influence, including Borobudur, and Angkor Wat. Bali today still practices devout Hindu beliefs. The snake amulet worn by the Sultans of today, the Royal Dias, and even the "Pelamin" for weddings are tell-tale signs of these strong Indian influences. So, it was NOT Parameswara who was the first Sultan in Malaya. Sultanage existed approximately 1,500years before he set foot on the Peninsular during the "Golden Hindu Era" of Malaysia. And they were all Hindu.

PreHistory of Malaysia" also talks about the "Lost Kingdom" of the "Chi-Tu" where the local Malay Kingdom was Buddhist. The rest of the "Malays" were Animistic Pagans.

But you may say, "Sejarah Melayu" calls it "Melayu"? Yes, it does. Read it again; is it trying to describe the 200-odd population hamlet near Palembang by the name "Melayu"? (Google Earth will show this village).

By that same definition, then, the Achehnese should be considered a "race". So should the Bugis and the Bataks, to be fair. Orang Acheh, Orang Bugis, Orang Laut, Orang Melayu now mean the same… descriptions of ethnic tribes, at best. And since the "Malays" of today are not all descendants of the "Melayu" kampung in Jambi (if I remember correctly), the term Melayu has been wrongly termed. From day one. Maybe this is why the Johoreans still call themselves either Bugis, or Javanese until today. So do the Achehnese on the West coast of Kedah & Perlis and the Kelantanese insist that they came from Champa, Vietnam.

Morover, the fact that the first 3 pages claiming that "Melayu" comes from Alexander the Great and the West Indian Princess doesn't help. More importantly, it was written in 1623. By then, the Indians had been calling the locals "Malai" for 1,500 yrs already. So the name stuck….

And with the Sejarah Melayu (The Malay Annals in page 1-3) naming the grandson of Iskandar Zulkarnain, and the West Indian Princess forming the Minangkabau. Whenever a Malay is asked about it, he usually says it is "Karut" (bullshit), but all Malayan based historians insist on using Sejarah Melayu as THE main reference book for which "Malay" history is based upon. The only other books are "Misa Melayu", "Hikayat Merong Mahawangsa", and "Hikayat Hang Tuah" which is of another long and sometimes "heated" discussion.

I find this strange.

I also find, that it is strange that the "Chitti's" (Indian+Malay) of Malacca are categorized as Bumiputera, while their Baba brothers are not. Why? Both existed during the Parameswara days. Which part of the "Malay" side of the Baba’s is not good enough for Bumiputera classification? Re-instate them. They used to be Bumiputera pre 1960’s anyway.

Instead of "Malay", I believe that "Maphilindo" (circa 1963) would have been the closest in accurately trying to describe the Malays. However, going by that definition, it should most accurately be "MaphilindoThaiChinDiaVietWanGreekCamfrica". And it is because of this; even our University Malaya Anthropology professors cannot look at you in the eye and truthfully say that the word "Malay" technically and accurately defines a race.

This is most unfortunate.

So, in a nutshell, the "Malays" (anthropologists will disagree with this "race" definition) are TRULY ASIA !!! For once the Tourism Ministry got it right….

We should stop calling this country "Tanah Melayu" instead call it, "Tanah Truly Asia"

You must understand now, why I was "tickled pink" when I found out that the Visit Malaysia slogan for 2007 was "Truly Asia". They are so correct... (even though they missed out Greece and Africa)

BTW, the name UMNO should be changed to UTANO the new official acronym for "United Truly Asia National Organization" . After all, they started out as a Bugis club in Johor anyway….

I told you all that I hate race classifications…. This is so depressing. Even more depressing is that the "Malays" are not even a race; not since day one.

"Truly Asia Boleh"
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You trick of re-edite history can fool nobody. It is Netherland East India company or whatever name. Dutch had left, it's time the Indonesian return all territory to pribumis.

Dutch East Indies :lol: bro let him believe that Indonesia is the biggest SEA empire. I'm sure our Vietnamese friends here disagree with that perspective too.
 
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I think you've got that wrong, the one that make a seperate line between pribumi and chinese ethnic indonesian mostly by the chinese ethnic indonesian, some of them feel exclusive, but that it self improving, in the past year i've seen more chinese ethnic indonesian view them self as proud indonesian rather than chinese ethnic international that good in indonesia for making money only.


No I dont.
You can't say that because you are pribumi and you dont know what Indonesian chinese thinking and struggling for. Your view on Indonesian Chinese from pribumi point of view could be valid, but your view on Indonesian Pribumi from chinese point of view could not be valid.

I am coming from ethnic chinese.
It is my own experience, and some of my friendes experience the same.

You know I went to government school in junior and senior high school, I mingled (as there is not many chinese ethnic there). And I experienced racism from some pribumi (of course not all), but many pribumi tend to view me as an outsider. The same thing is experienced by friends and many chinese who minggled in governmental school.

You can read how Ruminah (pribumi that look chinese) experience living among other pribumi, where other pribumi tend to have prejudice toward her in here:
http://articles.latimes.com/2010/jul/04/world/la-fg-indonesia-chinese-20100704

But pribumi always put the blame on chinese, similar as you did above.
 
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No I dont.
You can't say that because you are pribumi and you dont know what Indonesian chinese thinking and struggling for. Your view on Indonesian Chinese from pribumi point of view could be valid, but your view on Indonesian Pribumi from chinese point of view could not be valid.

I am coming from ethnic chinese.
It is my own experience, and some of my friendes experience the same.

You know I went to government school in junior and senior high school, I mingled (as there is not many chinese ethnic there). And I experienced racism from some pribumi (of course not all), but many pribumi tend to view me as an outsider. The same thing is experienced by friends and many chinese who minggled in governmental school.

You can read how Ruminah (pribumi that look chinese) experience living among other pribumi, where other pribumi tend to have prejudice toward her in here:
http://articles.latimes.com/2010/jul/04/world/la-fg-indonesia-chinese-20100704

But pribumi always put the blame on chinese, similar as you did above.
I felt sorry for your experience, but that not the reflection of most pribumi toward ethnic chinese indonesian, trust me, lots of my friends are ethnic chinese, heck i dated a chinese women too (look at my profile picture), but if you feel bitter beyond any remedy, and not feeling any love toward indonesia as a mother land, you are free to leave to PRC Anytime bro, i don't mind :p
 
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Who cares if some ill intention random anonymous Chinese and Viet doesn't agree to the fact that Indonesia is an awesome country and The Greatest SEA empire ever ........ Woahahahahahaa.....
 
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@Place Of Space
And how will the malay gonna do that!!??
Lol.......wkwkwk.....
Bro, you need to sober up........every time open your mouth it show how dumb you really are.......
 
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I don't know, I think blaming, troll fight, dumb debate, cursing, etc are very counter productive and pointless. Even for the Chinese Indonesian themselves. I know that you are suffer of racism, xenophobic hatred from the local people, victim of a criminal activity / riot. But there are another way to handle this matter. Denounce, cursing, blaming, and shout in here will only bring negative impact for Chinese Indonesian in general. Specially, when you make our Chinese brothers from other countries miss understood about what we (Chinese Indonesian) want.

What do you get from showing hostility in here? A more gap, hatred, and distrust from another Indonesian posters. And at the end, you still suffer. Well, unless you want to give up your Indonesian Citizenship and move to other country (Singapore, Hongkong, Taiwan, China, etc), then you have to understand that the most important thing to do in here is to building a bridge, not breaking them.

So what do I want? To forget my ancestry? Nope. I promote them. I'm a part of a Chinese Ethics Organization in Indonesia. What we want is not hating local people because of past suffering; but to build a bridge between two people. We also promote Chinese Culture and introduce them to our local brother; not to make them Chinese, but to show our good will to promote trust between Chinese Indonesian and another local Ethics in here. Remember, to trust, we need to understand each other better.

To our Chinese brother, let us guess, where is this photo come from? Hongkong? China? Nope. This photo come from Solo, Indonesia, in a Chinese New Year Celebration. Look at the bridge and the Chinese paper lamps. This photo symbolize our wish. A bridge of happiness that link two people. Chinese and another Indonesian Ethics.

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Now, Solo was the second city that was suffer from 1998 riot. In 1998, it wasn't only Jakarta that suffer because of racialism tension. Solo was suffer too. Chinese houses were burn, we were robbed, and if lucky, they just threw stones to our house. But now look at the photo. Solo Javanese enjoy the Chinese New Year Celebration happily with us.

Of course, there is still a probability of a racism riot in the future. Specially when some politician assholes wants to politicized the racism for their own political agenda. But we will keep doing everything to build the bridge. We can only hope that the local also wish to build the bridge together with us.
 
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I felt sorry for your experience, but that not the reflection of most pribumi toward ethnic chinese indonesian, trust me, lots of my friends are ethnic chinese, heck i dated a chinese women too (look at my profile picture), but if you feel bitter beyond any remedy, and not feeling any love toward indonesia as a mother land,

Of course that is not the reflection of most pribumi, but many.
So my point is: it takes 2 hands to clap. You cant just blame chinese because some of them are exclusive. Pribumi need to take parts too by welcoming Indonesian Chinese.

you are free to leave to PRC Anytime bro, i don't mind :p

LOLs who said I wanted to leave to PRC and you forbid? :laugh:

Do you know: many Indonesian chinese are born in Indonesia? even their parents or even great great parents were born in Indonesia? So where they should go home? Indonesia is their home!

That is typical pribumi mindset => that Indonesian chinese always consider PRC as their homeland, that typical mindset that I always face in Indonesia. Wrong and narrowminded mindset.
 
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Of course that is not the reflection of most pribumi, but many.
So my point is: it takes 2 hands to clap. You cant just blame chinese because some of them are exclusive. Pribumi need to take parts too by welcoming Indonesian Chinese.



LOLs who said I wanted to leave to PRC and you forbid? :laugh:

Do you know: many Indonesian chinese are born in Indonesia? even their parents or even great great parents were born in Indonesia? So where they should go home? Indonesia is their home!

That is typical pribumi mindset => that Indonesian chinese always consider PRC as their homeland, that typical mindset that I always face in Indonesia. Wrong and narrowminded mindset.
You should read what @Brainsucker had wrote and try to sipped it in his advice mate
 
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You should read what @Brainsucker had wrote and try to sipped it in his advice mate


Brainsucker advice is not for me. Maybe for you.
I agree with what he said: for Indonesian Chinese => Indonesia is their homeland, without forgetting chinese ancestry.
 
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The sooner people recognize how fragmented Indonesia is, the sooner they realise how important Bhineka Tunggal Ika..

Indonesia is formed by more than 300 etchnicity, that historically have some kind of grudge toward each other. Thus, clash can happen anytime if someones can't carry themselve well in society. Respect difference and boost tolerance, that's the only way we can hold this nation as One.

If we talk about problems, then we see problems everywhere we turn our head... but that's not the point. The point is to keep moving and advancing toward the betterment of this nation and its society.

It's not just Chinese Indonesian that hold grudge, If everyone keep opening up old wound then we are planning our doom!
 
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1. Some pribumi will always see other ethnic group as outsider. Same thing happen in Malaysia. Deep inside them, the country is belong to them and others should **** off.

2. Race card is good tool in political game. Like we previously saw in another thread which already been closed.

3. Religion card....
 
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You should read what @Brainsucker had wrote and try to sipped it in his advice mate

Brainsucker advice is not for me. Maybe for you.
I agree with what he said: for Indonesian Chinese => Indonesia is their homeland, without forgetting chinese ancestry.

Well, nobody wrong here. It just that everyone have their own perspective and suffer because of the difference.
So Initial_D, has a thought about learning Chinese?! :D
 
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Well, nobody wrong here. It just that everyone have their own perspective and suffer because of the difference.
So Initial_D, has a thought about learning Chinese?! :D
I already dating chinese girl, and she can't speak chinese languanges lol......
My father is half padang half sundanese, my mother half arabs half javanese, when i am in padang they called me Dasar jawa...!!
When i am In java they called me, dasar padang!!
When i am in jakarta they called me dasar arab!!
All with a scent of negativity, buy i don't complained....
 
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